Is this legal?

[butlerguy03]

ban translators! then problem solved

Amen! (in a sorta sarcastic way)

Translators were a bad idea from the beginning. Everything just brings us to the point of why radio is struggling so much. Too many stations on in each market! Does Bloomington really need that many stations? Would 2 stations (sans IU) do the job just as well, especially if the FCC increased localism rules? I believe so. WTTS suddenly wouldn't be an Indy station, and would become what it really is - a south central Indiana station.

We need to do something to fix radio, and bringing back localism and eliminating out-of-town network translators would be a start. How easy do you think it will be to basically tell the students in my radio classes that they should look elsewhere because there are no jobs in radio anymore? The problems have trickled down to the point where high school stations will start getting budget cuts because people see the writing on the wall.

 

[hipporadio]

In my hometown of Connersville, Indy’s 104.5 *was* a signal that was dependable – NOW IT’S GONE—courtesy of Mr. Hensley’s “religious network” that has nearly-the-same infused RF audio from neighboring WIFE-AM than what is delivered from his basement studio in Greenfield. This is NO practical service to Connersville... I doubt as I type this post that you could count his total listeners on the five fingers of your right hand, yet 104.5 from Indy is no-longer a prospect here. Furthermore, he has A SECOND “translator” on 107.1 – which is completely-divorced from his OTA programming... The FCC has fallen dreadfully short of its obligation to manage spectrum - especially with regards to “translators”! Since these are *useless* and un-listen-to nuisances – their “authorizations” should be CANCELLED on a global scale. We’d be better-off putting established and needy local AM stations on these frequencies!

 

[radioho]

How easy do you think it will be to basically tell the students in my radio classes that they should look elsewhere because there are no jobs in radio anymore?

Is it really in your students' best interest to steer them toward an industry that traditionally offers low pay, poor working conditions (irate, hotlining nutcase owners), little advancement opportunities, and a life of complaining about said owners? Better teach them how to sell advertising! This is not sarcastic. There's NO WAY I'd steer a child of mine to this industry!

 

[AndTheLambGoesBAA]

Is it really in your students' best interest to steer them toward an industry that traditionally offers low pay, poor working conditions (irate, hotlining nutcase owners), little advancement opportunities, and a life of complaining about said owners?

Bitter

Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English biter; akin to Old High German bittar bitter, Old English bītan to bite — more at bite
Date: before 12th century

1. having a harsh, disagreeably acrid taste, like that of aspirin, quinine, wormwood, or aloes.
2. producing one of the four basic taste sensations; not sour, sweet, or salt.
3. hard to bear; grievous; distressful: a bitter sorrow.
4. causing pain; piercing; stinging: a bitter chill.
5. characterized by intense antagonism or hostility: bitter hatred.
6. hard to admit or accept: a bitter lesson.
7. radioho.

 

[radioho]

Is it really in your students' best interest to steer them toward an industry that traditionally offers low pay, poor working conditions (irate, hotlining nutcase owners), little advancement opportunities, and a life of complaining about said owners?

Bitter

Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English biter; akin to Old High German bittar bitter, Old English bītan to bite — more at bite
Date: before 12th century

1. having a harsh, disagreeably acrid taste, like that of aspirin, quinine, wormwood, or aloes.
2. producing one of the four basic taste sensations; not sour, sweet, or salt.
3. hard to bear; grievous; distressful: a bitter sorrow.
4. causing pain; piercing; stinging: a bitter chill.
5. characterized by intense antagonism or hostility: bitter hatred.
6. hard to admit or accept: a bitter lesson.
7. radioho.

Perfect example. YOU work in TEACHING how to work in this industry, but do you currently work FULL TIME in this business and provide for a family? Or are you teaching them part time board oping to supplement their creativity and income from their REAL job - like YOURS!

I hope you add in a little objectivity with your rose colored glasses when considering the financial well-being of your students' futures.

Do I think radio is dead or dying - absolutely NOT! I love this business, but few that are NOT on the business end actually are able to support a family, have above average income or have any sort of retirement.

