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ITC Delta 3 triggered start

littlejohn said:
Try connecting the wire you had on pin 12 to pin 13 instead. That's the realy contact which closes on the tertiary tone. You don't list Relay Common on the pinouts, I assume it is logic ground, which ios already connected. I'd also connect all three logic grunds together. The three sets of electronics may be isolated. (I last messed with Delta machines in 1980, my meory isn't all that good over 27 years,......)
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FIRST, lets determine exactly which machine you have, the pin outs are different! Then this should all make sense. When you have the correct machine, and wiring, if it still doesn't work, check the heads for cue response, and the caps, which if dried out, will prevent the cue from being "read". Also, since I think you indicated a three deck machine, are all of the cues not being read, or none at all. Also note, that the later machines have open collectors, and not relays..




ITC Cart Machine Pinouts

ITC 3D (Three Deck) Machines

Per the 3D manual (890-0004-000):

3D Reproducer Audio Output pin-out (J2A, J2B, J2C):

1 Mono Shield (Ground) (Left Channel Shield, stereo models)
3 Mono Audio Out (-) (Left Channel -, stereo models)
5 Mono Audio Out (+) (Left Channel +, stereo models)
2 Right Channel Shield (Ground)
4 Right Channel Audio Out (-) (left channel -, stereo models)
6 Right Channel Audio Out (+) (left channel +, stereo models)

Note - the same audio pinout in a 6-pin Cinch-Jones
connector is used for both playback output and record
input of AudiCord DL-series recorders and reproducers.
AudiCord uses a different remote-control connector, however.

ITC 3D Remote Control pin-out (J1A, J1B, J1C):
1 - Logic Common, Switch Ground
2 - Remote Start (Run Ground) - Normally Open Switch
3 - Remote Start (Ready Ground) - Normally Open Switch
4 - Remote Stop (Ready Ground) - Normally Open Switch
5 - Remote Stop (Stop Ground) - Normally Open Switch
6 - Remote Run Lamp Ground Circuit
7 - Remote Ready Lamp Ground Circuit
8 - +24 Volts
9-10 - Sec. Cue Relay Contacts (Normally Closed)
10-11 - Sec. Cue Relay Contacts (Normally Open)
12-13 - Tert. Cue Relay Contacts (Normally Open)
14-15 - Cue Audio - Unbalanced Audio Output from Cue preamplifier; High Impedance (10K Ohms or greater)

Delta Series Machines:

Per the Delta Series manual (dated 6/84):

Delta I, II, III Playback Remote Control pin-out:
1 - Logic Common, Switch Ground
2 - Remote Start (Run Ground)
3 - Remote Cue Switch
4 - Remote Cue Lamp
5 - Remote Stop (Stop Ground)
6 - Remote Run Lamp (Ground)
7 - Remote Read Lamp (Ground) - Follows ready lamp function,
when lamp is at ground. When lamp is on, signal is at ground.
When lamp is off, the open collector transistor is off.
CAUTION: ready ground follows condition of front panel
ready lamp. If ready lamp is strapped to flash ready
ground will change states synchronous with front panel ready
lamp. Maximum open circuit voltage is 25VDC, maximum
current at 200 ma.
8 - +5 Volts
9 - Auxilary Start Pulse - momentary (100 msec) pulse to
ground upon start of cartridge - open collector. May
be used to start an external clock or timer. Maximum
open circuit voltage is 25VDC, maximum current at 200 ma.
10 - Secondary Cue Relay (Open Collector) - 200 ma switching
current (sinking), maximum 25 VDC open circuit voltage,
switches to ground upon sensing of secondary cue.
11 - Secondary Cue Relay (Normally Open).
12 - Tertiary Cue Relay (Open Collector) - switches to
ground upon sensing of tertiary cue.
13 - Tertiary Cue Relay (Normally Open).
14 - Cue Audio Output - Nominal voltage is .5VRMS
15 - Cue Audio Ground

Delta IV Record Amplifier Remote Connector
1 - Primary (1 kHz) Cue Record
2 - NC
3 - Record Set Lamp
4 - Resord Set Switch
5-7 - NC
8 - Cue Audio Input Common
9 - Cue Audio Input
10 - Cue Bias (Remote Cue Record Switch)
11 - +5V Regulated
12 - Logic Common
13 - Primary (1 kHz) Cue Tone Defeat
14 - Tertiary (8 kHz) Cue Tone Record Switch
15 - Secondary (150 Hz) Cue Tone Record Switch

Delta IV Record Amp - to Playback Deck Interconnect
(J4 on the Delta IV) Cable PN 837-0035-002

