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spongebag7
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How come a true CHR/Pop station won't work in such a large, CHR-loving market like San Fransicso?
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FluxCapacitor
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> How come a true CHR/Pop station won't work in such a large,
> CHR-loving market like San Fransicso?
>
If SF were a CHR loving market, wouldn't there be CHR stations on air already?
> CHR-loving market like San Fransicso?
>
If SF were a CHR loving market, wouldn't there be CHR stations on air already?
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hitliner
Guest
There's no CHR in SF? Wow..this is news. Why has no one brought this up here before?
S
spinner
Guest
It bothers me how much you people talk about the lack of a CHR.
> It bothers me how much you people talk about the lack of a
> CHR.
>
I guess because the rest of the major markets in the civilized world have it. Those of us who bemoan the lact of it just think there is room for it. It's expensive to do it right and that might be the only reason it's not being done.
Yet we can't get a grip on why the fourth largest radio market in America can't support one Top 40 and/or a Country station.
It wouldn't take an ounce of courage to create one of each. Taking "a chance" on Top 40 and Country could be done by owners of stations that are hopelessly lost delivering 1.0 shares with their current offerings.
Time for someone to show some balz and take on a format or two uith proven appeal.
> CHR.
>
I guess because the rest of the major markets in the civilized world have it. Those of us who bemoan the lact of it just think there is room for it. It's expensive to do it right and that might be the only reason it's not being done.
Yet we can't get a grip on why the fourth largest radio market in America can't support one Top 40 and/or a Country station.
It wouldn't take an ounce of courage to create one of each. Taking "a chance" on Top 40 and Country could be done by owners of stations that are hopelessly lost delivering 1.0 shares with their current offerings.
Time for someone to show some balz and take on a format or two uith proven appeal.
F
FluxCapacitor
Guest
> > It bothers me how much you people talk about the lack of a
>
> > CHR.
> >
> I guess because the rest of the major markets in the
> civilized world have it. Those of us who bemoan the lact of
> it just think there is room for it. It's expensive to do it
> right and that might be the only reason it's not being done.
>
> Yet we can't get a grip on why the fourth largest radio
> market in America can't support one Top 40 and/or a Country
> station.
>
> It wouldn't take an ounce of courage to create one of each.
> Taking "a chance" on Top 40 and Country could be done by
> owners of stations that are hopelessly lost delivering 1.0
> shares with their current offerings.
>
> Time for someone to show some balz and take on a format or
> two uith proven appeal.
>
This matket has proven that CHR and Country just dont do well here.
>
> > CHR.
> >
> I guess because the rest of the major markets in the
> civilized world have it. Those of us who bemoan the lact of
> it just think there is room for it. It's expensive to do it
> right and that might be the only reason it's not being done.
>
> Yet we can't get a grip on why the fourth largest radio
> market in America can't support one Top 40 and/or a Country
> station.
>
> It wouldn't take an ounce of courage to create one of each.
> Taking "a chance" on Top 40 and Country could be done by
> owners of stations that are hopelessly lost delivering 1.0
> shares with their current offerings.
>
> Time for someone to show some balz and take on a format or
> two uith proven appeal.
>
This matket has proven that CHR and Country just dont do well here.
> > > It bothers me how much you people talk about the lack of
> a
> >
> > > CHR.
> > >
> > I guess because the rest of the major markets in the
> > civilized world have it. Those of us who bemoan the lact
> of
> > it just think there is room for it. It's expensive to do
> it
> > right and that might be the only reason it's not being
> done.
> >
> > Yet we can't get a grip on why the fourth largest radio
> > market in America can't support one Top 40 and/or a
> Country
> > station.
> >
> > It wouldn't take an ounce of courage to create one of
> each.
> > Taking "a chance" on Top 40 and Country could be done by
> > owners of stations that are hopelessly lost delivering 1.0
>
> > shares with their current offerings.
