everybody remembers WNEW well if you punch in www.1027wnew.com see for yourself waht comes up ???
oh and hold your pointer over the logo and see wat is says
oh and hold your pointer over the logo and see wat is says
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Looks like a joke:
Registrant:
Joe Covais [email protected] +1.2120000000
N/A
1 Roach Motel
New York,NY,US 10001
Domain Name:1027wnew.com
Record last updated at 2008-01-05 14:56:13
Record created on 2007/6/13
Record expired on 2011/6/13
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Registrant:
Joe Covais [email protected] +1.2120000000
N/A
1 Roach Motel
New York,NY,US 10001
Domain Name:1027wnew.com
Record last updated at 2008-01-05 14:56:13
Record created on 2007/6/13
Record expired on 2011/6/13
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1 Roach Motel
\r
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NY,
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zipcode:10001
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cawasinnj said:
As I see it, a DEFUNCT radio station's web domain CAN be taken by anybody....
There is no WNEW on 102.7 in New York anymore. There IS a WNEW in Jupiter, FL, but it's known as B-106.3:
http://www.b1063fm.com/
Second, it's likely he's making a WNEW New York tribute site, more power to him. The WNEW in New York (which people there are familiar with) and the WNEW in Jupiter (which probably no average listener knows the legal ID of it there), aside from the same ownership aren't even close. And since it's internet, it's not going to be confused with terrestrial radio....
Some have apparently been under a rock for over a year.
AM 930, The Cockroach, is the Internet's Talk Radio Superstation for at least that long ... and longer. Further, the owner/operator is very involved in webcaster rights, boards, forums and more ... a bright guy.
Enough to do this, for one thing.
Give him a listen Thursdays-Sundays. Original programming, syndicated programming and one of the best web stations going anywhere.
Clever concept ... and he pays a lot of devotion and energy to it.
AM 930, The Cockroach, is the Internet's Talk Radio Superstation for at least that long ... and longer. Further, the owner/operator is very involved in webcaster rights, boards, forums and more ... a bright guy.
Enough to do this, for one thing.
Give him a listen Thursdays-Sundays. Original programming, syndicated programming and one of the best web stations going anywhere.
Clever concept ... and he pays a lot of devotion and energy to it.
Bongwater said:
Assuming the domain registration has expired, yes. That's not the point. There are a number of regulations that domain registrations have to follow, most of which this idiot didn't bother to do. Then there are possible copyright restrictions, but I'll leave that to CBS to figure out.
If a registration has lapsed, just like call letters being given up, they become, in most cases, the property of someone else who so chooses them.
Copyright regulations? Like what? 1027wnew is not a copyright in the State of New York. It is not "owned" by CBS. You can copyright a "name" but not a frequency which is, as you know, in reality -- 102 POINT 7. If CBS didn't reserve the URL, they gave it up ... and the call letters are now attached or "parked" to a Florida station owned by CBS. That part is perfectly legal. If they had given them up ... then anyone could be "WNEW."
Wishful thinking on your part.
Copyright regulations? Like what? 1027wnew is not a copyright in the State of New York. It is not "owned" by CBS. You can copyright a "name" but not a frequency which is, as you know, in reality -- 102 POINT 7. If CBS didn't reserve the URL, they gave it up ... and the call letters are now attached or "parked" to a Florida station owned by CBS. That part is perfectly legal. If they had given them up ... then anyone could be "WNEW."
Wishful thinking on your part.
"If a registration has lapsed, just like call letters being given up, they become, in most cases, the property of someone else who so chooses them."
Correct, but companies can pay you for the name and in some cases if the name violates trademarks, then can sue you for it.
Copyright regulations? Like what? 1027wnew is not a copyright in the State of New York. It is not "owned" by CBS.
No but the term WNEW is owned by CBS.
" You can copyright a "name" but not a frequency which is, as you know, in reality -- 102 POINT 7. "
Wrong both times. You can not copyright a name, you can trademark a name. You can service mark (trademark) a frequency such as "Fresh 102.7" which is a service mark and could not be used by anyone else. I'll give you half a point, you would not get approval for a frequency number alone but ad a word or phrase such as "bright" to a frequency and you can own it.