1 - Cue Play Metering
2 - Right Play Metering
3 - Play Serial In / Record Serial Out
4 - Black wire, end-to-end, NC
5 - +14V
6 - Power Common
7 - Cue Record Head +
8 - Cue Record Head -
9 - Cue Record Head Shield
10 - Left/Mono Record Head Shield
11 - Left/Mono Record Head +
12 - Left/Mono Record Head -
13 - Left Play Metering
14 - Play Serial Out / Record Serial In
15 - Signal / Power 4 Common
16 - -30V
17 - +30V
18 - Logic Common
19 - Right/Mono Record Head Shield
20 - Right/Mono Record Head +
21 - Right/Mono Record Head -
22 - Blue wire, end-to-end, NC
23 - Reset
24 - Orange, goes to pin 6 of record logic card, then NC



Series 1 Machines:

Per the Series 1 manual (dated 7/90):

Playback Remote Control pin-out:
1 - Tertiary cue detect (open collector)
2 - Secondary cue detect (open collector)
3 - + 15 volt output
4 - N/C
5 - Stop switch
6 - Start switch
7 - Cue switch
8 - Stereo/mono select
9 - Optical sensor output
10 - Run lamp
11 - Ready lamp
12 - Auxiliary Start Pulse
13 - Cue lamp
14 - + 24 volt output
15 - Switch & lamp common
16 - Cue audio output
17 - Cue audio output common
18 through 24 - N/C
25 - External cue

Note: Open collector outputs can sink 500mA and are referenced to Lamp
common. Switch lines are active low, referenced to Switch common.

Record unit Remote Control pin-out:
1 - Common (for +24V)
2 - +24 volt output
3 - +15 volt output
4 - Cue switch common
5 - Secondary cue record switch
6 - Record set switch
7 - Primary cue record switch
8 - Tertiary cue record switch
9 - Cue audio common
10 - Cue audio input
11 through 13 - N/C
14 - Record set lamp
15 - Cue Bias On Switch

From the Series-1 manual addendum (dated 5/90), Audio connector pinout:

Playback
1 through 5 - Shield
6 Right channel audio (-)
7 Right channel audio (+)
8 Left channel audio (+)
9 Left channel audio (-)

Record
1 through 5 - Shield
6 Right channel audio (-)
7 Right channel audio (+)
8 Left channel audio (+)
9 Left channel audio (-)
 
knowbetter said:
littlejohn said:
Try connecting the wire you had on pin 12 to pin 13 instead. That's the realy contact which closes on the tertiary tone. You don't list Relay Common on the pinouts, I assume it is logic ground, which ios already connected. I'd also connect all three logic grunds together. The three sets of electronics may be isolated. (I last messed with Delta machines in 1980, my meory isn't all that good over 27 years,......)
Click to expand...

FIRST, lets determine exactly which machine you have, the pin outs are different! Then this should all make sense. When you have the correct machine, and wiring, if it still doesn't work, check the heads for cue response, and the caps, which if dried out, will prevent the cue from being "read". Also, since I think you indicated a three deck machine, are all of the cues not being read, or none at all. Also note, that the later machines have open collectors, and not relays..




ITC Cart Machine Pinouts

ITC 3D (Three Deck) Machines

Per the 3D manual (890-0004-000):

3D Reproducer Audio Output pin-out (J2A, J2B, J2C):

1 Mono Shield (Ground) (Left Channel Shield, stereo models)
3 Mono Audio Out (-) (Left Channel -, stereo models)
5 Mono Audio Out (+) (Left Channel +, stereo models)
2 Right Channel Shield (Ground)
4 Right Channel Audio Out (-) (left channel -, stereo models)
6 Right Channel Audio Out (+) (left channel +, stereo models)

Note - the same audio pinout in a 6-pin Cinch-Jones
connector is used for both playback output and record
input of AudiCord DL-series recorders and reproducers.
AudiCord uses a different remote-control connector, however.