> >
> > Time for someone to show some balz and take on a format or
>
> > two uith proven appeal.
> >
>
>
>
> This matket has proven that CHR and Country just dont do
> well here.
>
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> a
> >
> > > CHR.
> > >
> > I guess because the rest of the major markets in the
> > civilized world have it. Those of us who bemoan the lact
> of
> > it just think there is room for it. It's expensive to do
> it
> > right and that might be the only reason it's not being
> done.
> >
> > Yet we can't get a grip on why the fourth largest radio
> > market in America can't support one Top 40 and/or a
> Country
> > station.
> >
> > It wouldn't take an ounce of courage to create one of
> each.
> > Taking "a chance" on Top 40 and Country could be done by
> > owners of stations that are hopelessly lost delivering 1.0
>
> > shares with their current offerings.
> >
> > Time for someone to show some balz and take on a format or
>
> > two uith proven appeal.
> >
>
>
>
> This matket has proven that CHR and Country just dont do
> well here.
>
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> > > > It bothers me how much you people talk about the lack
> of
> > a
> > >
> > > > CHR.
> > > >
> > > I guess because the rest of the major markets in the
> > > civilized world have it. Those of us who bemoan the lact
>
> > of
> > > it just think there is room for it. It's expensive to do
>
> > it
> > > right and that might be the only reason it's not being
> > done.
> > >
> > > Yet we can't get a grip on why the fourth largest radio
> > > market in America can't support one Top 40 and/or a
> > Country
> > > station.
> > >
> > > It wouldn't take an ounce of courage to create one of
> > each.
> > > Taking "a chance" on Top 40 and Country could be done by
>
> > > owners of stations that are hopelessly lost delivering
> 1.0
> >
> > > shares with their current offerings.
> > >
> > > Time for someone to show some balz and take on a format
> or
> >
> > > two uith proven appeal.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > This matket has proven that CHR and Country just dont do
> > well here.
> >
> country can't but chr can, company's just don't want to try
> it
>
And when did a decent owner try to make Top 40?CHR work? Bonneville's piss-por token efforts don't count.
And please, I don't mean a kind of all-things-to-all-people format that plays the hit singles from Keith Urban, Kelly Clarkson and Snoop Dogg in the same set.
> of
> > a
> > >
> > > > CHR.
> > > >
> > > I guess because the rest of the major markets in the
> > > civilized world have it. Those of us who bemoan the lact
>
> > of
> > > it just think there is room for it. It's expensive to do
>
> > it
> > > right and that might be the only reason it's not being
> > done.
> > >
> > > Yet we can't get a grip on why the fourth largest radio
> > > market in America can't support one Top 40 and/or a
> > Country
> > > station.
> > >
> > > It wouldn't take an ounce of courage to create one of
> > each.
> > > Taking "a chance" on Top 40 and Country could be done by
>
> > > owners of stations that are hopelessly lost delivering
> 1.0
> >
> > > shares with their current offerings.
> > >
> > > Time for someone to show some balz and take on a format
> or
> >
> > > two uith proven appeal.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > This matket has proven that CHR and Country just dont do
> > well here.
> >
> country can't but chr can, company's just don't want to try
> it
>
And when did a decent owner try to make Top 40?CHR work? Bonneville's piss-por token efforts don't count.
And please, I don't mean a kind of all-things-to-all-people format that plays the hit singles from Keith Urban, Kelly Clarkson and Snoop Dogg in the same set.
> > > > > It bothers me how much you people talk about the
> lack
> > of
> > > a
> > > >
> > > > > CHR.
> > > > >
> > > > I guess because the rest of the major markets in the
> > > > civilized world have it. Those of us who bemoan the
> lact
> >
> > > of
> > > > it just think there is room for it. It's expensive to
> do
> >
> > > it
> > > > right and that might be the only reason it's not being
>
> > > done.
> > > >
> > > > Yet we can't get a grip on why the fourth largest
> radio
> > > > market in America can't support one Top 40 and/or a
> > > Country
> > > > station.
