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Jack Doubters: Beware

Re: Wrong again, dude.

> >
> > My complaint with you, Sam, is that you refuse to accept
> > reality. It has been explained over and over and over to
> > you, by David E., myself, and several others, why Indie is
>
> > never going to be as great as you think it will.
>
>
>
> And your supposition that "Indie will never be be as great
> as you think" is somehow more founded in reality than my
> observation that Indie's numbers have risen?

The fact is that one or two extrapolated months do not make a consistent increase. There may be reweighting or sampling differences in Phase III, and it is possible that Indie is running a thenth or two above its previous level.

Considering that the stations in the top 5 wobble as muc as a point up and down, and don't read anything into it, I would not consider a tenth or tow on inde to be significant of anything other than the fact that this is what you get when you distribute 2,500 diaries per month in a market of 13 million.
 
Re: Who would buy and why?

> Assuming a buyer knows as much as you do. Why would they
> invest 60-100 million on a property that will only net them
> a few million a year?
>

Because there ar emore buyers than sellers and because there are many who think they have the secret to success. Just count the formats that have been on the frequency, and you can see how many optimists have had their dreams fail at 103.1.

I do think that there are Asian formats that would possibley make the investment worthwwhile, while having little competiton and low costs.
 
Re: Wrong again, dude.

I am also looking at the steady increase from the past 4 books.


>
> The fact is that one or two extrapolated months do not make
> a consistent increase. There may be reweighting or sampling
> differences in Phase III, and it is possible that Indie is
> running a thenth or two above its previous level.
>
> Considering that the stations in the top 5 wobble as muc as
> a point up and down, and don't read anything into it, I
> would not consider a tenth or tow on inde to be significant
> of anything other than the fact that this is what you get
> when you distribute 2,500 diaries per month in a market of
> 13 million.
>
 
right for once

FINALLY! You're starting to get it. DUH!
>
> And your supposition that "Indie will never be be as great
> as you think" is somehow more founded in reality than my
> observation that Indie's numbers have risen?
>
 
magic number

Yeah, man- finally cracked a 1.0 share. Now they're somewhere among the top
29 stations or so.

I echo KM from earlier- give us a break, man.

> I am also looking at the steady increase from the past 4
> books.

> >
> > The fact is that one or two extrapolated months do not
> make a consistent increase. There may be reweighting or
> sampling differences in Phase III, and it is possible that Indie is
> > running a thenth or two above its previous level.
> >
> > Considering that the stations in the top 5 wobble as muc
> as a point up and down, and don't read anything into it, I
> > would not consider a tenth or tow on inde to be
> significant of anything other than the fact that this is what you get
> > when you distribute 2,500 diaries per month in a market of
> > 13 million.
> >
>
 
is this maybe true?

And, David, I think you could make a case that MOST owners over-paid for stations during consolidation, correct?

>
> Because there ar emore buyers than sellers and because there
> are many who think they have the secret to success. Just
> count the formats that have been on the frequency, and you
> can see how many optimists have had their dreams fail at
> 103.1.
>
> I do think that there are Asian formats that would possibley
> make the investment worthwwhile, while having little
> competiton and low costs.
>
 
Re: Sad but true.

> >
> > I think you could run one for $2.5 million, but it would
> be
> > hard to compete - and it would probably have inexperienced
>
> > talent.
> >
> > Just my 2 cents.-
>
>
> That describes Indie exactly.

So, you agree that Indie is not a competitive station. Finally.<P ID="signature">______________


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Re: Wrong again, dude.

> I am also looking at the steady increase from the past 4
> books.

Winter 2004 was identical to Winter, 2005. The three intervening books were all, based on AQH persons, the same. There is no growth, just what appears to be better performance in Winter. Which may be explained by the lack of inversions, tropos and other coastal interference which whacks Indie terribly in Spring, Summer and Fall.
 
Re: Sad but true.

With it's signal and promotional budget, it will never be able to compete on an even playing field as KROQ or any other full market signal.

However, David has said it has about 1/3 - 1/2 market coverage as KROQ so with that in mind the number Indie has looks pretty good to KROQS number.

In Indies coverage area they are very comepetitive.




> > > I think you could run one for $2.5 million, but it would
>
> > be
> > > hard to compete - and it would probably have
> inexperienced
> >
> > > talent.
> > >
> > > Just my 2 cents.-
> >
> >
> > That describes Indie exactly.
>
> So, you agree that Indie is not a competitive station.
> Finally.
>
 
Re: and, the point is???=-You have no point

You sound like a bunch of little s. Like Eduardo, I've
actually programmed in the market, I love all these Monday
morning PD's (who did weekends somewhere or another) with
all their cliches.


WOW. Bold. Bravado. Stick your neck out! Make a
> prediction of the future!!!
>
> All very noble but hollow. It doesn't really matter what we
> predict. What actually happens is all that matters and
> NOBODY can predict the future.
>
> >
> > Let's get a little more bold here. Anyone can say "Jack
> > might be a success, or it might not. Only time will
> tell."
> > It's more fun to predict beforehand. Yes, nobody knows
> for
> > sure - that is the whole point. So what does everyone
> > think? I say Jack is a success for a good long time.
> >
>
 
Re: Sad but true.

> With it's signal and promotional budget, it will never be
> able to compete on an even playing field as KROQ or any
> other full market signal.
>
> However, David has said it has about 1/3 - 1/2 market
> coverage as KROQ so with that in mind the number Indie has
> looks pretty good to KROQS number.
>
> In Indies coverage area they are very comepetitive.

