With whom? The U.S. Patent Office? The Federal Trade Commission? Vince McMahon?
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Is the NFL "Scripted Entertainment"?
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With whom? The U.S. Patent Office? The Federal Trade Commission? Vince McMahon?
Registered with whom, and what is the option for a sports league which decides it shouldn't be corrupt?
Manipulating any sport isn't illegal, it is just against the code of conduct of the leagues and/or players' unions. On the other hand, manipulating a game of chance, such as a lottery, is illegal in most (possibly all) states.
Maybe we should point out that (for example) there WAS a Grand Jury investigation into the Chicago White Sox in the so-called "Black Sox" scandal in the 20s, almost 100 years ago. There WAS a trial. There were charges filed, and players were banned from the sport. Just because it's called a game doesn't mean there is no legal recourse if someone feels they were wronged by someone. This is not a joke.
The kinds of things being insinuated by the OP are in fact crimes and they could be investigated if anyone other than the OP believed they were true. If the OP has real proof of wrongdoing, perhaps he's willing to back up those charges in court? If not, it's just another conspiracy theory unlike those made by Alex Jones.
The kinds of things being insinuated by the OP are in fact crimes and they could be investigated if anyone other than the OP believed they were true. If the OP has real proof of wrongdoing, perhaps he's willing to back up those charges in court? If not, it's just another conspiracy theory unlike those made by Alex Jones.
You are totally wrong. Just because it may be classified as "entertainment" you cannot legally introduce fraud into the activity. The odds in Las Vegas casino's are with the house. Everybody who gambles realizes that. It is accepted. But if I jerk a slot machine into reducing those odds even further it constitutes fraud (unless disclosed of course).
The NFL is not primarily a gambling enterprise. That is why there are rules about teams disclosing injuries. An effort must be made to make the field as even as possible (no pun intended). Players in every professional sport are prohibited against betting. That is also intended to reduce the likelihood of players "shaving" points or otherwise throwing the game. Read up on the Black Sox or watch the movie "Eight Men Out" and it may become more clear.
Once a sport loses its integrity it will never get it back. The same holds true for businesses large and small and individuals.
Even though not one was convicted. Baseball's first commissioner, Kenesaw Mountain Landis, disregarded the verdict and banned the eight players anyway.
The farce, quite honestly, is your bizarre conspiracy theory based on no substance whatsoever.
If a kicker deliberately misses a kick, has he committed fraud? Can someone prove he missed on purpose? Should it matter? If a ref misses a call, is that fraud or just human error? There's a lot of grey area.
People can't have it both ways. Some fans whine about the Patriots winning too much. They say "they can't be that great, they must be cheating". Bitching about the Referees takes place after every game. Are the games only legitimate if the outcome goes in favour of ones team?
It's very naive to think that the NFL and gambling are not intertwined. Many of these football shows have hosts talking about the point spread, making predictions, and analyzing the games. The NFL has the Raiders going to Las Vegas, so that should be intriguing...
No there isn't. It's about INTENT. There is nothing "grey" about intent. You either did it, or you didn't. Once again, are you just speaking out of your butt, or do you have some factual basis? Because so far, all I see is one big fart.
You clearly don't understand the sport, you don't understand the rules, and you don't understand the law. Which is why we're calling you out on this.
Landis was appointed by the suits of MLB because, as they rightly saw it, the game was becoming besmirched by gamblers and once it lost its integrity it was over with the public. Although he is known primarily for the Black Sox scandal he also removed others from the game (including the Phillies president) and instituted several progressive improvements including associating minor league teams with their major teams so that players could move up.
It would not be an exaggeration to say Landis saved baseball.
Since you ignored my post about Black Sox, here's some more recent history you may remember:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deflategate
So Brady was suspended, the team was fined, and they lost 4 draft picks. There are consequences. By the way, Brady maintains his innocence.
No one's saying the game is completely clean. What we're saying is you're making stuff up. Two different things.
You should also know promoting untrue conspiracy theories can lead to a court trial and ultimately a fine, as Alex Jones discovered.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deflategate
So Brady was suspended, the team was fined, and they lost 4 draft picks. There are consequences. By the way, Brady maintains his innocence.
No one's saying the game is completely clean. What we're saying is you're making stuff up. Two different things.
You should also know promoting untrue conspiracy theories can lead to a court trial and ultimately a fine, as Alex Jones discovered.
The year that Brady served his 4 game suspension is the year New England beat Atlanta in the Super Bowl. They overcame a 28-3 deficit to win. That's a fact. Not made up stuff as you say.
Posing a hypothetical scenario is not a conspiracy theory. It's possible that a kicker could deliberately miss a kick. I don't know if it's ever happened...
Here's the definition: A conspiracy theory is an explanation of an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy by sinister and powerful actors, often political in motivation, when other explanations are more probable.
Yes, the Patriots won. So what? Collapses/comebacks happen.
And you’re doing far more than suggesting it’s possible someone “could” do something. Just as importantly, you have zero evidence it did.
And let’s say for conversation New England is guilty of cheating. That has nothing to do with whether the league as a whole presents scripted, or predetermined, outcomes. It would mean that team at those times broke the rules. Rules designed to ensure a fair outcome.
He banned quite a few players over his tenure (1920-44), although he let Ty Cobb and Tris Speaker walk when they were accused of game-fixing by one of the Tiger pitchers (Cobb was their manager at the time). Both men were allowed to "retire," although Cobb later went to the Philadelphia A's.
As far as developing the farm system goes, Branch Rickey deserves most of the credit for that. Landis attempted to stop it, but failed.
As far as that went, yes, but he also kept the Whites Only policy in place, while denying that such a policy existed. That didn't change until after Landis' death in 1944.
Accused but not convicted. A significant difference.
Several different sources have different accounts of this. I'm no expert. Just passing along what I've read.
Blaming Landis for racial discrimination in baseball is quite a stretch. In the days between his appointment as commissioner and his death racial discrimination was the rule in America and not only in organized sports. WWII changed that with the official end of segregation in the military in 1947 by President Harry Truman and the emergence of Jackie Robinson as an authentic "colored" baseball hero.
That's because those are the rules of overtime for an NFL game: https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-overtime-rules/
Minnesota got the ball first so if they score a touchdown the game is over. If New Orleans had won the toss and they scored a TD first they would have been the winner.
because the Vikes got the ball first. Any game in OT it says that when the first team gets the ball. They said it during the Bills/Texans game that also went to OT. If the Vikes punted the graphic would have said "Saints win with a score". After that it switches to "Next Score wins"
and? Whats your point? So you wanted the graphic to say "Vikings wih a touchdown unless Saints get a safety or a Touchdown on an Interception"?
no it can't. If the Vikes got a FG the Saints would have got the ball and an opportunity to tie it or win. If the Vikes score a TD the game is over. If both teams got a FG on their first possesion then its next score wins. If the Vikes went down on their 2nd OT possession and got a FG they won but "first touchdown wins game" never happened.
Of course not, both teams, their owners and their lawyers were ALL in on the script. Those closed "practices"? Rehearsals! It's all entertainment, dont'cha know?
OK, tbolt, you can have your tinfoil hat back now. I've got to watch that "moon landing" again. Amazing what they did with that Hollywood back lot...
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