> > > >
> > > > It wouldn't take an ounce of courage to create one of
> > > each.
> > > > Taking "a chance" on Top 40 and Country could be done
> by
> >
> > > > owners of stations that are hopelessly lost delivering
>
> > 1.0
> > >
> > > > shares with their current offerings.
> > > >
> > > > Time for someone to show some balz and take on a
> format
> > or
> > >
> > > > two uith proven appeal.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > This matket has proven that CHR and Country just dont do
>
> > > well here.
> > >
> > country can't but chr can, company's just don't want to
> try
> > it
> >
> And when did a decent owner try to make Top 40?CHR work?
> Bonneville's piss-por token efforts don't count.
>
> And please, I don't mean a kind of all-things-to-all-people
> format that plays the hit singles from Keith Urban, Kelly
> Clarkson and Snoop Dogg in the same set.
I'm lost. If Keith, Kelly & Snoop are in the top spots on the R&R/Billboard CHR Charts, what SHOULD a CHR play?
>
> lack
> > of
> > > a
> > > >
> > > > > CHR.
> > > > >
> > > > I guess because the rest of the major markets in the
> > > > civilized world have it. Those of us who bemoan the
> lact
> >
> > > of
> > > > it just think there is room for it. It's expensive to
> do
> >
> > > it
> > > > right and that might be the only reason it's not being
>
> > > done.
> > > >
> > > > Yet we can't get a grip on why the fourth largest
> radio
> > > > market in America can't support one Top 40 and/or a
> > > Country
> > > > station.
> > > >
> > > > It wouldn't take an ounce of courage to create one of
> > > each.
> > > > Taking "a chance" on Top 40 and Country could be done
> by
> >
> > > > owners of stations that are hopelessly lost delivering
>
> > 1.0
> > >
> > > > shares with their current offerings.
> > > >
> > > > Time for someone to show some balz and take on a
> format
> > or
> > >
> > > > two uith proven appeal.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > This matket has proven that CHR and Country just dont do
>
> > > well here.
> > >
> > country can't but chr can, company's just don't want to
> try
> > it
> >
> And when did a decent owner try to make Top 40?CHR work?
> Bonneville's piss-por token efforts don't count.
>
> And please, I don't mean a kind of all-things-to-all-people
> format that plays the hit singles from Keith Urban, Kelly
> Clarkson and Snoop Dogg in the same set.
I'm lost. If Keith, Kelly & Snoop are in the top spots on the R&R/Billboard CHR Charts, what SHOULD a CHR play?
>
> And please, I don't mean a kind of
> all-things-to-all-people
> format that plays the hit singles from Keith Urban, Kelly
> Clarkson and Snoop Dogg in the same set.
>
> I'm lost. If Keith, Kelly & Snoop are in the top spots on
> the R&R/Billboard CHR Charts, what SHOULD a CHR play?
Good question. CHR to me says play the hits, regardless. If it's a hit, people are buying it and they want to hear it.
> all-things-to-all-people
> format that plays the hit singles from Keith Urban, Kelly
> Clarkson and Snoop Dogg in the same set.
>
> I'm lost. If Keith, Kelly & Snoop are in the top spots on
> the R&R/Billboard CHR Charts, what SHOULD a CHR play?
Good question. CHR to me says play the hits, regardless. If it's a hit, people are buying it and they want to hear it.
> >>
>
> I'm lost. If Keith, Kelly & Snoop are in the top spots on
> the R&R/Billboard CHR Charts, what SHOULD a CHR play?
Good point. Maybe just because I'm uh...older, I remember when Top 40 stations dominated the ratings. There was no Hip-Hop music then, but it was typical to hear a maintstream pop song followed by a country song followed by a hard rock song, followed by an "MOR" (middle of the road - i.e.: Tony Bennett), etc. Hearing Snoop Dog after Kelly Clarkson is no weirder than hearing Dean Martin after the Rolling Stones. It was defined as what was POPULAR at the time, and it worked.Then, anyway.