And the business end isn't what draws young talent into the industry. I HOPE you discuss in DETAIL salary structures and absolute guarantee of moving from town to town to stay on the air.

You can act as though anyone that speaks negatively is bitter - and go through your cute little DICTIONARY analysis, but those of us WORKING IN THE BUSINESS for a LIVING know the reality.

I'm happy to be here, but there aren't many that have the staying power of previous generations in the business. Old jocks either go to the business side or get real jobs once family issues step into the picture.

Much like pro sports, how many stations in this town hire young talent? Vs how many stations in this town even USE live talent? Call me bitter, or call it REALITY!

 

[cold_coffee]

Is it really in your students' best interest to steer them toward an industry that traditionally offers low pay, poor working conditions (irate, hotlining nutcase owners), little advancement opportunities, and a life of complaining about said owners?

Bitter

Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English biter; akin to Old High German bittar bitter, Old English bītan to bite — more at bite
Date: before 12th century

1. having a harsh, disagreeably acrid taste, like that of aspirin, quinine, wormwood, or aloes.
2. producing one of the four basic taste sensations; not sour, sweet, or salt.
3. hard to bear; grievous; distressful: a bitter sorrow.
4. causing pain; piercing; stinging: a bitter chill.
5. characterized by intense antagonism or hostility: bitter hatred.
6. hard to admit or accept: a bitter lesson.
7. radioho.

Bitter is also a noun. An excellent English dark ale. Someone could use one!
Me too!

 

[Mid West Clubber]

Well,,, I left my radio job and now do office work at a Daycare center in martinsville, as well as volunteer for our community Part 15 station,,,, which after we found out that 100 milowatts is only legal for AM, we tried the 250 Microvolts,, legal for FM, and cant even hear the signal at the bottom of our tower,,, we are going on AM Part 15 with a Hamilton Rangemaster in the X-Band, and we are also gonna be online soon,,, but instead of trying to compete with the over abundance of dance stations online, we are concentrating on Morgan County,, will have 24/7 live volunteer jocks, and will now be able to use the website and NET STREAM to promote local business at a fair price, and all NON FOR PROFIT and CHARITIES will be promoted Free of charge... We intend to compliment our comunity country and Religious stations owned by Dave Keiser,, not to compete with them, as its a totally different format.. Its here to help the comunity, not annoy them,, the same rules will apply,, no drugs or alcohol in the studio,,, Kids are welcome to volunteer after school... I would like to get our local High School and middle schools involved.... The Dance format is family friendly and easier to keep clean then CHR, Hip HOP,,,,, and even Country which promotes drinking alot,,, The Pure Dance format is really all thats missing from the airwaves here... We could go CCM,,, but our target audience of 15 to 24 yr olds wouldnt all be hip to it,, we have Oldies here now, but before WCLS and KLU, we had our hottest run with an Overnight and weekends Oldies show, we broadcasted from our owners basement at the time, we have a studio now,,, still no AC but will change soon... but of course we didnt realise that broadcasting at 250 watts on a clear frequency was illegal... We do now,,, so we are going fully legit,, and we will be paying our royalties for the net stream.... We never used illegal downloads on air,,, even when we were pirate... We are supposed to get a LPFM license and were approved, but we will probably all be dead before we get a frequency,, at least a LPFM is local content and a format not offered or feasable to COM radio at this time.... In a way, this is a win for DXers,, the band is clear for DX in Martinsville now...

 

[AndTheLambGoesBAA]

Rant away dear 'ho. But life is too short to waste on people like you.

 

[radioho]

Rant away dear 'ho. But life is too short to waste on people like you.

Is this the response your students receive when they DARE disagree with your teachings? It's a shame when educators today force feed theory and non-real world experience, yet attempt to CRUSH opposing views.

You attacked my post - not the other way around. Yet when I ask questions to prove my point, you bow out with a lame off-handed comment that your post is above reproach.

It's no wonder, yet a proven fact shared by leaders of all industries, that our education system is turning out students that are not ready for the real world.

 

[N_D_Radioguy]

... We intend to compliment our comunity country and Religious stations owned by Dave Keiser...

