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Is the verdict out for 93.7 mike fm

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It’s going on seven months since Star 93.7 flipped to the controversial new “jack” format and the station, other than a little bump up here and there, has shown a significant decline in the arbitron ratings. Although one may think a savings in the dj’s salaries may satisfy the company’s expectations, I would beg to differ.
After analyzing other markets with “jack” formats running 6 months to a year, the only successful stations were in the bottom 5 of the ratings before they switched and shot up in their ratings. (in 3 months) For example most were persons 12+ (in the 0.7-2.0 range) and went to anywhere (in the 2.2-3.5 range). 93.7 mike fm’s goal was to spike up in the first 3 months like these other stations, not to save salaries as most successful business people would agree.

This is indicative of the success of this format in Boston because Star 93.7 had much better numbers (top 3 in their demos) before they flipped. And nearby New York City with a much diverse & larger audience has also shown significant decline p12+ (3.0 – 1.5). And they too, had much better numbers prior to the flip.
If you look at the current summer book 2005, a station like WAAF, WFNX, and maybe WBOS (or MIKE now) with their numbers in the bottom 5 of the ratings could be a possible fit for “jack” in Boston, if there was not one. However, taking a station positioned like Star 93.7 was clearly a mistake, they we’re in the top 3 of their demos and we’re showing momentum.

Whether “jack” is good for radio is a point of debate, however one huge downfall is the loss of localization, the loss of what connects people through relatability. Local radio is hurting, but was always successful with local distinct personalities on-top of the music, so unless there is a hole for a particular music genre (Boston now has a rhythmic hole at this writing) and you want to use distinctively entertaining jocks to make a new radical “local radio” concept bigger than ever, it may be a waste of time to try and compete with I-pods & satellite radio.
I-pods & satellite radio cannot give localization, especially in Boston, where people crave their coffee, their news and there gossip. Local radio can bring localization as they expand their playlists, add podcasts and think of compelling ways to keep locals entertained and listening.
Local radio will survive however, 93.7 mike fm should switch back to Star 93.7 before someone else does.
 
With very few exceptions, it takes time for a radio station to rebuild an audience after a format change. Seldom does a radio station enjoy much higher ratings in the first Arbitron book after a format change (best known example: the original WKTU New York's rise all the way to the very top in 12-plus and young-adult demographics in the Summer 1978 book after a flip to disco in June, just before that book began).

I would say that it's way too soon to write-off WMKK-93.7's "Mike" format as a failure.

I don't think we can really make a verdict on whether "Mike" was or wasn't a good move for Entercom until the Spring of 2005, when the format will have been on the air for a full year.

If the ratings at that time are higher (and especially, significantly higher) than they are now, "Mike" may be in for the long haul. Only if the ratings go down significantly would the format be considered a failure.
 
> With very few exceptions, it takes time for a radio station
> to rebuild an audience after a format change. Seldom does a
> radio station enjoy much higher ratings in the first.

I would disagree. Quite OFTEN the best showing is when they are right out of the gate. (Especially if they have done a good format search and fill a hole that people are searching for already.)

In any event...back to the idea of switching back to Star 93-7...

I think with the money that ENtercom has comitted to this already, especially with the current TV ad buy....I think it shows that they are gonna push this thing...and it will take a LOT more underperformance for them to throw in the towel.

They will also give the new PD a chance to upright the ship.

Lastly, changing back to 93-7, would create TOO much confusion in the publics mind. And a new Star would have to continually overcome that noise/confusion.
 
Don't like mike

I agree Star should never have flipped. They should have tried harder.
If Mike didn't get a big audience in it's first months, it is toast.
Mike is a one trick pony. We heard it, you play everything, next.
Look at the numbers around the country. Most Jack formats are stagnet or declining. There are a few success stories, but not in Boston. Mix just added more dance and got the Star listeners. Rhythmic AC would work here. Wake up BOS, the only time you were number one was when you were "Disco 93". I've been listening lately to BOS and could not stay awake. Give the people what they want! Music with life to it! The 93.7 signal had it's highest rating with Star.
 