If CHR worked nowadays, why hasn't there been a long lasting success for CHR here in the last 20 years? Example: KIIS-FM in LA. Evidence to the contrary: Z95.7, X-100, "All Hit" KMEL, "Hot Hits" KITS, KYUU. As a Hit station, KYUU probably lasted the longest - maybe 8 years, but it wasn't even close to the 17 (or so) year successful run of KFRC (610). All of the others either gave up the format or morphed into something different, like KMEL. Having said that, I'm sure some will find fault with this argument ("Bonneville didn't try hard enough," "KITS only played the Top 10," etc.). So go ahead, pile on.
>
> I'm lost. If Keith, Kelly & Snoop are in the top spots on
> the R&R/Billboard CHR Charts, what SHOULD a CHR play?
Good point. Maybe just because I'm uh...older, I remember when Top 40 stations dominated the ratings. There was no Hip-Hop music then, but it was typical to hear a maintstream pop song followed by a country song followed by a hard rock song, followed by an "MOR" (middle of the road - i.e.: Tony Bennett), etc. Hearing Snoop Dog after Kelly Clarkson is no weirder than hearing Dean Martin after the Rolling Stones. It was defined as what was POPULAR at the time, and it worked.Then, anyway.
If CHR worked nowadays, why hasn't there been a long lasting success for CHR here in the last 20 years? Example: KIIS-FM in LA. Evidence to the contrary: Z95.7, X-100, "All Hit" KMEL, "Hot Hits" KITS, KYUU. As a Hit station, KYUU probably lasted the longest - maybe 8 years, but it wasn't even close to the 17 (or so) year successful run of KFRC (610). All of the others either gave up the format or morphed into something different, like KMEL. Having said that, I'm sure some will find fault with this argument ("Bonneville didn't try hard enough," "KITS only played the Top 10," etc.). So go ahead, pile on.
> > And please, I don't mean a kind of
> > all-things-to-all-people
> > format that plays the hit singles from Keith Urban, Kelly
> > Clarkson and Snoop Dogg in the same set.
> >
> > I'm lost. If Keith, Kelly & Snoop are in the top spots on
>
> > the R&R/Billboard CHR Charts, what SHOULD a CHR play?
>
>
> Good question. CHR to me says play the hits, regardless. If
> it's a hit, people are buying it and they want to hear it.
>
It would really be "old school" to just grab everything that's selling and play 'em all on one station. That kind of 'gathering was done out of a need to meet demands of a radio spectrum dominated by five or six signals. With hundreds of sat signals and scores of FM points on the dial, it's just not needed. But a station that scans and spans the pop spectrum would be healthy.
Why is it a mainstream station with a 3-share is a failure and a score of fringe players continue on with half the audience? Truth is owners are in it to grow capital, not listenership. All they want to do is hold on to a signal long enough to double its money. That need not mean more listeners, just patience. Like owning a home in the Bay Area. You need not put any improvements into an esisting home to double your money in less than a decade. While that may not be the case in the coming decade, it has been true for as long as radio has been around.
I think many radio owners, including CC, are slum lords. And they're not even good at that.
> > all-things-to-all-people
> > format that plays the hit singles from Keith Urban, Kelly
> > Clarkson and Snoop Dogg in the same set.
> >
> > I'm lost. If Keith, Kelly & Snoop are in the top spots on
>
> > the R&R/Billboard CHR Charts, what SHOULD a CHR play?
>
>
> Good question. CHR to me says play the hits, regardless. If
> it's a hit, people are buying it and they want to hear it.
>
It would really be "old school" to just grab everything that's selling and play 'em all on one station. That kind of 'gathering was done out of a need to meet demands of a radio spectrum dominated by five or six signals. With hundreds of sat signals and scores of FM points on the dial, it's just not needed. But a station that scans and spans the pop spectrum would be healthy.