If they had given them up ... then anyone could be "WNEW.
Wrong again. I have to take back that half point. CBS owns the trademark WNEW and WNEW-FM is also owned by someone else so no one could own it as of now.
Word Mark WNEW
Goods and Services IC 038. US 100 101 104. G & S: radio broadcasting services and audio streaming services on the internet
Standard Characters Claimed
Mark Drawing Code (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
Serial Number 77301541
Filing Date October 11, 2007
Current Filing Basis 1B
Original Filing Basis 1B
Published for Opposition March 11, 2008
Owner (APPLICANT) CBS Radio Inc. CORPORATION DELAWARE 1515 Broadway New York NEW YORK 10036
Attorney of Record Rebecca Borden
Prior Registrations 1421455
Type of Mark SERVICE MARK
Word Mark WNEW-FM
Goods and Services IC 038. US 104. G & S: RADIO BROADCAST COMMUNICATIONS SERVICE. FIRST USE: 19570000. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19570000
Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING
Serial Number 73581513
Filing Date February 6, 1986
Current Filing Basis 1A
Original Filing Basis 1A
Published for Opposition September 23, 1986
Registration Number 1421455
Registration Date December 16, 1986
Owner (REGISTRANT) METROMEDIA BROADCASTING CORPORATION CORPORATION DELAWARE 5151 WISCONSIN AVENUE, N.W. WASHINGTON D.C. 20016
(LAST LISTED OWNER) CBS RADIO INC. CORPORATION DELAWARE 1515 BROADWAY NEW YORK NEW YORK 10036
Assignment Recorded ASSIGNMENT RECORDED
Attorney of Record DANIEL P. CILLO
Wishful thinking on your part.
Correct, but companies can pay you for the name and in some cases if the name violates trademarks, then can sue you for it.
Copyright regulations? Like what? 1027wnew is not a copyright in the State of New York. It is not "owned" by CBS.
No but the term WNEW is owned by CBS.
" You can copyright a "name" but not a frequency which is, as you know, in reality -- 102 POINT 7. "
Wrong both times. You can not copyright a name, you can trademark a name. You can service mark (trademark) a frequency such as "Fresh 102.7" which is a service mark and could not be used by anyone else. I'll give you half a point, you would not get approval for a frequency number alone but ad a word or phrase such as "bright" to a frequency and you can own it.
If they had given them up ... then anyone could be "WNEW.
Wrong again. I have to take back that half point. CBS owns the trademark WNEW and WNEW-FM is also owned by someone else so no one could own it as of now.
Word Mark WNEW
Goods and Services IC 038. US 100 101 104. G & S: radio broadcasting services and audio streaming services on the internet
Standard Characters Claimed
Mark Drawing Code (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
Serial Number 77301541
Filing Date October 11, 2007
Current Filing Basis 1B
Original Filing Basis 1B
Published for Opposition March 11, 2008
Owner (APPLICANT) CBS Radio Inc. CORPORATION DELAWARE 1515 Broadway New York NEW YORK 10036
Attorney of Record Rebecca Borden
Prior Registrations 1421455
Type of Mark SERVICE MARK
Word Mark WNEW-FM
Goods and Services IC 038. US 104. G & S: RADIO BROADCAST COMMUNICATIONS SERVICE. FIRST USE: 19570000. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19570000
Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING
Serial Number 73581513
Filing Date February 6, 1986
Current Filing Basis 1A
Original Filing Basis 1A
Published for Opposition September 23, 1986
Registration Number 1421455
Registration Date December 16, 1986
Owner (REGISTRANT) METROMEDIA BROADCASTING CORPORATION CORPORATION DELAWARE 5151 WISCONSIN AVENUE, N.W. WASHINGTON D.C. 20016
(LAST LISTED OWNER) CBS RADIO INC. CORPORATION DELAWARE 1515 BROADWAY NEW YORK NEW YORK 10036
Assignment Recorded ASSIGNMENT RECORDED
Attorney of Record DANIEL P. CILLO
Wishful thinking on your part.
