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It's official - NY is Crappy Radio!!

reelyreal said:
Do you have a source for that? Because Clear Channel, Cumulus, and CBS all made money last quarter.
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And add in all the companies that have publicly available data, ranging from Townsquare to Saga to Salem and you have a generally profitable industry.

It's good to keep in mind that going back as 50's, per the annual FCC financial filings, about half of all US radio stations have always been unprofitable. But as an industry, radio is profitable, today, as always.
 
FredLeonard said:
But the industry isn't making money.
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False.

Management keeps making idiotic decisions that result in loosing money - long and short term.
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False

Station managers as a group are an incredible combination of stupidity, babbittry, hubris, arrogance and hypocrisy.
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Just as in bicycle tire manufacturers or hand tool makers, there are some great ones, some mediocre ones and some bad ones. The bad ones are eliminated by our old friend, "market forces".

They really don't know what they are doing.
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For every stupid move in radio, there are dozens of smart ones... like transitioning to new distribution channels as fast as possible.

Even worse, they don't know they don't know what they are doing. What do you expect? Mostly they are salesmen.
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So? Many sellers become very capable, profit-oriented managers. Very few are like Herb Tarlek in WKRP.
 
dcowboy7 said:
Wish there were no jocks ever.
They just:
- talk over the beginning lyrics of a song
- talk about stuff you dont care about
- they talk about day old stuff or just read the card droning on not really knowing the details of what they are talking about
- alot of times when they come on that means a commercial is next
- theyre just going to get fired & replaced by another talking head eventually anyways
- im listening for the music not the inane talk.
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So why do you bother listening at all, schmuck?
 
DavidEduardo said:


If CBS-FM programmed like WLNG it would have not listeners.
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Yes it would. Cut out most of the lost dog reports, the excessive news, weather and announcements and boom, you've got yourself a wonderful radio station that specializes in across-the-board classics. It would maintain a good audience that enjoys classic hits. It may not have the audience to make it a top notch station, like a CBS-FM or a KRTH, but it would have it's core listeners and others who enjoy music. A station like WLNG should be an alternative to limited playlist type stations, like CBS-FM in the NYC area, for a different perspective by the classic hits audiences. It'll work.
 
oldies76 said:
Yes it would. Cut out most of the lost dog reports, the excessive news, weather and announcements and boom, you've got yourself a wonderful radio station that specializes in across-the-board classics. It would maintain a good audience that enjoys classic hits. It may not have the audience to make it a top notch station, like a CBS-FM or a KRTH, but it would have it's core listeners and others who enjoy music. A station like WLNG should be an alternative to limited playlist type stations, like CBS-FM in the NYC area, for a different perspective by the classic hits audiences. It'll work.
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Use common sense... why would a station that is top 5 in 12+ and 25-54 go with a format that would be about 30th in 25-54, lose 90% or more of its billings and have very few overall listeners?

WLNG is not fundamentally a music station. So if you strip it of what makes it great, which is the local community information for the East End, it has no local value. It would go from the market's top biller to a relatively low biller and probably cease to be profitable.

And since the music alone is not the key to success for WLNG, doing a format for a broad range of ages that would be less attractive in New York City where there are dozens of options, would not work. WLNG, while in the NYC metro, is in an area beyond the reach of the NYC FM's, so it can do unique things due to limited competition... and no local ratings.

Did you know that WLNG, despite always being #1, never bought the Riverside / Hamptons book when it was being conducted because their community presence was all the ratings they needed?
 
Lol

I just like all the lazy boy arm chair quarterbacks !!!
 
JeffM said:
OK, you don't want to buy the music, and you don't want to listen to announcing either. So go ask your mommy to buy you a kazoo and learn to play it.
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I just want to listen to music on the radio with 0 djs & you should play the kazoo not do that other thing you do with it.
 
So hang out at the mall and listen to Muzak, you cheapskate. But wait until your third-grade class lets out; I don't want to be blamed for truancy.
 
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WLNG is a very small market community station, and the music is fill between what is really important... the local information and community announcements.[/SIZE][/FONT][/QUOTE]

10,000 titles is a fill?...Thank you once again Mister Know It All for your great insight, you should be the head of the FCC and the guru of all radio. You seem to add your 2 cents worth to everything, even though you are dead wrong over 90% of the time...
 
hangman said:
WLNG is a very small market community station, and the music is fill between what is really important... the local information and community announcements

10,000 titles is a fill?...Thank you once again Mister Know It All for your great insight, you should be the head of the FCC and the guru of all radio. You seem to add your 2 cents worth to everything, even though you are dead wrong over 90% of the time...
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It's fill precisely because the library is so large.

I had an opportunity to know Paul Sidney and was a long time member of the International Broadcasters Idea Bank which he and WLNG were also part of. If you had read the monthly reports from WLNG to the other members, going back to when WLNG was a 500 watt daytimer on 1600, that everything about the station had to do with its local involvement, news and related activities for the community.

WLNG is a community station that plays oldies. Not an oldies station that runs occasional local PSA announcements.
 
DavidEduardo said:


It's fill precisely because the library is so large.

I had an opportunity to know Paul Sidney and was a long time member of the International Broadcasters Idea Bank which he and WLNG were also part of. If you had read the monthly reports from WLNG to the other members, going back to when WLNG was a 500 watt daytimer on 1600, that everything about the station had to do with its local involvement, news and related activities for the community.

WLNG is a community station that plays oldies. Not an oldies station that runs occasional local PSA announcements.
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Yep agreed. The survival of small market depends on being community focused, with music being secondary. A good example of that is a associate who has a daytime AM (it does well) I have heard Brick House & Amazing grace during the broadcast day. People listen for local interviews, the swap shop, and funeral announcements, and local sports. They keep a full inventory
 
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