Why is it a mainstream station with a 3-share is a failure and a score of fringe players continue on with half the audience? Truth is owners are in it to grow capital, not listenership. All they want to do is hold on to a signal long enough to double its money. That need not mean more listeners, just patience. Like owning a home in the Bay Area. You need not put any improvements into an esisting home to double your money in less than a decade. While that may not be the case in the coming decade, it has been true for as long as radio has been around.
I think many radio owners, including CC, are slum lords. And they're not even good at that.
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allisonmarie
Guest
> > >>
> >
> > I'm lost. If Keith, Kelly & Snoop are in the top spots on
>
> > the R&R/Billboard CHR Charts, what SHOULD a CHR play?
>
> Good point. Maybe just because I'm uh...older, I remember
> when Top 40 stations dominated the ratings. There was no
> Hip-Hop music then, but it was typical to hear a maintstream
> pop song followed by a country song followed by a hard rock
> song, followed by an "MOR" (middle of the road - i.e.: Tony
> Bennett), etc. Hearing Snoop Dog after Kelly Clarkson is no
> weirder than hearing Dean Martin after the Rolling Stones.
> It was defined as what was POPULAR at the time, and it
> worked.Then, anyway.
>
> If CHR worked nowadays, why hasn't there been a long lasting
> success for CHR here in the last 20 years? Example: KIIS-FM
> in LA. Evidence to the contrary: Z95.7, X-100, "All Hit"
> KMEL, "Hot Hits" KITS, KYUU. As a Hit station, KYUU
> probably lasted the longest - maybe 8 years, but it wasn't
> even close to the 17 (or so) year successful run of KFRC
> (610). All of the others either gave up the format or
> morphed into something different, like KMEL. Having said
> that, I'm sure some will find fault with this argument
> ("Bonneville didn't try hard enough," "KITS only played the
> Top 10," etc.). So go ahead, pile on.
>
It all about fragmentation of the music marketplace! And the pieces just keep on getting smaller and smaller!
> >
> > I'm lost. If Keith, Kelly & Snoop are in the top spots on
>
> > the R&R/Billboard CHR Charts, what SHOULD a CHR play?
>
> Good point. Maybe just because I'm uh...older, I remember
> when Top 40 stations dominated the ratings. There was no
> Hip-Hop music then, but it was typical to hear a maintstream
> pop song followed by a country song followed by a hard rock
> song, followed by an "MOR" (middle of the road - i.e.: Tony
> Bennett), etc. Hearing Snoop Dog after Kelly Clarkson is no
> weirder than hearing Dean Martin after the Rolling Stones.
> It was defined as what was POPULAR at the time, and it
> worked.Then, anyway.
>
> If CHR worked nowadays, why hasn't there been a long lasting
> success for CHR here in the last 20 years? Example: KIIS-FM
> in LA. Evidence to the contrary: Z95.7, X-100, "All Hit"
> KMEL, "Hot Hits" KITS, KYUU. As a Hit station, KYUU
> probably lasted the longest - maybe 8 years, but it wasn't
> even close to the 17 (or so) year successful run of KFRC
> (610). All of the others either gave up the format or
> morphed into something different, like KMEL. Having said
> that, I'm sure some will find fault with this argument
> ("Bonneville didn't try hard enough," "KITS only played the
> Top 10," etc.). So go ahead, pile on.
>
It all about fragmentation of the music marketplace! And the pieces just keep on getting smaller and smaller!
> It all about fragmentation of the music marketplace! And the
> pieces just keep on getting smaller and smaller!
...Until you are micro-casting to a smaller and smaller fragment of the audience. Why not try to be "full service" or appeal to listeners across demographics?
By the way, what are the rules of the Radio-Info.com San Francisco drinking game? Is it take two sips on a mention of CHR, and one on mentions of country? How many on Doghouse mentions?
D.J.
