This may be the only radio station with more posts than listeners. Because the this thread, it's cume has probably increased logarithmically. All stations like this do is cause interference. If the FCC really wants to save FM, they should shut down stations like this.
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Is WCHE broadcasting before sunrise and after sunset legally?
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MattParker said:This may be the only radio station with more posts than listeners. Because the this thread, it's cume has probably increased logarithmically. All stations like this do is cause interference. If the FCC really wants to save FM, they should shut down stations like this.
Matt, I guess I see your point, but that assumes there is FM worth saving
wcradio2 said:MattParker said:This may be the only radio station with more posts than listeners. Because the this thread, it's cume has probably increased logarithmically. All stations like this do is cause interference. If the FCC really wants to save FM, they should shut down stations like this.
Matt, I guess I see your point, but that assumes there is FM worth saving
Typo. Sorry. Should read "AM is worse saving." I say clear the deadwood out of AM and get rid of the interference they cause. Leave AM to a few 50kw stations with regional coverage and required to do local-live programming.
I'd open up 76-88 MHz, put the Class D's there. Then move the clears to the bottom of the AM dial. Have them use 5/8 wave towers for optimum groundwave, and up the power limit to 500 or 1000 kW. Set up frequency assignment for ONE clear per channel. Nothing else allowed. I'd add more regional frequencies. from the former clears, with regionals operating with 50 kW. Lastly, I'd add more local channels, allowing DA's, with 5 kW the operating power.
DG02816 said:I'd open up 76-88 MHz, put the Class D's there.
Right on. What the FCC should have done in the first place when TV converted to digital.
While we are at it: Get rid of IBOC.
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Well yesterday I noticed WCHE turned down there sound at 4:45pm but left there transmitter on till 4:56 pm ,so either they are watching this board or the FCC is or a phone call went to them from who,well who nows.After hearing there broadcast I'd believe this board has gotten more hits then they have listeners.I also went to there website ,they have shows till 5pm everyday,are they paid shows?
signed Feel free to correct my Grammar WC, Lowtone
signed Feel free to correct my Grammar WC, Lowtone
Lowtone said:Well yesterday I noticed WCHE turned down there sound at 4:45pm but left there transmitter on till 4:56 pm,
so either they are watching this board or the FCC is or a phone call went to them from who,well who nows.
Did they do a legal ID at sign-off (or carrier dump)? Sounds like the Phoenix market
(see the "Lamptimer" thread on the PHX board).
I also went to there website ,they have shows till 5pm everyday,are they paid shows?
So of course they stay on the air until those all-important shows end...? Also sounds
like the Phoenix market (see the "Illegal Power Alien" thread on the PHX board).
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I didn't hear any sign off,but from 4:45 till 4:56 I could hear the HUM of the transmitter. As far as the shows staying on, I will listen in tommorrow.How do you explain that one if your a sales guy and sold a show till 5pm and your only legelly aloud on the air till 4:45pm. Good sales guy or manager or whoever is incharge of knowing what time your suppose to sign off. When I buy a AM radio station can that guy work for me.Talk about professional ,I wonder if the sales of those shows will take in more money then 1 fine from the FCC
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Should be " allowed" got myself WCLowtone said:show till 5pm and your only legelly aloud on the air till 4:45pm.
Lowtone said:yesterday I noticed WCHE turned down there sound at 4:45pm but left there transmitter on till 4:56 pm
WPHE 690 in Phoenixville is also regularly guilty of this. It very common for them to stop programming at their assigned shign-off time, but leave their transmitter on with dead carrier for another 15 or more minutes.
rtetro said:WPHE 690 in Phoenixville is also regularly guilty of this. It very common for them to stop programming at their assigned shign-off time, but leave their transmitter on with dead carrier for another 15 or more minutes.