ITC 3D Remote Control pin-out (J1A, J1B, J1C):
1 - Logic Common, Switch Ground
2 - Remote Start (Run Ground) - Normally Open Switch
3 - Remote Start (Ready Ground) - Normally Open Switch
4 - Remote Stop (Ready Ground) - Normally Open Switch
5 - Remote Stop (Stop Ground) - Normally Open Switch
6 - Remote Run Lamp Ground Circuit
7 - Remote Ready Lamp Ground Circuit
8 - +24 Volts
9-10 - Sec. Cue Relay Contacts (Normally Closed)
10-11 - Sec. Cue Relay Contacts (Normally Open)
12-13 - Tert. Cue Relay Contacts (Normally Open)
14-15 - Cue Audio - Unbalanced Audio Output from Cue preamplifier; High Impedance (10K Ohms or greater)

Delta Series Machines:

Per the Delta Series manual (dated 6/84):

Delta I, II, III Playback Remote Control pin-out:
1 - Logic Common, Switch Ground
2 - Remote Start (Run Ground)
3 - Remote Cue Switch
4 - Remote Cue Lamp
5 - Remote Stop (Stop Ground)
6 - Remote Run Lamp (Ground)
7 - Remote Read Lamp (Ground) - Follows ready lamp function,
when lamp is at ground. When lamp is on, signal is at ground.
When lamp is off, the open collector transistor is off.
CAUTION: ready ground follows condition of front panel
ready lamp. If ready lamp is strapped to flash ready
ground will change states synchronous with front panel ready
lamp. Maximum open circuit voltage is 25VDC, maximum
current at 200 ma.
8 - +5 Volts
9 - Auxilary Start Pulse - momentary (100 msec) pulse to
ground upon start of cartridge - open collector. May
be used to start an external clock or timer. Maximum
open circuit voltage is 25VDC, maximum current at 200 ma.
10 - Secondary Cue Relay (Open Collector) - 200 ma switching
current (sinking), maximum 25 VDC open circuit voltage,
switches to ground upon sensing of secondary cue.
11 - Secondary Cue Relay (Normally Open).
12 - Tertiary Cue Relay (Open Collector) - switches to
ground upon sensing of tertiary cue.
13 - Tertiary Cue Relay (Normally Open).
14 - Cue Audio Output - Nominal voltage is .5VRMS
15 - Cue Audio Ground

Delta IV Record Amplifier Remote Connector
1 - Primary (1 kHz) Cue Record
2 - NC
3 - Record Set Lamp
4 - Resord Set Switch
5-7 - NC
8 - Cue Audio Input Common
9 - Cue Audio Input
10 - Cue Bias (Remote Cue Record Switch)
11 - +5V Regulated
12 - Logic Common
13 - Primary (1 kHz) Cue Tone Defeat
14 - Tertiary (8 kHz) Cue Tone Record Switch
15 - Secondary (150 Hz) Cue Tone Record Switch

Delta IV Record Amp - to Playback Deck Interconnect
(J4 on the Delta IV) Cable PN 837-0035-002

1 - Cue Play Metering
2 - Right Play Metering
3 - Play Serial In / Record Serial Out
4 - Black wire, end-to-end, NC
5 - +14V
6 - Power Common
7 - Cue Record Head +
8 - Cue Record Head -
9 - Cue Record Head Shield
10 - Left/Mono Record Head Shield
11 - Left/Mono Record Head +
12 - Left/Mono Record Head -
13 - Left Play Metering
14 - Play Serial Out / Record Serial In
15 - Signal / Power 4 Common
16 - -30V
17 - +30V
18 - Logic Common
19 - Right/Mono Record Head Shield
20 - Right/Mono Record Head +
21 - Right/Mono Record Head -
22 - Blue wire, end-to-end, NC
23 - Reset
24 - Orange, goes to pin 6 of record logic card, then NC



Series 1 Machines:

Per the Series 1 manual (dated 7/90):

Playback Remote Control pin-out:
1 - Tertiary cue detect (open collector)
2 - Secondary cue detect (open collector)
3 - + 15 volt output
4 - N/C
5 - Stop switch
6 - Start switch
7 - Cue switch
8 - Stereo/mono select
9 - Optical sensor output
10 - Run lamp
11 - Ready lamp
12 - Auxiliary Start Pulse
13 - Cue lamp
14 - + 24 volt output
15 - Switch & lamp common
16 - Cue audio output
17 - Cue audio output common
18 through 24 - N/C
25 - External cue

Note: Open collector outputs can sink 500mA and are referenced to Lamp
common. Switch lines are active low, referenced to Switch common.

