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Issues list with the HDT-1

wgliradio said:
http://www.ham-radio.com/k6sti/hdt.txt

I found alot of the applicable issues on this list with the Accurian I have, especially the FM blend, problems with the AM sync detector, clock, display issues.

"Sangean HDT-1"

"Inside the mostly empty enclosure are processor, interface, and power supply boards... Co-channel and multipath interference outfox the noise mitigation system. Either can make a signal above the blend threshold unlistenable. Forcing mono could clean things up, but the HDT-1 provides no way to do this... AM HD Radio was a different story. I heard pronounced speech artifacts on every station. I finally came across one or two male speakers whose voices didn't sound funny, but these were exceptions. Background noise does go away on HD and the audio bandwidth does broaden, but most of the time the sound is just too unnatural for my ears."

http://www.ham-radio.com/k6sti/hdt-1.htm

As with other HD Radio manufacturers, especially with the Accurian HD and HD100, no one is taking HD Radio very seriously.
 
Audio components are the size they are so they'll fit with other components. The space hasn't been needed for decades. Most tuners, cassette decks, and cd players have been "mostly empty" for decades, because required circuitry is getting smaller all the time. The only components that still need to be big are amplifiers, because of the heat (and home theater receivers because of all the things that must be plugged into them.

Exceptions are expensive purist designs made with "discrete" components...transistors rather than integrated circuits. HD radios are so incredibly versatile (nearly limitless filter bandwidths and shapes, for instance), because much of their circuitry is "virtual"...it takes place in software. That's a good thing, as a discrete tuner with the processing power of a 200 dollar HD radio would probably cost 1500 bucks, and be huge. Complaining that they're "mostly empty" is the same as complaining because a recording studio is "mostly empty" after multitrack recorders, mixers, compressors, limiters, reverb units, patch-bays, etc. are all replaced by a computer running Pro-Tools, or (my favorite) Adobe Audition.

Software takes the place of MUCH hardware. A good thing, because it makes it possible for us to have "super-tuners" for 200 bucks. Audiophiles know that the level of performance from an HDT1x used to cost a thousand bucks or more. Many who have compared these to Magnum-Dynalab, vintage McIntosh, Marantz, etc...will tell you that the HDT1x pulls in more stations (in analog mode), and that they're quieter, without interference even when there's a 1st adjacent. My cheap-ass little Accurian has NO trouble pulling in an 88.7 rock colid (analog or HD), with a stronger 88.5 and 88.9 on either side. This is super-tuner performance from what was the cheapest HD radio on the market. "Software-defined" radios are a Godsend!

My sync-detector locks on perfectly (analog only, I have no digital AM stations in my area) on my Accurian. It usually takes less than a second, even on weak signals.
 
It's one thing to hear a station and quite another the quality of the audio.

Software driven radios are OK to a point, most are manipulated with blend circuits and such which make the quality of the distant station nowhere near as clean as a well designed analog circuit... and they are out there.

That being said, the software radios could do this if they weren't programmed for dumb end users.
 
Mike Walker said:
Audio components are the size they are so they'll fit with other components. The space hasn't been needed for decades. Most tuners, cassette decks, and cd players have been "mostly empty" for decades, because required circuitry is getting smaller all the time. The only components that still need to be big are amplifiers, because of the heat (and home theater receivers because of all the things that must be plugged into them.

The Sangean HDT-1's empty box reminds me of the horrific Grundig/Tecsun/Eton S350's empty box:

"Grundig_Tecsun_Eton_garbage"

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Grundig_Tecsun_Eton_garbage/

Now, here are some quality electronics from the modern Eton E1 - no empty box, here:

http://bcl.myetoys.com/Article/UploadFiles/200509/20050903142554781.JPG

iBiquity's HD chipset fees are $40 to half the cost of HD radios - even $200 HD radios are empty-boxed junk ! :D
 
PocketRadio said:
Mike Walker said:
Audio components are the size they are so they'll fit with other components. The space hasn't been needed for decades. Most tuners, cassette decks, and cd players have been "mostly empty" for decades, because required circuitry is getting smaller all the time. The only components that still need to be big are amplifiers, because of the heat (and home theater receivers because of all the things that must be plugged into them.

The Sangean HDT-1's empty box reminds me of the horrific Grundig/Tecsun/Eton S350's empty box:

"Grundig_Tecsun_Eton_garbage"

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Grundig_Tecsun_Eton_garbage/

Now, here are some quality electronics from the modern Eton E1 - no empty box, here:

http://bcl.myetoys.com/Article/UploadFiles/200509/20050903142554781.JPG

iBiquity's HD chipset fees are $40 to half the cost of HD radios - even $200 HD radios are empty-boxed junk ! :D

"empty-boxed junk "

Oh, do you own one? Have you used one? Do you have any idea what you are talking about? ..Answer to all of the above...NO.
 
R.F. Burns said:
"empty-boxed junk "

Oh, do you own one? Have you used one? Do you have any idea what you are talking about? ..Answer to all of the above...NO.

Yes, I was foolish enough to believe all of the hype on the Internet about the Grundig S350:

"Survey #2 - What is the most over rated radio that you have ever owned?"

Grundig S350

"Heavily hyped on newsgroups and Yahoo groups by its enthusiasts (who seem mostly to use it for MW listening), this radio neither delivers the performance it SHOULD be capable of, nor satisfies even a casual SWL'ing function."

http://www.radiointel.com/results2.htm

Luckily, I was able to return it to RS, where it probably still sits on the shelf, after two years. This is the same kind of hype that is being written about HD Radio, by the likes Kim Komando of USA Today:

"The Kim Komando Show"

"Five things to know about HD Radio"

http://www.komando.com/columns/index.aspx?id=3031
 
We all know you hate HD. That aside (trust me.. I think it has some serious issues, especially on the AM side) you might want to consider actually TRYING a Sagean HDT-1 software-defined radio before blasting it. Strictly from an analog side, I'm pretty darn impressed. Is it a Pioneer Supertuner IV or a vintage Yamaha or the likes with crystal filter mods, etc? No.. But.. it's a nice balance of good audio AND selectivity/sensitivity within a fairly cheap box. Don't underestimate this box before you try one. Personally I feel it's one my better purchases lately even though there's no HD in OKC worth a damn on the air yet for that part of it's capabilities.

You know what amazes me? All the big crappy companies that have spent millions utilizing a techinical fix to try to correct a PROGRAMMING problem. Analog or digital doesn't matter. The problem is quality of the the content, not the way it's delivered. What do they do? They spend millions talking to nearly no one in the hopes someone will buy a radio so they can hear the same automated or crappy main channel broadcast, or a roboted secondary (FM). They could have bought some DJ's and PD's with a clue and just left alone to play radio and done MUCH better. Go figure...
 
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