So you'll be spending your time on-the-air saying lots of nice things about Dave's stations?

"Thanks for listening to us but, gee, WCBK sure is terriffic."

Or will you be complementing them?

 

[cspotrun]

How easy do you think it will be to basically tell the students in my radio classes that they should look elsewhere because there are no jobs in radio anymore?

you owe it to them, and if you want to sleep at night, give them the website of Allaccess or Radio & Records and let them read the GRIM news headlines that come out everyday about this industry, and if they have the stomach for a lifetime of it, they have been warned. (but then again you can't tell a college student anything) they need to see the pain this industry can inflict on people. hey, some people have EARNED the right to be bitter, and no one can deny the pain people in this industry are feeling right now, and students need to know the realities of this profession. have another career to fall back on, IF you want to do something you LOVE.

 

[Silkie]

How easy do you think it will be to basically tell the students in my radio classes that they should look elsewhere because there are no jobs in radio anymore?

you owe it to them, and if you want to sleep at night, give them the website of Allaccess or Radio & Records and let them read the GRIM news headlines that come out everyday about this industry, and if they have the stomach for a lifetime of it, they have been warned. (but then again you can't tell a college student anything) they need to see the pain this industry can inflict on people. hey, some people have EARNED the right to be bitter, and no one can deny the pain people in this industry are feeling right now, and students need to know the realities of this profession. have another career to fall back on, IF you want to do something you LOVE.

We lost a radio personality whose wife had a baby. He needed money for his family, but he loooovvvvedd radio.

 

[gr8oldies]

Same thing happened to me, wife a month away from delivery and I get fired from a radio job. Except it wasn't Clear Channel in 2009, it was a mom and pop with a huge signal in 1986.

I understand the bitterness in many ways, but in some ways, I don't understand that there are so many people who apparently got into radio thinking there was some kind of lifetime job security. I knew in 1975 there wasn't, and unless you really made it big, or your spouse had the good career, as soon as family responsibilities came along you were headed to another line of work. Certainly in 1995, a year before consolodation, there were plenty of radio people being let go.

 

[radioho]

Same thing happened to me, wife a month away from delivery and I get fired from a radio job. Except it wasn't Clear Channel in 2009, it was a mom and pop with a huge signal in 1986.

I understand the bitterness in many ways, but in some ways, I don't understand that there are so many people who apparently got into radio thinking there was some kind of lifetime job security. I knew in 1975 there wasn't, and unless you really made it big, or your spouse had the good career, as soon as family responsibilities came along you were headed to another line of work. Certainly in 1995, a year before consolodation, there were plenty of radio people being let go.

Exactly. ANYONE that has any more than a couple years in the business gets that and understands that. My concern is that we have a 'broadcast instructor' here that doesn't get that and, by his own confession - and I quote "how easy do you think it will be to basically tell the students in my radio classes that they should look elsewhere because there are no jobs in radio anymore?" - doesn't explain this to his students. By stating "how easy do you think it WILL be..." means he doesn't explain the reality of this business.

A prime example of someone teaching something from a book and MAYBE PAST experience, but not currently in touch with an ever-changing industry. Reading the industry rags is a start...

I hope this isn't what they teach at Butler.

 

[cspotrun]

Same thing happened to me, wife a month away from delivery and I get fired from a radio job. Except it wasn't Clear Channel in 2009, it was a mom and pop with a huge signal in 1986.

I understand the bitterness in many ways, but in some ways, I don't understand that there are so many people who apparently got into radio thinking there was some kind of lifetime job security. I knew in 1975 there wasn't, and unless you really made it big, or your spouse had the good career, as soon as family responsibilities came along you were headed to another line of work. Certainly in 1995, a year before consolodation, there were plenty of radio people being let go.

there is NO such thing as "Job Security" in any line of work and ESPECIALLY in RADIO.. and the "young skulls full of mush" need to know that before they waste any more tuition on some kind of Degree in Broadcasting. my advice to them, go out and get a job in radio(if you can) don't get married, you can't afford IT, or a house either, kids(forget it), normal life? get a road map.. your act will be from town to town(hopefully the creditors won't find you)...oooh and IF you DO get married..your wife won't put up with this crap for long_ she's NORMAL..she'll want "Roots" and you'll be divorced. OR you could be Ryan Seacrest(talent not required)... but hey, you might get lucky like him_ or you could Chuck it all and buy a lottery ticket(better odds)... but HELL radio IS Fun! isn't it...

