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Is this the Future of Radio?

My suggestion would be to know all aspects of the business, with sales being first, some engineering second, traffic third, production fourth, and last on air.

If you follow this. You will be needed and a asset.

Just being on air talent will no longer fly, unless you are in a multiple station situation.
 
nfladxer said:
But since the rules changed in the late '90's, with the entrance of huge radio companies, and a different business model,

Has nothing to do with the rules change. It has to do with changes in technology that preceded the rule changes, coupled with increased competition, thus lower rates, for advertising. If companies were still limited to 7 or 12 stations total, we'd still see these cutbacks, probably even worse since they couldn't consolidate back-office functions. If you didn't have in-company VT and syndication, you'd have outside VT and syndication. In fact, that's how non-corporate stations do it. They run formats from indie syndicators. The money in radio started to drop in the 80s. That's why so many non-radio companies got out.
 
TheBigA said:
nfladxer said:
But since the rules changed in the late '90's, with the entrance of huge radio companies, and a different business model,

Has nothing to do with the rules change.

It certainly DID effect what we have now - the Telcommunications Act opened the floodgates. To say it had NO effect is ridiculous! And, yes, the technology change to computer operated systems in the studio open that door, I know, I was on the ground floor of that technology. Next!
 
musiconradio.com said:
My suggestion would be to know all aspects of the business, with sales being first, some engineering second, traffic third, production fourth, and last on air.

If you follow this. You will be needed and a asset.

Just being on air talent will no longer fly, unless you are in a multiple station situation.

While these are some excellent suggestions, in my observation and experience, there's a divide between those interested in sales and those on the programming side. Of course, radio is an advertising medium, so today's saavy programmers must have an understanding and working relationship with the sales department in order to succeed. For the most part, those that remain in radio have to wear several hats, if you don't know that already, you're probably not in the business. Even today's superstar performers are involved in more than just the on air product. It's a good thing they're not part-time! :D
 
nfladxer said:
It certainly DID effect what we have now - the Telcommunications Act opened the floodgates. To say it had NO effect is ridiculous!

Sorry, but it's the truth. As I said, and the facts bear this out, if consolidation hadn't happened, what you have have had was increased syndication in music. It HAD to happen. There were way too many radio stations, and not enough money to staff them all. That was caused by Docket 80-90. Look it up.
 
TheBigA said:
As I said, and the facts bear this out, if consolidation hadn't happened, what you have have had was increased syndication in music. It HAD to happen. There were way too many radio stations, and not enough money to staff them all. That was caused by Docket 80-90. Look it up.

For those of us no longer active in the industry, it is hard to "know the mind" of those who have skin in the game today.

Do rank-and-file broadcast owners and managers understand what you just wrote? I assume there is no way to "put the genie back in the bottle" so the only choice we have is to move forward with the situation as it is.

I haven't talked to him in years, but there is a guy running a small, rural station in Ozark, AR that represents one end of the radio broadcast world, and the folks at the top of Clear Channel and Cumulus represent the other end of the broadcast world. If we could convene a "think tank" of 20 people, evenly spaced in revenue and community needs and opportunities from the guy in Arkansas on up to one of Dickey Brothers, could such a group ever sit down and develop a consensus of what needs to change in radio regulation so that broadcasting was "what it should be" for people all the way from Lyford, TX to NYC? And for radio to be "what it should be" for all those audiences, it has to be financially viable for owners serving all those markets and audiences.

Or is radio forever doomed to live up to that bumper sticker plastered on the side of the big red Snap-on Toolbox I saw in a Carmel, IN auto dealership which proclaimed: "Life is a bitch.... And then you die."
 
Goat Rodeo Cowboy said:
TheBigA said:
As I said, and the facts bear this out, if consolidation hadn't happened, what you have have had was increased syndication in music. It HAD to happen. There were way too many radio stations, and not enough money to staff them all. That was caused by Docket 80-90. Look it up.

For those of us no longer active in the industry, it is hard to "know the mind" of those who have skin in the game today.

Do rank-and-file broadcast owners and managers understand what you just wrote? I assume there is no way to "put the genie back in the bottle" so the only choice we have is to move forward with the situation as it is.