Re: Don't like mike

The thing that bothers me about Mike is the one thing that station stands for, and thats playing "everything" I'll turn it on and hear a song that I like, then it will go into another song that is from a completly different era and genre and it just turns me off, so I turn it off. I will say though, I really like Mike's imaging, I like how its fresh/topical and it's entertaining


> I agree Star should never have flipped. They should have
> tried harder.
> If Mike didn't get a big audience in it's first months, it
> is toast.
> Mike is a one trick pony. We heard it, you play everything,
> next.
> Look at the numbers around the country. Most Jack formats
> are stagnet or declining. There are a few success stories,
> but not in Boston. Mix just added more dance and got the
> Star listeners. Rhythmic AC would work here. Wake up BOS,
> the only time you were number one was when you were "Disco
> 93". I've been listening lately to BOS and could not stay
> awake. Give the people what they want! Music with life to
> it! The 93.7 signal had it's highest rating with Star.
>
 
> With very few exceptions, it takes time for a radio station
> to rebuild an audience after a format change. Seldom does a
> radio station enjoy much higher ratings in the first
> Arbitron book after a format change (best known example: the
> original WKTU New York's rise all the way to the very top in
> 12-plus and young-adult demographics in the Summer 1978 book
> after a flip to disco in June, just before that book began).
>
>
> I would say that it's way too soon to write-off WMKK-93.7's
> "Mike" format as a failure.
>
> I don't think we can really make a verdict on whether "Mike"
> was or wasn't a good move for Entercom until the Spring of
> 2005, when the format will have been on the air for a full
> year.
>
> If the ratings at that time are higher (and especially,
> significantly higher) than they are now, "Mike" may be in
> for the long haul. Only if the ratings go down significantly
> would the format be considered a failure.
>

That is becuase you like it as you have posted over and over and over again. Your interpretation of fact is always just your opinion and nothing more.
 
> > With very few exceptions, it takes time for a radio
> station
> > to rebuild an audience after a format change. Seldom does
> a
> > radio station enjoy much higher ratings in the first.
>
> I would disagree. Quite OFTEN the best showing is when they
> are right out of the gate. (Especially if they have done a
> good format search and fill a hole that people are searching
> for already.)
>
> In any event...back to the idea of switching back to Star
> 93-7...
>
> I think with the money that ENtercom has comitted to this
> already, especially with the current TV ad buy....I think it
> shows that they are gonna push this thing...and it will take
> a LOT more underperformance for them to throw in the towel.
>
> They will also give the new PD a chance to upright the ship.
>
>
> Lastly, changing back to 93-7, would create TOO much
> confusion in the publics mind. And a new Star would have
> to continually overcome that noise/confusion.
>

Yep, you're right. Those "Jack" stations that are doing well started doing well immediately. Once the buzz is lost, it's tough to get it to catch on. This format isn't like talk - which does take time to build an audience (like WTKK). But the listening mechanics are different for talk than for music. Especially a "Jack-ish" format like Mike.

Los Angeles and Dallas are favorites for "Jack" boosters to exemplify how "well" the format does. Well, yes and no. Firstly, it won't work everywhere...it depends on what else is available in the market. Secondly, Infinity didn't knock popular formats off the dial in those cities for Jack. KCBS-FM (Arrow 93) was in the ratings cellar (a la FNX). So was the predecessor to Jack in Dallas. So, yes, vast improvements there.

But, Star was the only dance type station around Boston, just as WCBS-FM was New York's oldies legend. And, both were on upswings when the plug was pulled. And, it's downhill from there for both.

Frankly, I was pretty PO'd when they knocked Star off for this crap. Maybe that's why I don't listen. Then again, I have tried to listen to Mike...but I just can't do it for longer than 1 or 2 songs. Despite playing a wide variety of music, it's boring as hell.