 

[Timewarp]

Everyone should have the chance to be an employer once in their life. Then you will know .

Long ago most Americans were in business for themselves. Some owned stores, hotels,, bakeries, Farms, etc.

Today, few know anything about being their own boss.

The new American Dream is to sit on the couch with a big screen TV and free money in the mailbox.

Guess who pays for all this free money. It’s employers. And, it’s not based on the companies profit. But, instead, it’s based on how much you pay your help. Now you know why stations use computers instead of people today. Goodbye live and local.

 

[N_D_Radioguy]

I hope this isn't what they teach at Butler.

ButlerGuy doesn't teach at Butler; he's an alum who teaches elsewhere.

In fact, Butler doesn't even teach radio anymore. It's all TV, Recording Arts and New Media. I don't think there has ever even been a Radio class in the new Faribanks Building.

From how I read it, you two are mostly arguing the same side of the point. Making a career in Radio is incredibly hard, a lot harder today than 15 or 25 years ago... and it was no picnic then. It seems the real difference in your positions is optimism versus pessimism. BG's glass is half-empty and 'Ho's is [perhaps surprisingly] half-full.

I find that, now more than ever, experience is overrated. I believe that now is a time for fresh ideas and approaches. It's time to encourage more people in their 20s to get excited about Radio in the way that we were at that age. Enthusiasm, not experience, with be the Genesis Device for Planet Radio.

This may be our darkest hour, but joy cometh in the morning.

 

[radioho]

In fact, Butler doesn't even teach radio anymore. It's all TV, Recording Arts and New Media. I don't think there has ever even been a Radio class in the new Faribanks Building.

Because no parent is foolish enough to spend that kind of money for their kid to be unemployed.

Honestly, I've seen a lot of 'broadcasting school grads' that have no personality, or knack for this business. But the 'school' took their money anyway. Same as a modeling school taking EVERY girl/boy that applies regardless of physical features because it takes tuition to keep the school going.

In my 'humble?' opinion, why spend money for some throwaway certificate from a broadcasting school when you can go to just about any medium to small radio station, offer your services for FREE and learn REAL radio? Everyone wants paid, but why pay a school, when you can learn for free. Not talking interns here, talking about walking in and saying, I'm at your disposal and I want to learn how this station operates.

I HAVE had this happen, and typically it works for everyone. Free labor and FREE education. Someone comes to me with nothing more than a broadcasting school certificate - it tells me they know how to record a commercial with background music and THAT'S about it. Someone comes to me with experience in Podunk, IN at a small AM - HE'S got real experience and can usually step in and fly.

 

[N_D_Radioguy]

Honestly, I've seen a lot of 'broadcasting school grads' that have no personality, or knack for this business. But the 'school' took their money anyway. Same as a modeling school taking EVERY girl/boy that applies regardless of physical features because it takes tuition to keep the school going.

I follow your point and mostly agree with it.

However, I wouldn't characterize a Bachelor's degree from a Division I university as the same as a Certificate of Attendance from the Connecticut School of Broadcasting.

That BA from a liberal arts school will get you a job, just maybe not in radio.

 

[cspotrun]

Everyone should have the chance to be an employer once in their life. Then you will know .
Guess who pays for all this free money. It’s employers. And, it’s not based on the companies profit. But, instead, it’s based on how much you pay your help. Now you know why stations use computers instead of people today. Goodbye live and local.

i'm as "Pro-Business" as they get, but this argument is a little ONE SIDED isn't it? F R E E-M O N E Y? how can you call an employee who is working for your station 8-10 hours a day a "Freeloader"? i'm guessing you were never voted "Boss Of The Year".