Or is radio forever doomed to live up to that bumper sticker plastered on the side of the big red Snap-on Toolbox I saw in a Carmel, IN auto dealership which proclaimed: "Life is a bitch.... And then you die."

Radio is a unique medium, and at times, is an invaluable asset to the communities it serves, such as in the unfortunate Hurricane Sandy natural disaster in the Northeast. I don't think Radio's going to go away anytime soon. As many of the comments here reflect, it's roll is changing, especially in the face of increasing time spent elsewhere on smartphones, social media sites, etc. My hope is that radio plays to it's strengths, not runs away from them. No matter how you slice, dice, or research it, the sound of any given station is highly subjective, both to radio management and the listeners. Being a professional on air performer was once an artform, now it's become more of a "business", and a bit more "sterile", as broadcasters have attempted to eliminate the negatives, and search for their palce in the new digital world. My hope is, as we attempt to refine the on air product, that we keep the entertainment and fun factor alive. 8)
 
Radio needs to change their attitude, here it's rather dull. were over flooded with urban and country stations.
The 104.1/106.1 simulcast (yes, I call it a simulcast) is a total waste of money. 92.9 could easily merge with DLT (they seem to be playing more oldies vs the new crap...) and 104.1 will become a new legacy station for the area. I don't think pensacola is urban oriented, but tourist oriented. Not to mention 980 AM..

I know people personally who are a different skin color then me and they listen to Journey, ABBA and dance. (she's my age, too) Radio needs to go back to listeners first, advertisers second. With the failing to keep regular jocks, it's a shame. I listen for the talent, keeping the local theme going, and musical trends.

Radio isn't dying, it's shrinking. Listeners don't listen to crap, they listen to good music they can relate too.

Even KLOVE seems to be shining out here. (hence the bible belt) not to mention 90.5 and PSALM 91.1 (where our stereo light seems to be off)

Not too sure where 90.5 is but, they play strange music.

-Rob
 
Rob-42 said:
Radio isn't dying, it's shrinking. Listeners don't listen to crap, they listen to good music they can relate too.

Have you seen what they buy? They listen to crap.

Radio plays what listeners like, and they like crap. They're not playing Justin Bieber because the guys on the air love it.
 
nfladxer said:
My hope is, as we attempt to refine the on air product, that we keep the entertainment and fun factor alive. 8)

What's entertaining about a robotic disc jockey and 7 minute commercial breaks? Because that's pretty much what radio is now on most corporate stations. Radio doesn't exist to please the listener, it exists to please the advertiser. Music is what they play between commercial sets. ;)
 
Zach said:
Radio doesn't exist to please the listener, it exists to please the advertiser.

You can't please advertisers without listeners. So the goal is to please both. Someone has to pay for this.
 
TheBigA said:
Sorry, but it's the truth. As I said, and the facts bear this out, if consolidation hadn't happened, what you have have had was increased syndication in music. It HAD to happen. There were way too many radio stations, and not enough money to staff them all. That was caused by Docket 80-90. Look it up.
^^^^^^ Truth.
 
At the time, I supported the Telecommunications Act because I felt it was a necessary lifeline for a lot of struggling stations. Financially, the radio industry is no doubt stronger because consolidation, among many other things, centralizes a lot of functions, eliminates redundancies etc., etc. As with all consolidations, being leaner and meaner almost always results in job losses – it’s just reality.

We should get beyond WHY the law was needed and look instead to the overall product consolidation has given us. On a positive note, I really do believe radio, especially at the local level, has a lot of dedicated, creative and skilled employees who want to win.

One of the downsides to large corporate radio is the expertise and knowledge of the market that often does exist with the local team, is rarely considered when decisions that affect format(s) in that local cluster are made. When employees believe they are not valued, or they have no voice or they are made to feel they really don’t matter in the success of the enterprise – it is demoralizing. From a business standpoint, this never made sense to me because motivated employees is one of the keys to success.

I was in the banking business for a long time. With each merger, acquisition and consolidation I felt the straightjacket was tightened to a point that I just got out. Many very talented people in radio, even by their own choice, have gotten out too. To me – it’s a loss and it has diminished radio and it really doesn't have to be that way.