You mean that WPHE never got authority to operate at night? Its directional pattern would more or less protect the Canadian border perhaps allowing it more power at night than the 4 or 5 watts it could get if it ran ND. I'm guessing that as much as 15 or 20W might be allowed. All of the other Class D AMs in the northeast that operate on former IA Canadian clear channels and that come to mind have received nighttime authority. Yet this station, which might actually be allowed a half-decent amount of power, didn't bother to apply? Strange! Applying wouldn't cost a whole lot and if nighttime operation didn't work out they could just not use it. And now, with CFNW (CBF) dark, the nighttime coverage might be surprisingly good.
Oops! Forgot WWDB, but they found a better use for their transmitter site at night--leasing the use of the towers to WPEN.
DanStrassberg said:Oops! Forgot WWDB, but they found a better use for their transmitter site at night--leasing the use of the towers to WPEN.
Didn't 860 once hold a CP for 500 watts at night? I'm sure it was WTEL at that point.
C.
I guess WCHE isn't the only one on 1520 kHz that isn't always sticking to their assigned sunrise/sunset times, because today while trying to listen to the skywave from WWKB, I heard 1520 WARR from Warrenton, NC give their sign-off announcement at exactly 5:08 PM EST. They are supposed to be 5000 watts daytime and 1000 watts "Critical Hours", but they may have even briefly switched back to full power, because I heard WARR's programming faintly in the background underneath WWKB for a few minutes, and then suddenly their signal became much stronger and completely drowned out 'KB just as the sign-off announcement came on. Then after about 30 seconds of blank carrier, they were gone.
I'd open up 76-88 MHz, put the Class D's there. Then move the clears to the bottom of the AM dial. Have them use 5/8 wave towers for optimum groundwave, and up the power limit to 500 or 1000 kW. Set up frequency assignment for ONE clear per channel. Nothing else allowed. I'd add more regional frequencies. from the former clears, with regionals operating with 50 kW. Lastly, I'd add more local channels, allowing DA's, with 5 kW the operating power.
My lack of knowledge in the technical side of this will show, please forgive me, but one question, as Delaware doesn't have any 50K stations, but only has two 5K AMs as their "regional" stations Wilmington's WDEL 1150 which covers the upper 2/3'rds of the state and Dover's WDOV 1410 which cover the the lower 2/3'ds of the state. Maybe they'd be given an exemption and also moved to the lower end of the AM dial with the 50K stations so Delaware wouldn't lose it's only 2 regional AM's. Maybe boost both to 10K so they'd cover the entire state.
My lack of knowledge in the technical side of this will show, please forgive me, but one question, as Delaware doesn't have any 50K stations, but only has two 5K AMs as their "regional" stations Wilmington's WDEL 1150 which covers the upper 2/3'rds of the state and Dover's WDOV 1410 which cover the the lower 2/3'ds of the state. Maybe they'd be given an exemption and also moved to the lower end of the AM dial with the 50K stations so Delaware wouldn't lose it's only 2 regional AM's. Maybe boost both to 10K so they'd cover the entire state.
Mike,
This plan I was tossing around would have given both WDEL and WDOV 50 kW power. I'd move them to lower spots on the dial for better coverage. As it stands now, WDEL is running 10 kW during the day. Class D stations, of which WVCH is one, operate only during the daytime or operate at night with less than 250 watts. They are not accorded any interference protection from other stations on their frequencies.WVCH, for example, gets knocked around at night by CFZM Toronto. My reasons for doing this would be to give AM's
something of a chance against noise from power lines, LED traffic lights, dimmers, computers, and the like.
This plan I was tossing around would have given both WDEL and WDOV 50 kW power. I'd move them to lower spots on the dial for better coverage. As it stands now, WDEL is running 10 kW during the day. Class D stations, of which WVCH is one, operate only during the daytime or operate at night with less than 250 watts. They are not accorded any interference protection from other stations on their frequencies.WVCH, for example, gets knocked around at night by CFZM Toronto. My reasons for doing this would be to give AM's
something of a chance against noise from power lines, LED traffic lights, dimmers, computers, and the like.