The only local buzz i've ever heard about Mike was from ticked off women in my office who HATED that Mike replaced Star. They'll never listen to 93.7 again - they stripped it from their presets in protest.

In my view, this format is going nowhere for Entercom.

Unfortunately, I also doubt that Star will reappear for the reasons listed above..not to mention that it was not as strong a performer as Entercom would like. Then again, they probably would have pissed off fewer people by taking WAAF to Mike - at least based on the ratings from last spring!

Maybe a good, solid CH/Urban format would be the ticket for 93.7. At least there is room there and the demos are right for it too.
 
Not just Mike-FM, Variety Hits in general

While some of the Jack-FM formats are doing okay nationwide, if Boston's version and WCBS-FM in New York are any indication, Variety Hits, "Jack" or whatever has already run it's course.

The format is most successful on stations that were doing poorly to start with, and at stations with signal problems or other maladies that kept them from really competing.

And that brings up one other point. Since "Jack" isn't successful as many thought it would be, one has to wonder if the competition from XM & Sirius is as bad as thought earlier this year. Listeners want to be engaged by local personalities. That's the way radio is supposed to be. While Star 93.7 wasn't as successful as Entercom thought, It certainly was more successful than Mike-FM. Maybe if they try bringing in some top jocks and doing a sort of Oldies run with 80s & 90s CHR music, maybe they could augment or compete with WODS for the demos they want. Seems to me that "Jack", Mike or whatever is pulling mainly from 80s & 90s libraries anyway, with a little current music mixed in.

Also, I disagree with Joseph Gallant's comments that it takes time to build an audience... after 9 months, if you still don't have an audience, its time to move on because if it doesn't work now, it'll NEVER work. I always say give a new format three books. After that, if you don't have a substantial ratings increase, MOVE ON! In this case, like many others, 93.7 Mike-FM has LOST a lot of ground. Entercom needs to cut it's losses and do something else.

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Joseph Gallant: Mike-FM is Toast!

I wrote this in the wrong spot, this is written in response to Joseph Gallant's comments:

> > With very few exceptions, it takes time for a radio
> station
> > to rebuild an audience after a format change. Seldom does
> a
> > radio station enjoy much higher ratings in the first
> > Arbitron book after a format change

Okay, I'll bite. First off, there are many examples, just HERE in the market I'm leaving next week. We've had a couple of stations take right off - most notably, 95.7 when it flipped from Oldies to Gospel two years ago. Number 1 in the first TREND... not just book!

It happens. If the audience likes what they hear they'll stay, if not, they don't bother.

> > I would say that it's way too soon to write-off
> WMKK-93.7's
> > "Mike" format as a failure.
> >
> > I don't think we can really make a verdict on whether
> "Mike"
> > was or wasn't a good move for Entercom until the Spring of
>
> > 2005, when the format will have been on the air for a full
>
> > year.

After all this time, oh yes we can make a verdict! It's a FAILURE. The best programmers wait three books. If there's no substantial increase in ratings (TSL) after 9 months, there's not going to be an increase unless there's a major format tweak. And even then, it's likely that the format just doesn't work no matter what you do. Mike-FM isn't working. Nobody's listening because outside of the music, there's nobody on the air to hold listener's attention. This is just stupid staying with a format just to hold the bottom line down.

> >
> > If the ratings at that time are higher (and especially,
> > significantly higher) than they are now, "Mike" may be in
> > for the long haul. Only if the ratings go down
> significantly
> > would the format be considered a failure.

The ratings HAVE gone down, and they are NOT going to go up further than what Star had, no matter how long they stick with it. Your dreaming if you think otherwise.

Hey, here's a good idea.... Jockless Christmas music, starting November 1. Anyone wanna bet they'd make a whole pile of money doing that? Then they can figure out what new format to put on 93.7 in time for January 1, 2006.
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Agreed, and a suggestion for new format

> ...Quite OFTEN the best showing is when they
> are right out of the gate. (Especially if they have done a
> good format search and fill a hole that people are searching
> for already.)