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> pieces just keep on getting smaller and smaller!
...Until you are micro-casting to a smaller and smaller fragment of the audience. Why not try to be "full service" or appeal to listeners across demographics?
By the way, what are the rules of the Radio-Info.com San Francisco drinking game? Is it take two sips on a mention of CHR, and one on mentions of country? How many on Doghouse mentions?
D.J.
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boatrocker
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> > It all about fragmentation of the music marketplace! And
> the
> > pieces just keep on getting smaller and smaller!
>
> ...Until you are micro-casting to a smaller and smaller
> fragment of the audience. Why not try to be "full service"
> or appeal to listeners across demographics?
>
> By the way, what are the rules of the Radio-Info.com San
> Francisco drinking game? Is it take two sips on a mention of
> CHR, and one on mentions of country? How many on Doghouse
> mentions?
>
> D.J.
>
CHILL, dude, just CHILL
> the
> > pieces just keep on getting smaller and smaller!
>
> ...Until you are micro-casting to a smaller and smaller
> fragment of the audience. Why not try to be "full service"
> or appeal to listeners across demographics?
>
> By the way, what are the rules of the Radio-Info.com San
> Francisco drinking game? Is it take two sips on a mention of
> CHR, and one on mentions of country? How many on Doghouse
> mentions?
>
> D.J.
>
CHILL, dude, just CHILL
boatrocker wrote:
> CHILL, dude, just CHILL
Take your own advice, dude. I was asking a silly question about this board's drinking game. If you don't have a sense of humor, why don't you change your handle again (and again) until you settle upon a personality that gets jokes?
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> CHILL, dude, just CHILL
Take your own advice, dude. I was asking a silly question about this board's drinking game. If you don't have a sense of humor, why don't you change your handle again (and again) until you settle upon a personality that gets jokes?
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lewisofsf
Guest
Re: Another rule
> By the way, what are the rules of the Radio-Info.com San
> Francisco drinking game? Is it take two sips on a mention of
> CHR, and one on mentions of country? How many on Doghouse
> mentions?
>
> D.J.
>
You have to drain the bottle whenever the mod deletes a post. Of course, we will all be as drunk as a former 106.9 mid day personality all the time then.
> By the way, what are the rules of the Radio-Info.com San
> Francisco drinking game? Is it take two sips on a mention of
> CHR, and one on mentions of country? How many on Doghouse
> mentions?
>
> D.J.
>
You have to drain the bottle whenever the mod deletes a post. Of course, we will all be as drunk as a former 106.9 mid day personality all the time then.
Re: Another rule (and more!)
lewisofsf decreed:
> You have to drain the bottle whenever the mod deletes a
> post. Of course, we will all be as drunk as a former 106.9
> mid day personality all the time then.
That's a great rule! I'll stop off at Costco tomorrow morning and stock up!
We'll have to come up with rules for some other things, too:
* If you can't receive Energy 92.7 and post about it more than once.
* Posts about why stations are switching to "Mexican language." (Mr. Eduardo will be our judge and jury for this one.)
* Posts about why [STATION] doesn't add a booster for [CERTAIN AREA].
This is all very tongue-in-cheek, by the way, just in case my close personal friend Boatrocker doesn't quite get it. ; )
D.J.
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lewisofsf decreed:
> You have to drain the bottle whenever the mod deletes a
> post. Of course, we will all be as drunk as a former 106.9
> mid day personality all the time then.
That's a great rule! I'll stop off at Costco tomorrow morning and stock up!
We'll have to come up with rules for some other things, too:
* If you can't receive Energy 92.7 and post about it more than once.
* Posts about why stations are switching to "Mexican language." (Mr. Eduardo will be our judge and jury for this one.)
* Posts about why [STATION] doesn't add a booster for [CERTAIN AREA].
This is all very tongue-in-cheek, by the way, just in case my close personal friend Boatrocker doesn't quite get it. ; )
D.J.
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