For the record, I am not anti-big corporation. There are bright spots. More than ever, I believe that when corporate gives a little more latitude to local managers, the results can prove a win-win for both the company and the listeners and ultimately the advertisers too.

In this string, Gnarly Charlie was brought up a few times. He’s a high-energy, bigger than life kind of personality who stands out because he is unique. If he was a typical sweeper line reader, I doubt he would have been mentioned. I've listened to him longer than I can even remember and I have lots of choices. It takes the right PD and the right GM to earn the confidence of the company to get that important voice and to build success.

Cox Media in Miami kicks very serious butt. I’m convinced Cox is very successful there because local rules. Gnarly is allowed to be Gnarly and he is the perfect partner to a lot of upbeat, rhythmic music. Speaking of music, WFLC (The Coast) had a very long track record of going retro on the weekends featuring a very unique mix of 80’s, then 80’s/90’s songs. I never heard many of those songs anywhere else. It was great. Being local and inclusive of the community brings wonderful results. It’s obvious; the playlist is not cookie-cutter. Look also at the tremendous success of WFEZ – a format I’d love to see catch on for other local markets especially here - to build upon. It's been a joy witnessing competence at work.

On the flipside, when corporate ignores the expertise of the local team and/or when the local management team just doesn’t get the market, the results can be disastrous. Earlier, it was mentioned had the Telecommunications Act not been passed, we would have had increased syndication in music. Well, we have evidence of that already. National, generic playlists designed to eliminate the need for a PD, especially among adult-oriented formats does exist and it is gaining momentum. I understand format brand but regionally created playlists that don't allow any input from those who not only know their market but know what other stations play will rarely be the optimum business decision.

Here in Jacksonville, we were exposed to CC’s Premium Choice classic hits programming heard part of the time on the former WJGH. Here’s a perfect example to show that corporate edits and a local, upper management team who didn’t understand the potential of the format helped create a no-win situation.

I may be ignorant about a lot of aspects of radio. But one thing I do know and that is beyond subtle dayparting, no format should sound different during various parts of the day. In the case of Premium Choice, the playlist was bland, ultra safe, boring, burned-out and sounded a lot like what we already had in the market with Eagle.It had differences from what WJGH ordinarily presented. I’m sorry. That was a very poor decision. It’s clear, add it to the list why listeners grew uneasy and tuned out.

Decisions have consequences. They can lead to loss of livelihood, loss of format, listener disruption and a lot of it can be avoided. Apologies for going on here but to sum up, I do see a lot of merit to what the Telecommunications Act was designed to accomplish. I just believe, a little more local latitude is in order to take advantage of those unique market situations that no one at the corporate level could begin to understand.

There was a time those in local radio management lived and died by the sword based on their decisions. Today, they are among the first to go when they aren’t even the captains of their own destiny. I see it as a critical deficiency in the corporate jungle. Radio can be better overall when it truly reflects the community served. I tried to make the case explaining Cox in Miami and earlier how effective CBS Radio is with their local approach to classic hits. Why we don’t see more of this – I don’t know. It has a great track record in working. You would think we would see more of it. IMO, it’s a better strategy than the one most use today. Thanks.
 
In answer to your question, "Why don't we see more of this?" the answer is because different companies work differently.
 
The 104.1/106.1 simulcast (yes, I call it a simulcast) is a total waste of money. 92.9 could easily merge with DLT (they seem to be playing more oldies vs the new crap...)

The music played on 92.9 and 104.1 is very different.

Let me put is this way. It would be like playing Guns & Roses or Ozzy on Lite mix 99.9.
 
TheBigA said:
In answer to your question, "Why don't we see more of this?" the answer is because different com panies work differently.

You have no argument from me. Standard operating procedure to include even company values move from top to bottom. This happens practically everywhere. But as we talk about the future of radio and careers in that industry, the MM/GM/OM role weighs very heavy in whatdefines that market. Reality check - a person's livelihood often depends on that local manager.

Whoever sits in that chair can make a very restrictive environment tolerable or miserable. I've always believed the best ideas, the best solutions -whatever- often come from those who are affected the most. Some managers are very insecure. They don't allow their subordinates the opportunity to shine. Maybe they feel threatened that the team may have better ideas. But really it does take a team to win. The motives behind some of these people in key roles is not always on the up and up, especially when it becomes about them and their job security and incentives.