I've run the LA-SW area and the OC area, and KROQ dominates over Indie by several hundred percent. KROQ does not pick up a lot in LA Central, as it is predominantly Hispanic, so they get their numbers in OC, the Valley and SW more than SE and SW. There are distinct ethnic difference between the zones in the LA book.
 
huh?

golly gee, I've really been put in my place now.

(yawn)

> You sound like a bunch of little s. Like Eduardo, I've
> actually programmed in the market, I love all these Monday
> morning PD's (who did weekends somewhere or another) with
> all their cliches.
>
>
> WOW. Bold. Bravado. Stick your neck out! Make a
> > prediction of the future!!!
> >
> > All very noble but hollow. It doesn't really matter what
> we
> > predict. What actually happens is all that matters and
> > NOBODY can predict the future.
> >
> > >
> > > Let's get a little more bold here. Anyone can say "Jack
>
> > > might be a success, or it might not. Only time will
> > tell."
> > > It's more fun to predict beforehand. Yes, nobody knows
> > for
> > > sure - that is the whole point. So what does everyone
> > > think? I say Jack is a success for a good long time.
> > >
> >
>
 
Re: Sad but true.

> > With it's signal and promotional budget, it will never be
> > able to compete on an even playing field as KROQ or any
> > other full market signal.
> >
> > However, David has said it has about 1/3 - 1/2 market
> > coverage as KROQ so with that in mind the number Indie has
>
> > looks pretty good to KROQS number.
> >
> > In Indies coverage area they are very comepetitive.
>
> I've run the LA-SW area and the OC area, and KROQ dominates
> over Indie by several hundred percent. KROQ does not pick up
> a lot in LA Central, as it is predominantly Hispanic, so
> they get their numbers in OC, the Valley and SW more than SE
> and SW. There are distinct ethnic difference between the
> zones in the LA book.

Prediction: Sam won't take that as proof that he is wrong, and will continue trying to make authoritative statements that are not based in actual fact.

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Re: Wrong again, dude.

> > I am also looking at the steady increase from the past 4
> > books.
>
> Winter 2004 was identical to Winter, 2005. The three
> intervening books were all, based on AQH persons, the same.
> There is no growth, just what appears to be better
> performance in Winter. Which may be explained by the lack of
> inversions, tropos and other coastal interference which
> whacks Indie terribly in Spring, Summer and Fall.

Straws. Grasping. Sam.

Uninformed. Uncorrectable. Stubborn. Sam.

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OKAY, WE GET IT ALREADY!!!! GEEEZ!!!!

>
> Prediction: Sam won't take that as proof that he is wrong,
> and will continue trying to make authoritative statements
> that are not based in actual fact.
>

Post edited by moderator to remove violations of Radio-Info rule #5 while allowing discussion of non-violating portion.

Let me start by saying that I'm no fan of Indie 103.

I'm sure you and David have better things to do with your time than bicker with Sam and bash Indie 103. Speaking of David, I notice he contradicted himself yet again in the JACK FM post earlier this week. David has repeatedly lectured anyone who uses "I listen to..." or "I hear radios tuned to..." remarks to credit a station's audience, sayign that means nothing, yet when David was questioned about "jumping on the JACK bandwagon" following their recent uptrend, he defended himself by saying "I actually and immediately put it on a car button as my only English music choice." Hypocrital, yes?

<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by KMRichards on 06/24/05 12:44 AM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: OKAY, WE GET IT ALREADY!!!! GEEEZ!!!!

>
> I'm sure you and David have better things to do with your
> time than bicker with Sam and bash Indie 103. Speaking of
> David, I notice he contradicted himself yet again in the
> JACK FM post earlier this week. David has repeatedly
> lectured anyone who uses "I listen to..." or "I hear radios
> tuned to..." remarks to credit a station's audience, sayign
> that means nothing, yet when David was questioned about
> "jumping on the JACK bandwagon" following their recent
> uptrend, he defended himself by saying "I actually and
> immediately put it on a car button as my only English music
> choice." Hypocrital, yes?

That comment was not intended to substitute real ratings for anecdotal data. All I was doing was clarifying that a number of us who were being accused of initially dismissing Jack had not, in fact, done so. In fact, many of us found the concept intriguing and worthy of trial and analysis. That's all.
 
Re: Sad but true.

No,

That post basically states what we already know and what Ive already stated, that Indie's signal cannot compete with KROQ on an even playing field. That's not news.

If Indie is outsignaled by several hundred percent, and their 12+ is
more than a quarter than that of KROQ, and in some dayparts a half that of KROQ, then I'd say that in their coverage area they are doing quite well against KROQ.

As I've always stated, given an equal signal we'd be signing a different song here.

By the way, is it ok for Moderators to bash members by name?







> >
> > I've run the LA-SW area and the OC area, and KROQ
> dominates
> > over Indie by several hundred percent. KROQ does not pick
> up
> > a lot in LA Central, as it is predominantly Hispanic, so
> > they get their numbers in OC, the Valley and SW more than
> SE
> > and SW. There are distinct ethnic difference between the
> > zones in the LA book.
>
> Prediction: Sam won't take that as proof that he is wrong,
> and will continue trying to make authoritative statements
> that are not based in actual fact.
>
 
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