Total agreement there.

>
> I think with the money that ENtercom has comitted to this
> already, especially with the current TV ad buy....I think it
> shows that they are gonna push this thing...and it will take
> a LOT more underperformance for them to throw in the towel.

Entercom has a habit of keeping a sinking ship - they don't know when to bail. I cite WMBZ Memphis as a prime example.

> They will also give the new PD a chance to upright the ship.

I'm sure you're right about that.

> Lastly, changing back to 93-7, would create TOO much
> confusion in the publics mind. And a new Star would have
> to continually overcome that noise/confusion.

True. Star isn't coming back. Very few stations of any format have ever changed format only to come back intact a few years later... in fact, the ONLY examples I can think of are 1050 CHUM Toronto and WWKB Buffalo, the latter really not completely back since it's half voice-tracked and STILL can't bring back the WKBW calls.

If Entercom were thinking on it's feet, I think the time is finally right to take an FM station Hispanic. 93.7 is in the right location for it. While I didn't think so a few years ago, I do now. What do you guys think?

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Re: Mike

If I had been handed the PD job of a major-market FM station and given free rein to program it, I would actually program a "Jack"-type format.....BUT with live personality announcers 24/7!

Obviously, I wouldn't brand my station "Jack", "Mike", "Ben", etc.

But, I think it would be very compelling and entertaining radio. Combining a large playlist and top-notch personalities would likely make the station a big winner.

And that's what I think is wrong with "Jack"-type formats. Lack of live announcing with imaging sweepers that perhaps have too much attitude.

Had Entercom decided to run "Mike" (WMKK-93.7) with personality announcers (maybe some of the old "Star 93.7" announcers would have remained), I think it would be the hottest station in town right now, and we'd all be posting about how entertaining it is.

Maybe that's what Entercom should do. Add personality announcers to "Mike FM". I think that move alone would solve most of the station's problems.
 
Re: Mike

I also like the idea of DJs but sometimes people do get annoyed with over-
talkative jocks (and endless commercials!). For the record, Mike 93.7 currently
is airing some "vox pops" (voice of the populace, offering their opinions on
the station) as part of their promos/liners, and one person said they liked
the idea of no DJs, 'just the music'.

Unemployed DJs beg to differ. Well, music for those who don't want to go out
and buy an Ipod or satellite radio...

> Had Entercom decided to run "Mike" (WMKK-93.7) with
> personality announcers (maybe some of the old "Star 93.7"
> announcers would have remained), I think it would be the
> hottest station in town right now, and we'd all be posting
> about how entertaining it is.
>
> Maybe that's what Entercom should do. Add personality
> announcers to "Mike FM". I think that move alone would solve
> most of the station's problems.
>
 
Re: 93.7 Mike FM

> Los Angeles and Dallas are favorites for "Jack" boosters to
> exemplify how "well" the format does. Well, yes and no.
> Firstly, it won't work everywhere...it depends on what else
> is available in the market. Secondly, Infinity didn't knock
> popular formats off the dial in those cities for Jack.
> KCBS-FM (Arrow 93) was in the ratings cellar (a la FNX). So
> was the predecessor to Jack in Dallas. So, yes, vast
> improvements there.

Las Vegas is doing well with KKJJ. Again, though, the old 100.5 was KMZQ, the bottom dweller AC.

> The only local buzz i've ever heard about Mike was from
> ticked off women in my office who HATED that Mike replaced
> Star. They'll never listen to 93.7 again - they stripped it
> from their presets in protest.

In addition, though, Star 93.7 was no blockbuster format. It seemed almost as it was going Rock AC for a while back in '01. Yet 93.7 certainly served a niche in the Boston market for a Rhythmic AC, and it was somewhat of a substantial one.