And bonus note:
CBS could sue for that domain and easily win as it is part of a brand they own and does not differentiate enough. Since they don't have a current station on that frequency, it's probably not such an issue, but if I sent off an email tomorrow to a lawyer at CBS, that domain name would be down in about 24 hours. If you use a brand name that is too close to a known entity such as windowssystemoptimizer.com, you can bet if they find out, they will sue you for it. In the case of windowssystemoptimizer.com, Microsoft sued and took the domain from the guy that owned it. Now if he had microsoftsucks.com, they would not be able to say he was stealing.
CBS could sue for that domain and easily win as it is part of a brand they own and does not differentiate enough. Since they don't have a current station on that frequency, it's probably not such an issue, but if I sent off an email tomorrow to a lawyer at CBS, that domain name would be down in about 24 hours. If you use a brand name that is too close to a known entity such as windowssystemoptimizer.com, you can bet if they find out, they will sue you for it. In the case of windowssystemoptimizer.com, Microsoft sued and took the domain from the guy that owned it. Now if he had microsoftsucks.com, they would not be able to say he was stealing.
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Walter Graff said:
In most cases the logo, name trademark, etc. are part of the intellectual property usually included in a sale.
Call letters are not "owned" by any entity. But the logo incorporating them of any phrase like "Mix 105" or "Fresh 102.7"
or even "Z100" can be service marked.
CBS does not own the call letters. They simply license them from the Federal government.
Any such trademark would not be enforceable against a party to which the FCC assigns the WNEW call letters.
For example, if CBS gave up the calls in Florida and a Syracuse Clear Channel station picked up the WNEW calls,
CBS could not sue them (whether they still had a trademark in place) as long as the logo design or similar tangible
property wasn't nicked.
Absolutely correct.
Not true. CBS would not be able to take action against a station using the WNEW calls if they were indeed assigned by the FCC. WPLJ had to surrender all rights to those letters when they switched to WWPR in the late 80's. Fortunately ABC
was able to work a deal with the new licensee to give them up so that they could get them back.
Also its interesting to note that CBS does own the WNEW mark specifically for "audio streaming services on the internet"
so it could take an action against anyone using the calls for those purposes. But if the guy wanted to open the WNEW newspaper stand.....he'd be free to do so.
"In most cases the logo, name trademark, etc. are part of the intellectual property usually included in a sale.
Call letters are not "owned" by any entity. But the logo incorporating them of any phrase like "Mix 105" or "Fresh 102.7"
or even "Z100" can be service marked."
As I stated. I am not referring to FCC call letters but to trademarks on names using call letters. You could not use the term fresh 102.7 because it is trade marked by another company.
"Any such trademark would not be enforceable against a party to which the FCC assigns the WNEW call letters."
CBS has an active trademark on the term WNEW. THat does not mean teh FCC can not give it to another station, just that they own the trademark and would transfer the trademark if anotehr company got the letters.
"CBS would not be able to take action against a station using the WNEW calls if they were indeed assigned by the FCC. "
I should have made myself clear, CBS owns the trademark of WNEW. If another station got the call sign CBS would work a deal to transfer teh phrase WNEW.
"But if the guy wanted to open the WNEW newspaper stand.....he'd be free to do so."
As long as the trademark name used is not looked at as a violation of what the trademark owners represents that trademark for.
And the term WNEW is owned by CBS. And for good reason:
WNEW 292 C3 FM 106.3 MHz LIC JUPITER FL US BLH-20030605AAB - 24143 19. kW 114. m CBS RADIO STATIONS INC.
WNEW 292 C3 FS 106.3 MHz LIC JUPITER FL US BXMLH-20040430ABA - 24143 6. kW 94. m CBS RADIO STATIONS INC.
