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Is there some technical reason I can't get Pulse 87 on table radio?

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DesiArnez6

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All of my radios that have the old fashioned "rotary?" dial (non digital), get Pulse 87 crystal clear.

AND my new Sony Walkman with digital tuning also gets Pulse 87 perfectly.

So why does my Sony HD Tabletop Radio get nearly every station from Connecticut to New Jersey (with the included antenna), better than any other radio in the house..... Yet... It doesnt get Pulse 87??? When I tune to 87.7, IT is very distorted, 87.8 is even worse. Is it that the dial is too specific or something?

It is a shame, because Pulse 87 is one of my favorite stations, but I hardly listen because my HD radio is the main radio I listen to all day.

So why cant I get it on this particular radio?
 
don't feel bad - i think most "table" kinda radios (including mine) don't get Pulse 87 - but yet my little Sansa MP3 player gets the darned thing in - even on the subway in Brooklyn!!
 
DesiArnez6 said:
All of my radios that have the old fashioned "rotary?" dial (non digital), get Pulse 87 crystal clear.

AND my new Sony Walkman with digital tuning also gets Pulse 87 perfectly.

So why does my Sony HD Tabletop Radio get nearly every station from Connecticut to New Jersey (with the included antenna), better than any other radio in the house..... Yet... It doesnt get Pulse 87??? When I tune to 87.7, IT is very distorted, 87.8 is even worse. Is it that the dial is too specific or something?

It is a shame, because Pulse 87 is one of my favorite stations, but I hardly listen because my HD radio is the main radio I listen to all day.

So why cant I get it on this particular radio?
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I have the same exact issue. I get it on my walkman, Tivoli radio and a 20 year old Sony casette player without any issue at all. Yet on my Sony HD radio it is completely distorted.
I am assuming it has something to do with the fact that it is and LP station but I'm technologically challenged so that is only a guess. ???
 
Most likely it is because it does not broadcast exactly on 87.7, but rather 87.76 (as it is still technically TV audio, after all).

Most receivers seem to be able to overcome that and "lock in" to the frequency anyway. However, it sounds like your receiver is extremely selective and narrowly tunes in to each frequency, thus not pulling in clear audio from 87.76 on 87.7 ...this selectivity, ironically, is probably the same reason that you can clearly get stations from the suburbs.
 
neo11 said:
Most likely it is because it does not broadcast exactly on 87.7, but rather 87.76 (as it is still technically TV audio, after all).

Most receivers seem to be able to overcome that and "lock in" to the frequency anyway. However, it sounds like your receiver is extremely selective and narrowly tunes in to each frequency, thus not pulling in clear audio from 87.76 on 87.7 ...this selectivity, ironically, is probably the same reason that you can clearly get stations from the suburbs.
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That actually makes perfect sense as to why it's distored. While were on the topic of 87.7...do you think once all tv stations become digital it would be possible for Mega Media to apply for a license to broadcast on 87.7 as an actual FM station rather than an LP station?
 
Jeffrey said:
That actually makes perfect sense as to why it's distored. While were on the topic of 87.7...do you think once all tv stations become digital it would be possible for Mega Media to apply for a license to broadcast on 87.7 as an actual FM station rather than an LP station?
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Short answer: No.

Longer answer: Not without a massive change in the FM allocation rules. While there have been some proposals to open the 76-88 MHz spectrum now used by channels 5 and 6 for some sort of FM broadcast use, most of those proposals would restrict that use in one way or another, either by making all of those new stations LPFMs, or limiting applications (initally, anyway) to existing AM stations seeking to improve their signals.

It's highly, highly unlikely that the FCC would consider any new scheme for 87.7 that would open the channel for a signal as powerful as the audio of WNYZ-LP is. While we don't know the specifics, it's reasonable to guess that WNYZ-LP puts out the equivalent of a class B1 (25 kW ERP/100 m HAAT) signal. That's more than the current FM spacing rules would allow so close to stations on 88.1 and 88.3.

And even in the very remote possibility that the FCC would allow such an operation, it would have to be applied for as a completely new license. I can't see any way that the current channel 6 licensee would get any sort of priority on applying for the channel. If it's commercial, Federal law mandates that it would go to auction, and the opening bid on a signal like that in NYC would probably be in the million-dollar range. Could Mega come up with that kind of money?
 
Scott's reply is comprehensive.

The only other thing I'd add, is the possibility Mega actually flips WNYZ to digital TV on channel 6. They hold a permit to do so. Bizarre claims from Albany aside, if they flip WNYZ to digital, neither Mega nor anyone else will be able to continue to run an analog FM (or IBOC digital..) radio station on 87.7.
 
Get yourself some Bunny Ears, just in time for Easter ! ;D Thats the only way I can hear them on a tabletop, Take that Armani Exchange t- shirt and use the wire hanger from it.
 
Don't forget that the deviation for TV audio is 15 kHz vs. 75 for FM audio. Youshould really have to urn the radio up to hear WNYZ.
 
DG02816 said:
Don't forget that the deviation for TV audio is 15 kHz vs. 75 for FM audio. Youshould really have to urn the radio up to hear WNYZ.
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Except that Pulse 87 broadcasts in FM modulation, so there's no need to turn up the radio at all.
 
Finally figure out how to get pulse 87 !!

What I finally had to do to get Pulse 87 on my Sony XDR-S3HD Radio (HD Tabletop Radio):

It comes with a small cord to connect anything into the "Line In" hole, sooo.

I connected my other Very small "Kaito KA1102" Radio, which digitally tunes to exactly 87.75 FM, and receives perfectly, then conected the Kaito Radio's "Line Out" to the Sony Radio's "Line In" with Sony's Included cord, then on the Sony Radio Tabletop, press the "Radio/Line In" button on top to switch between Pulse 87 (Line IN), and the FM or AM dial. :)

I HAD to get my Pulse station :)
 
DG02816 said:
Don't forget that the deviation for TV audio is 15 kHz vs. 75 for FM audio. Youshould really have to urn the radio up to hear WNYZ.
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deviation is the shift away from a set carrier in either direction (up or down). the max deviation for TV audio is actually 25khz, and the max allowed for FM (88-108) is +/- 75khz. I think what you are referring to is the stereo system used for broadcasting TV audio, which differs from FM Broadcast stations audio. WNYZ-LP is broadcasting, as allowed by the FCC regulations, to broadcast using the stereo system used for FM radio (19khz pilot) as opposed to the more conventional TV standard of MTS audio.
 
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