Record unit Remote Control pin-out:
1 - Common (for +24V)
2 - +24 volt output
3 - +15 volt output
4 - Cue switch common
5 - Secondary cue record switch
6 - Record set switch
7 - Primary cue record switch
8 - Tertiary cue record switch
9 - Cue audio common
10 - Cue audio input
11 through 13 - N/C
14 - Record set lamp
15 - Cue Bias On Switch

From the Series-1 manual addendum (dated 5/90), Audio connector pinout:

Playback
1 through 5 - Shield
6 Right channel audio (-)
7 Right channel audio (+)
8 Left channel audio (+)
9 Left channel audio (-)

Record
1 through 5 - Shield
6 Right channel audio (-)
7 Right channel audio (+)
8 Left channel audio (+)
9 Left channel audio (-)
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The cue detection and recording is fine. I can ear the relays sensing the recorded tones (both SEC and TER). Audio mutes upon the SEC, cart stops on the PRI. The cards had a pair of jumpers missing (150hz EOM setup). I soldered them for 8 khz EOM.
Pin 1+2 Starts the machine, pin 1+5 stops them.
Prior to that I tested the pinouts with a multimeter and couldn't manage to find any pinout on pin 12 or 13 closing any circuit on any other pin upon the TER detection... Should I throw the towell?
 
SFM-Ptgal said:
Problem solved and working as I wanted!!!! ;D

There was a missing jumper between PIN 13 and PIN 1 besides Littlejohn's suggestion ;)
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Congrats! 8) You're now the proud owner of a working piece of radio broadcasting history! Treat it with lots of TLC. :)

Oh... and another thing...

Can I buy it from you? ;D

R
 
Robert Bass said:
SFM-Ptgal said:
Problem solved and working as I wanted!!!! ;D

There was a missing jumper between PIN 13 and PIN 1 besides Littlejohn's suggestion ;)
Click to expand...

Congrats! 8) You're now the proud owner of a working piece of radio broadcasting history! Treat it with lots of TLC. :)

Oh... and another thing...

Can I buy it from you? ;D

R
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Eheh... Nope :p It took years to find that particular model machine. It makes part of my broadcast imaginary, from the time I worked with consumer devives on radio broadcast. Besides, heads aren't worned, so aren't the decks, and it has the CBC inventory number stamp on their back: HISTORY!!!! ;D... Yes, you're right, I must take care of it with lots of TLC. Parts are becoming quite rare... I don't want to happend the same that happened to my BE 5300 :'(
 
Alright since we're strapping cart machines in series... ;)

I have a BE Series 3000 and an ITC RP deck.

I want to follow Pedro's lead, by setting up play sequencing between the two decks, via the Tertiary cue tone.

I don't have a manual for the ITC deck, but it appears to match either the the ITC 3D or ITC Delta Series I, II and III machines. Pin 1 is ground, Pin 2 is play start, etc... It's using a 15 pin cinch Jones connector.

On the BE machine, I do have a manual. :) Pins 8 and 9 on the BE deck are the normally open 8 kHz contacts, and pin 13 is start control. Pin 14 is a ground pole.

I'm looking to sequence ITC Ter to BE Play, and then BE Ter to ITC play. I will just use the simple approach of leaving one deck unloaded to stop the sequencing.

So in theory I need to go from Pins 8 and 9 on the BE machine, to Pin 1 ground and pin 2 on the ITC deck. and from pins 12 and 13 on the ITC to pins 13 and 14 on the BE deck.

'Zat right or wrong? ;D

Thanks!

R
 
Robert Bass said:
Alright since we're strapping cart machines in series... ;)

I have a BE Series 3000 and an ITC RP deck.

I want to follow Pedro's lead, by setting up play sequencing between the two decks, via the Tertiary cue tone.

I don't have a manual for the ITC deck, but it appears to match either the the ITC 3D or ITC Delta Series I, II and III machines. Pin 1 is ground, Pin 2 is play start, etc... It's using a 15 pin cinch Jones connector.

On the BE machine, I do have a manual. :) Pins 8 and 9 on the BE deck are the normally open 8 kHz contacts, and pin 13 is start control. Pin 14 is a ground pole.

I'm looking to sequence ITC Ter to BE Play, and then BE Ter to ITC play. I will just use the simple approach of leaving one deck unloaded to stop the sequencing.

So in theory I need to go from Pins 8 and 9 on the BE machine, to Pin 1 ground and pin 2 on the ITC deck. and from pins 12 and 13 on the ITC to pins 13 and 14 on the BE deck.

'Zat right or wrong? ;D

Thanks!

R
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Does the ITC RP unit have standard XLR outputs? If not you should take care to the pinouts wich might differ from the Delta series...
 
SFM-Ptgal said:
Does the ITC RP unit have standard XLR outputs? If not you should take care to the pinouts wich might differ from the Delta series...
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Nope... 6 pin cinch Jones connectors. Since the play side remote jack is 15 pins, and since I have already confirmed jumping pin 1 to 2 initiates playback mode, I'm pretty sure the jack wiring diagram is the same as the 15 pin jacks on the 3D and Delta series machines.

R
 
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