Here are the two active service marks for WNEW and WNEW-FM
Word Mark WNEW
Goods and Services IC 038. US 100 101 104. G & S: radio broadcasting services and audio streaming services on the internet
Standard Characters Claimed
Mark Drawing Code (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
Serial Number 77301541
Filing Date October 11, 2007
Current Filing Basis 1B
Original Filing Basis 1B
Published for Opposition March 11, 2008
Owner (APPLICANT) CBS Radio Inc. CORPORATION DELAWARE 1515 Broadway New York NEW YORK 10036
Attorney of Record Rebecca Borden
Prior Registrations 1421455
Type of Mark SERVICE MARK
Word Mark WNEW-FM
Goods and Services IC 038. US 104. G & S: RADIO BROADCAST COMMUNICATIONS SERVICE. FIRST USE: 19570000. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19570000
Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING
Serial Number 73581513
Filing Date February 6, 1986
Current Filing Basis 1A
Original Filing Basis 1A
Published for Opposition September 23, 1986
Registration Number 1421455
Registration Date December 16, 1986
Owner (REGISTRANT) METROMEDIA BROADCASTING CORPORATION CORPORATION DELAWARE 5151 WISCONSIN AVENUE, N.W. WASHINGTON D.C. 20016
(LAST LISTED OWNER) CBS RADIO INC. CORPORATION DELAWARE 1515 BROADWAY NEW YORK NEW YORK 10036
Assignment Recorded ASSIGNMENT RECORDED
Attorney of Record DANIEL P. CILLO
Call letters are not "owned" by any entity. But the logo incorporating them of any phrase like "Mix 105" or "Fresh 102.7"
or even "Z100" can be service marked."
As I stated. I am not referring to FCC call letters but to trademarks on names using call letters. You could not use the term fresh 102.7 because it is trade marked by another company.
"Any such trademark would not be enforceable against a party to which the FCC assigns the WNEW call letters."
CBS has an active trademark on the term WNEW. THat does not mean teh FCC can not give it to another station, just that they own the trademark and would transfer the trademark if anotehr company got the letters.
"CBS would not be able to take action against a station using the WNEW calls if they were indeed assigned by the FCC. "
I should have made myself clear, CBS owns the trademark of WNEW. If another station got the call sign CBS would work a deal to transfer teh phrase WNEW.
"But if the guy wanted to open the WNEW newspaper stand.....he'd be free to do so."
As long as the trademark name used is not looked at as a violation of what the trademark owners represents that trademark for.
And the term WNEW is owned by CBS. And for good reason:
WNEW 292 C3 FM 106.3 MHz LIC JUPITER FL US BLH-20030605AAB - 24143 19. kW 114. m CBS RADIO STATIONS INC.
WNEW 292 C3 FS 106.3 MHz LIC JUPITER FL US BXMLH-20040430ABA - 24143 6. kW 94. m CBS RADIO STATIONS INC.
Here are the two active service marks for WNEW and WNEW-FM
Word Mark WNEW
Goods and Services IC 038. US 100 101 104. G & S: radio broadcasting services and audio streaming services on the internet
Standard Characters Claimed
Mark Drawing Code (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
Serial Number 77301541
Filing Date October 11, 2007
Current Filing Basis 1B
Original Filing Basis 1B
Published for Opposition March 11, 2008
Owner (APPLICANT) CBS Radio Inc. CORPORATION DELAWARE 1515 Broadway New York NEW YORK 10036
Attorney of Record Rebecca Borden
Prior Registrations 1421455
Type of Mark SERVICE MARK
Word Mark WNEW-FM
Goods and Services IC 038. US 104. G & S: RADIO BROADCAST COMMUNICATIONS SERVICE. FIRST USE: 19570000. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19570000
Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING
Serial Number 73581513
Filing Date February 6, 1986
Current Filing Basis 1A
Original Filing Basis 1A
Published for Opposition September 23, 1986
Registration Number 1421455
Registration Date December 16, 1986
Owner (REGISTRANT) METROMEDIA BROADCASTING CORPORATION CORPORATION DELAWARE 5151 WISCONSIN AVENUE, N.W. WASHINGTON D.C. 20016
(LAST LISTED OWNER) CBS RADIO INC. CORPORATION DELAWARE 1515 BROADWAY NEW YORK NEW YORK 10036
Assignment Recorded ASSIGNMENT RECORDED
Attorney of Record DANIEL P. CILLO
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Hey, I think I just found another one! :
WHOIS information for: bluesky-web.com:
[whois.tucows.com]
Registrant:
BlueSky Marketing Group, LLC
444 E. 82 Street
New York, NY 10028
US
Domain name: BLUESKY-WEB.COM
Administrative Contact:
Graff, Walter [email protected]
444 E. 82 Street
New York, NY 10028
US
Technical Contact:
Manager, Domains [email protected]
5255 Yonge St
800
Toronto, ON M2N 6P4
CA
+1.4166612100 Fax: +1.4166610700
Registration Service Provider:
Netfirms, Inc., [email protected]
+1.4166612100
This company may be contacted for domain login/passwords,
DNS/Nameserver changes, and general domain support questions.
Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
Record last updated on 09-Sep-2007.
Record expires on 10-Sep-2008.
Record created on 10-Sep-2003.
Registrar Domain Name Help Center:
http://domainhelp.tucows.com
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.NETFIRMS.COM
NS2.NETFIRMS.COM
WHOIS information for: bluesky-web.com:
[whois.tucows.com]
Registrant:
BlueSky Marketing Group, LLC
444 E. 82 Street
New York, NY 10028
US
Domain name: BLUESKY-WEB.COM
Administrative Contact:
Graff, Walter [email protected]
444 E. 82 Street
New York, NY 10028
US
Technical Contact:
Manager, Domains [email protected]
5255 Yonge St
800
Toronto, ON M2N 6P4
CA
+1.4166612100 Fax: +1.4166610700
Registration Service Provider:
Netfirms, Inc., [email protected]
+1.4166612100
This company may be contacted for domain login/passwords,
DNS/Nameserver changes, and general domain support questions.
Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
Record last updated on 09-Sep-2007.
Record expires on 10-Sep-2008.
Record created on 10-Sep-2003.
Registrar Domain Name Help Center:
http://domainhelp.tucows.com
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.NETFIRMS.COM
NS2.NETFIRMS.COM
I don't get the joke? That's my website registration, but what's the point?
Walt-
Without trying to inflame the issue here, as one who has registered dozens of domain names, CBS does "not" own neither the call letters or the frequency "title" 1027. First, as you know, 1027 is not a "frequency" in a domain name. As a result, as a "single word entity" as URL names are, it could, in fact be WNEWishesyouluck.com or W-New1027 or any other type "wording" as CBS does not own the domain name now.
As correctly pointed out, the call letters WNEW-FM and WNEW are "word marked" by CBS, meaning that a "wnew.com, org, or .net" would be met with some difficulties by domain seekers, as the term, WNEW, as it applies to an entity in Florida, is already "word marked."
To further prove the point, if you had checked with a simple search, you have found pages of "wnewxxxxx" website, including this one: http://www.wnewsj.com/ -- a newspaper in Ohio.
A "word mark" may be granted as that ... a single word, title or phrase ... but only that, not including other words unless so registered that way, which the example for the web site wasn't.
And, yes, he can sell the name to CBS if they wanted to negotiate for it.
WNEW1027fm.com is owned by the guy free and clear.
Without trying to inflame the issue here, as one who has registered dozens of domain names, CBS does "not" own neither the call letters or the frequency "title" 1027. First, as you know, 1027 is not a "frequency" in a domain name. As a result, as a "single word entity" as URL names are, it could, in fact be WNEWishesyouluck.com or W-New1027 or any other type "wording" as CBS does not own the domain name now.
As correctly pointed out, the call letters WNEW-FM and WNEW are "word marked" by CBS, meaning that a "wnew.com, org, or .net" would be met with some difficulties by domain seekers, as the term, WNEW, as it applies to an entity in Florida, is already "word marked."
To further prove the point, if you had checked with a simple search, you have found pages of "wnewxxxxx" website, including this one: http://www.wnewsj.com/ -- a newspaper in Ohio.
A "word mark" may be granted as that ... a single word, title or phrase ... but only that, not including other words unless so registered that way, which the example for the web site wasn't.
And, yes, he can sell the name to CBS if they wanted to negotiate for it.
WNEW1027fm.com is owned by the guy free and clear.
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