When I asked, "why can't we see more of this,?" I was also referring to the importance of the MM/GM/OM role. Especially, in very large corporations those in that position are in effect the eyes and ears of those high up on the food chain and owners. For a business that is obsessed with the bottom line, I see a lot of opportunity with local management to make a difference. As I see it, they may have what it takes to make all those reports look good. But there is something else and it can't always be measured.

I believe the industry as a whole can be even healthier and a lot depends on where that GM's head is. We do have evidence of longer term success in some markets and in some companies as I described earlier. To end this, some time ago in the Orlando board there was a discussion about how a dance-oriented late night program was born. It was all about the PD collaberting with his team, getting ideas and having the support of senior management to make it happen. I found that discussion very inspiring.

In my travels, when employees (full or part-time) feel they had a part in building something, they will be vested in making it work. It's been shown that it can be a bigger motivator than money. Radio has a way of copy-catting operations that are successful. As a whole, they seem to discourage local creativity. I think it is a mistake. But it goes back to whether you believe employees are an asset or a liability.
 
JohnJax said:
Some managers are very insecure. They don't allow their subordinates the opportunity to shine. Maybe they feel threatened that the team may have better ideas. But really it does take a team to win. The motives behind some of these people in key roles is not always on the up and up, especially when it becomes about them and their job security and incentives.

You bring up a very good point. However, when I was in programming and served as program director in the '70s and early '80s, my philosophy was very simplistic when it came to allowing my air and promotion staff to "shine". I considered everything, every idea, every suggestion that was ever presented to me. My reasoning was that the better, more talented and creative my staff, the better the station sounded. I worked very hard and many long hours to create a fun environment for my air staff and my station listeners. I viewed all of us working together in a fast paced yet fun environment as a collective effort, making the station our station, rather than simply my station. This kind of philosophy made me look good and more talented than I was at the time to the general manager and station owner rather than make me feel threatened in any way.

On one occasion, I hired a new guy to take over the midday air shift. However, after about a week on air, I decided he was better suited for my afternoon drive-time day-part than I was. So, we traded air-shifts, and I took over the midday shift.

You might say that was a step down for my ego, however, I wanted the best air talent on the best day-parts, and it paid off in more than one way. You might say I had purely selfish reasons behind my logic; however, it worked and we were all winners as a result.
 
Well sir, that is still the most effective way to compete against the big corporations today. Big A said that only 10% of the total stations are owned by the majors. That leave 90% to pick up the table scraps and attempt to get agency buys. In many markets, there are still great revenues to be obtained by properly working with local businesses. It's not the easiest, or the quickest profits, but it's often a do or die situation. Properly connecting with the listeners and market makes the process easier. Having a different take on how to run a business against "big business" is the most logical, fun and effective way. Jim, I agree that properly funneled personality and even keeping the listeners guessing as to what is around the corner is a smart way to proceed even in 2012. It is funny how lifeless some of the big companies sound. And for a song and a dance, the smaller stations can often easily step up the energy and FUN and see the ROI. Then again, you can always go tooooooo far in the weird and wrong direction.
 
Interesting article from Nick Michaels on this site, about the audience connecting with radio stations. I know we banter back and forth on this topic on here. Anyone have any thoughts on Nick's comments vs. how radio is sounding today?

Jmtillery - sounds familiar, doesn't it? BigA - does this commentary from Michael's even fit the state of radio from a practical standpoint, today, especially when all the evidence from PPM says "shut up." < overdramatic, I know....
 
Tibbs2 said:
BigA - does this commentary from Michael's even fit the state of radio from a practical standpoint, today, especially when all the evidence from PPM says "shut up." < overdramatic, I know....

I think the commentary fits with those people who agree with what he says. But I didn't see any statistics or numbers in the interview, so it's hard for me to distinguish between the facts and opinion. He points to a few successes that prove his POV. But we can all name hundreds of stations that are live and local with strong personalities, and are in the ratings basement. So it's not the simple solution he makes it out to be. Not to be too critical, but he sounds like just another boomer wanting radio to be like it used to be when he was young. I'd like to hear what a younger person would say about his radio solutions. Are they really clammoring for more personality?
 
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