DG02816 said:I'd open up 76-88 MHz, put the Class D's there. Then move the clears to the bottom of the AM dial. Have them use 5/8 wave towers for optimum groundwave, and up the power limit to 500 or 1000 kW. Set up frequency assignment for ONE clear per channel. Nothing else allowed. I'd add more regional frequencies. from the former clears, with regionals operating with 50 kW. Lastly, I'd add more local channels, allowing DA's, with 5 kW the operating power.
Here are just two of the reasons why this proposal wouldn't work: Although 5/8 wavelength is more efficient than 1/2 wavelength, the high-angle lobe at 5/8 is very troublesome--causes interference to the groundwave from the reflected skywave, thus reducing the coverage (at least during CH and at night) to less than can be obtained with a slightly shorter radiator. Using 5/8 wavelength can sometimes be justified on more crowded channels, however (see KVTO). There, the background QRM limits the coverage to even higher field-intensity contours than those at which the high-angle skywave causes problems. It is generally accepted that, at least for nondirectional Class A stations, the best tradeoff between high-angle skywave and groundwave is at about 195 degrees. Also, requiring even taller towers than are currently in use would be virtually impossible. Best example is KFI's long battle to replace its 750' (175.7-degrees at 640) tower at its existing site after the original tower was felled by a small airplane. Took years and millions of $$$, and CCU was forced by the FAA to make the new tower 10% shorter (158 degrees) than the old one. The new tower is top-loaded to produce the same efficiency as the original, however.
satech said:...I heard 1520 WARR from Warrenton, NC give their sign-off announcement at exactly 5:08 PM EST.
A little late dumping the carrier, no? WARR's December sign-off time should be 5:00.
http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/srsstime?dlat=36&mlat=24&slat=18.00&dlon=78&mlon=8&slon=9.00&tzone=A
And it has no PSSA authorization except from April through September.
http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/getimportletter_exh.cgi?import_letter_id=2506
Mike,
This plan I was tossing around would have given both WDEL and WDOV 50 kW power. I'd move them to lower spots on the dial for better coverage. As it stands now, WDEL is running 10 kW during the day. Class D stations, of which WVCH is one, operate only during the daytime or operate at night with less than 250 watts. They are not accorded any interference protection from other stations on their frequencies.WVCH, for example, gets knocked around at night by CFZM Toronto. My reasons for doing this would be to give AM's
something of a chance against noise from power lines, LED traffic lights, dimmers, computers, and the like.
Thanks for the explaination, sounds like a great plan for WDEL and WDOV.
I knew WDEL had a construction permit to upgrade to 10K, when did they start broadcasting at 10k? That should sure help their signal get into steel buildings better and cover more of the state and even into Philly better, etc, which will make WILM even lesser of a player with their puny 1K signal. Is it possible for WILM to increase their power to say 5K or due to the non-directional patter they have restrict that. Because it would seem to me, that if WILM is going to compete realistically with WDEL their signal needs to get out far better than it does.
This plan I was tossing around would have given both WDEL and WDOV 50 kW power. I'd move them to lower spots on the dial for better coverage. As it stands now, WDEL is running 10 kW during the day. Class D stations, of which WVCH is one, operate only during the daytime or operate at night with less than 250 watts. They are not accorded any interference protection from other stations on their frequencies.WVCH, for example, gets knocked around at night by CFZM Toronto. My reasons for doing this would be to give AM's
something of a chance against noise from power lines, LED traffic lights, dimmers, computers, and the like.
Thanks for the explaination, sounds like a great plan for WDEL and WDOV.
I knew WDEL had a construction permit to upgrade to 10K, when did they start broadcasting at 10k? That should sure help their signal get into steel buildings better and cover more of the state and even into Philly better, etc, which will make WILM even lesser of a player with their puny 1K signal. Is it possible for WILM to increase their power to say 5K or due to the non-directional patter they have restrict that. Because it would seem to me, that if WILM is going to compete realistically with WDEL their signal needs to get out far better than it does.
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