> In my view, this format is going nowhere for Entercom.
>
> Unfortunately, I also doubt that Star will reappear for the
> reasons listed above..not to mention that it was not as
> strong a performer as Entercom would like. Then again, they
> probably would have pissed off fewer people by taking WAAF
> to Mike - at least based on the ratings from last spring!

We'll have to see how a few things pan out, but something has to happen between Boston's rock stations. 107.3's ratings are nothing impressive, but they have signal deficencies that will be mended very soon. In addition, will 107.3 gain 104.1 listeners for morning drive, or will 107.3's listeners flock to Roth on 104.1? Will 107.3 sink further, or will 107.3 fix it's issues if 104.1 or 100.7 pick up FM talk elements?

> Maybe a good, solid CH/Urban format would be the ticket for
> 93.7. At least there is room there and the demos are right
> for it too.

How about combining this with Steve West's idea for a Hispanic FM? Have Entercom, as they clearly aren't running any Spanish-language stations, sell 93.7 to Univision Radio, who could turn it into "93.7 La Kalle". It would steal a good deal of 94.5's Hispanic demos, and could impact Kiss 108 and knock WNNW out of the ratings.
 
Re: 93.7 Mike FM

> We'll have to see how a few things pan out, but something
> has to happen between Boston's rock stations. 107.3's
> ratings are nothing impressive, but they have signal
> deficencies that will be mended very soon.

I'm curious to hear how much of an improvement it actually makes in metro Boston. West Boylston is still not exactly in town, but apparently it's the closest they can get.

Most of the problem with WAAF's current signal in Boston isn't necessarily that it's really all that weak in itself, but is because it can't cut through all the off-channel interference and intermodulation kicked up by all the powerful FM's on the Pru.

I'd think that if all the Pru stations suddenly went off the air, WAAF would suddenly come in quite well in Boston on any half-decent radio. I wonder if it will pierce all the Pru interference significantly better from West Boylston than from Paxton?
 
Re: Not just Mike-FM, Variety Hits in general

> While some of the Jack-FM formats are doing okay nationwide,
> if Boston's version and WCBS-FM in New York are any
> indication, Variety Hits, "Jack" or whatever has already run
> it's course.

Hmm, not sure about Variety Hits running its course. Some of the VH stations that are doing very well are in their "honeymoon" period. It will be interesting to see how these stations are doing in another year.

The problem with WCBS FM is that it REPLACED a legendary station. There is also the possibility that Jack just doesn't work in NYC. Some think it is too "white" for New York.
>
> The format is most successful on stations that were doing
> poorly to start with, and at stations with signal problems
> or other maladies that kept them from really competing.

Not all stations. Gold 104.5 WGLD in Indianapolis was in the Top 5 when they switched to Jack.
>
> And that brings up one other point. Since "Jack" isn't
> successful as many thought it would be, one has to wonder if
> the competition from XM & Sirius is as bad as thought
> earlier this year. Listeners want to be engaged by local
> personalities. That's the way radio is supposed to be.
> While Star 93.7 wasn't as successful as Entercom thought, It
> certainly was more successful than Mike-FM. Maybe if they
> try bringing in some top jocks and doing a sort of Oldies
> run with 80s & 90s CHR music, maybe they could augment or
> compete with WODS for the demos they want. Seems to me that
> "Jack", Mike or whatever is pulling mainly from 80s & 90s
> libraries anyway, with a little current music mixed in.
>
> Also, I disagree with Joseph Gallant's comments that it
> takes time to build an audience... after 9 months, if you
> still don't have an audience, its time to move on because if
> it doesn't work now, it'll NEVER work. I always say give a
> new format three books. After that, if you don't have a
> substantial ratings increase, MOVE ON! In this case, like
> many others, 93.7 Mike-FM has LOST a lot of ground.
> Entercom needs to cut it's losses and do something else.

I think I would have to agree with Joseph. It takes time for radio stations to build an audience and build up a reputation. In some markets, some formats may spike off and start doing great right away, but some stations may need more time than others. Although I am surprised Mike isn't doing so well, after 7 months. Have they been advertising the station and trying to get more listeners?
>
> The JACK format is a dismal failure most everywhere.

