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Is urban a format without a future ???????

One commenter 'DJBABYFACE' said that the Urban format is 'already dead'.

"WUEDACHRIS!" as Mike Tyson or Elmer Fudd might put it.

The backbone of what we politely term 'urban radio' today has been African-American music, and the world's worst secret is that its long had the ear of people other than African-Americans. These collective works (though not a collective format anymore) had its own separate-to-segmented development because of the racial segregation our country started with. We've gone from admirers of jazz and Black standards aka 'race music', to Motown to the 70s funk and disco, to commercialized R&B and gospel, along with an allegedly silly little fad called hip-hop lasting 30+ years (and counting). From AM to FM to XM to IM and streaming, from '78' to 8-track, to Dolby-sound Cassettes to CD to MPEG-3 and AAC: The medium have changed, the sounds and genre definitions have changed, but the overall cultural appeal of Black music remains, to the point where its awkward to call it 'Black music' in mixed company.

DJBabyFace has a point about the iPod and other portable music players liberalizing individual music choice. But the 'color line' isn't what the iPod attacks, per his suburban white girl example. The iPod and its storage has made it possible to house only the hip-hop/R&B/jazz(?) she likes. And what she likes might keep her on Atlanta's 95-5 The Beat rather trying to sit through Hot 107.9. Personally, there are country songs (mostly older classics) that I like enough to pay for. But I'm not going to sit through an entire country station's playlist hoping they come up next.

Radio isn't going to abandon music by any means. Rather, its going to adjust music's role in its on-air product. I think the days of the pure jukebox (hello MTV!) are done, so its not going to make a big difference if I "jam the most hip-hop and R&B". If I were starting an urban station in 2010, I'm probably putting music research aside as my biggest priority. I'm putting 'non-music' research at the top: I want to know what music they're listening to (in and outside of what's 'urban'), the news stories they pay attention to, what movies they're buying tix and DVDs for, down to the podcasts they download and the sports teams they root for.

I'm going to include more compelling, talk-able (and therefore, podcast-worthy) content into my station, and OUTSIDE of the dang morning show. My efforts might just necessitate talent who can do more than read liner cards. Folks who can write and produce something interesting, whether their chops have been in journalism or entertainment (Both, perhaps?). My station won't be an urban music station as much as it will be one that tries to superserve 'people who tend to love urban music' in my area. The culture surrounding the music will be much more important to me to tap into. I can get 'my jams' anywhere, anytime. But for an good discussion on last night's game/movie/play/concert, or a local comedian's funny take on the latest city council brouhaha--they should be coming to my station.
 
It's about right. Too much segmentation and skewing of formerly well-programmed Urban Contemporary stations. When those types became a rarity then I knew it was over. Oh well, as long as the one I like, WVEE, sticks around I don't care about the rest because I have a multimedia player with 32G of music to listen to when I'm on the road.
 
ShawtyBlack_ATL said:
Urban radio will always have a future as long as the performance tax doesn't pass!

Pfft. It's not actually a tax, and it wouldn't actually be much a burden to radio, period. The industry is practically destined to depend on LESS music going forward, performance royalty or not. You haven't seen all of these news and sports talkers move to FM by accident.
 
How do you sell a format that the majority of advertisers are targeting SURBURBAN WHITE MIDDLECLASS folks instead of Innercity African American with decent amount of income?

The only advertisers that I could come up with that will sell the urban format. (DISCLAIMER: I know it is stereotypical, but I heard these ads on most urban radio).
I.E......McDonalds, KFC, Churches, Popyes or any fast food joints. Nails and Hair Salons. Bail Bonds. Debt relieve programs. Higher Education/Trade schools such as ITT Tech, Culinary Arts, Nursing schools. Nightclubs/Exotic Bars.
 
Babyface doesn't know much, I don't care that he is trying to run a radio station, its all over the place. An Urban AC morning show on a station that is branded as CHR-Rhy (Hits & Hip Hop). First mistake, he should have at least Big Boy if not Rickey Smiley, or go with some kind of Pop morning show that fits the format.

Hot 1055 needs to DUMP Steve Harvey quick and would KILL in mornings if they got Rickey Smiley on AM drive. Babyface's station is more a competitor to Q96 when it comes to similarity in music rotation.

The format is not dead. East coast, and midwest radio is at a loss because they still can't accept the fact that southern crunk is dominant and don't understand the club joints make it big. East coast-midwest DJ's and Artists say that southern crunk killed hip hop. Not at all. But what East coast-Midwest radio staitons are doing is going back to the classics way too much because they can't keep up with all of the new music being put out because they think it IS garbage. Along with over-saturation of a HANDFUL of artists (DRAKE) (JAYZ) is what turns off listeners. Need much more variety.

As far as advertisers, money is money right? If fast food joints and debt relief organizations and pro-active want to spend money to advertise on my station, then I will take their money!! No complaint about that.
 
Word,

You are on point. Payola 97/New York is on Jay Z and Drake 11,255 times a day...no variety at all. Ooh my bad. Payola 97's ratings are garbage because of PPM. That is the line most bland Urban and Urban leaning Rhythmic stations are using these days.
 
JerseyDude said:
Word,

You are on point. Payola 97/New York is on Jay Z and Drake 11,255 times a day...no variety at all. Ooh my bad. Payola 97's ratings are garbage because of PPM. That is the line most bland Urban and Urban leaning Rhythmic stations are using these days.
Payola 97-lol, but true
KMEL or Big Von 106, is the same. They're(or just Big Von) on that Drake-basically Cash/Young Money and Gucci Mane-often, all day too. And their ratings are garbage too. But they're still decent.
 
My fav urban used to be KXHT, KBXX (pre-R1), WBLO, and WHTA 97-5. Its now WJMI, alot of local music and exclusives many stations dont touch on. Its refreshing. Finally they got a new webcast service, I've been dying without them for a few months.
 
Within the last 3 weeks, 4 new stations have went Urban!

MAGIC 1360 - Rome,GA

92.5 THE BOX - Charleston,SC

104.3 THE BEAT - Louisville, KY

96.7 THE BLOCK - Elizabeth City, NC
 
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