Jack has only been around for a few months in some markets, lets not say it is a failure just yet.
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V.H. "a dismal failure?" R U nuts?

And I always thought the Boston board had a degree of intellect- I was wrong.

"The Jack format is a dismal failure almost everywhere" and "isn't as successful as many thought it would be"? Did that storm last weekend blow some of you guys' brian cells away?

The only, ONLY real stiffs thus far in the Jack arena are NY, Denver and SF.
Chicago's numbers are a little higher than as Oldies but if you're going to make me go through the list of stunning Variety Hits successes again, here we go:

LA- #1 25-54
Phoenix- #3 25-54
Nashville- #1 25-54
St Louis- #1 25-54
Indy- #4 25-54 (has been as high as #2)
Seattle- #4 25-54
Baltimore- #7 25-54
Minneapolis- #6 25-54
Austin- #2 25-54
Dallas- #7 25-54
Philadelphia- #5 25-54
Portland- #2 25-54
Rochester- #7 25-54

There are others off to great starts:
Las Vegas
Buffalo
Louisville
Salt Lake City
Des Moines
Jackson MS


So-- would you like to re-consider your statement? What criteria are you using to come to such a conclusion?


>
> The JACK format is a dismal failure most everywhere. Too
> bad so many talented jocks and good stations had to bite the
> dust to make room for it in the first place.
>
 
where r u getting your info?

I'll ask again- where are you getting your info about Variety Hits being a failure as a format?

I'll also challenge your "nine months" assertion. "The best programmers wait three months" would have hundreds of stations around the country changing format EVERY MONTH. The numbers just do not back up your claim.

Finally, it's pretty obvious you have a tremendous bias against the Jack-type formats. You give it up in statements like "stupid format just to hold the costs down". That's the thinking of a failed jock who thinks Jack being jockless so far spells the end for DJs.

>
> After all this time, oh yes we can make a verdict! It's a
> FAILURE. The best programmers wait three books. If there's
> no substantial increase in ratings (TSL) after 9 months,
> there's not going to be an increase unless there's a major
> format tweak. And even then, it's likely that the format
> just doesn't work no matter what you do. Mike-FM isn't
> working. Nobody's listening because outside of the music,
> there's nobody on the air to hold listener's attention.
> This is just stupid staying with a format just to hold the
> bottom line down.
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V.H. & jocks

Most people on these boards who are so vocal against Jack are indeed unemployed or frustrated DJs. You have to take their statements with a grain of salt. I contend if most of them used the time the put into sitting on these boards bashing the hottest new format in the country into getting better at what they do and more valuable to those for whom they work, they'd be a little farther along in their careers.


>
> Unemployed DJs beg to differ. Well, music for those who
> don't want to go out
> and buy an Ipod or satellite radio...
>
> > Had Entercom decided to run "Mike" (WMKK-93.7) with
> > personality announcers (maybe some of the old "Star 93.7"
> > announcers would have remained), I think it would be the
> > hottest station in town right now, and we'd all be posting
>
> > about how entertaining it is.
> >
> > Maybe that's what Entercom should do. Add personality
> > announcers to "Mike FM". I think that move alone would
> solve
> > most of the station's problems.
> >
>
 
mike

In fact, MOST stations who've moved to Variety Hits during the past 6 months or so are seeing very noticable INCREASES in their ratings, earlier than expected. Only who we can really call disappoinments are in New York and San Francisco.

So, what's your information source to claim "most Jack formats are stagnant(sp) or declining"?




> Look at the numbers around the country. Most Jack formats
> are stagnet or declining. There are a few success stories.
 
Re: Not just Mike-FM, Variety Hits in general

Oh geez Steve, you've stirred the 2 Mike/Jack/Bob.... lovers up. The fact is, like you said, that Mike is not doing well here in Boston.
 
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