Jack FM is On The Air

[Givers]

its fighting with 97.3 in Guthrie but south its pretty good.

 

[rpmoose]

> its fighting with 97.3 in Guthrie but south its pretty good.

I was able to hear it in my car near Britton Rd & Broadway today.

 

[THEInsultant]

> > its fighting with 97.3 in Guthrie but south its pretty
> good.
>
> I was able to hear it in my car near Britton Rd & Broadway
> today.
>

"Jack-FM, playing a mix of music on a frequency no one would want.."

Signal, as predicted.. It's JACKED. The electric bill should be nice and low though, huh? At least it's got a smaller bill than the TV station that was also a very, very bad idea.

I can say is LOL.

You guys spent how much moving this damn thing in? Hahahahaha!
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[hello4]

> > its fighting with 97.3 in Guthrie but south its pretty
> good.
>
> I was able to hear it in my car near Britton Rd & Broadway
> today.
>
So are they really full-blown permanently on-the-air, or were the engineers just testing? I was all the way down to Cattleman's today and couldn't hear a thing but The House...and that's ALOT farther south than Britton!

 

[THEInsultant]

Re: Jack FM is On The Air, but can anyone hear it when it IS on? LOL!

> > > its fighting with 97.3 in Guthrie but south its pretty
> > good.
> >
> > I was able to hear it in my car near Britton Rd & Broadway
>
> > today.
> >
> So are they really full-blown permanently on-the-air, or
> were the engineers just testing? I was all the way down to
> Cattleman's today and couldn't hear a thing but The
> House...and that's ALOT farther south than Britton!
>

The engineers were testing, it seemed like. I heard various feeds and some dead-air. The House seems to interfere with them even in on the southside in certain spots. Needless to say, the translator is going to be a very big challenge for them in addition to just having no signal in areas. Without a doubt, it wasn't worth the expense to move this one in IMHO.

I wonder when they are going to turn it on full-time? KC, What say you?


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[Givers]

> > > its fighting with 97.3 in Guthrie but south its pretty
> > good.
> >
> > I was able to hear it in my car near Britton Rd & Broadway
>
> > today.
> >
>
> "Jack-FM, playing a mix of music on a frequency no one would
> want.."
>
> Signal, as predicted.. It's JACKED. The electric bill
> should be nice and low though, huh? At least it's got a
> smaller bill than the TV station that was also a very, very
> bad idea.
>
> I can say is LOL.
>
> You guys spent how much moving this damn thing in?
> Hahahahaha!
>
Ouch! I here they got ripped off on the TV Transmitter to.

 

[hello4]

> I wonder when they are going to turn it on full-time?

I guess it's time! It's better than I expected from what's been anticipated on these boards. 39th Expressway was fine, and it got a little fluttery once I was up around Hefner and Council, but all in all it's still decent. But I live on the north side of my apartment building (at the latter location), and it's not listenable within; but I don't have an external antenna, so that's a good part of the problem.

 

[Givers]

> > I wonder when they are going to turn it on full-time?
>
> I guess it's time! It's better than I expected from what's
> been anticipated on these boards. 39th Expressway was fine,
> and it got a little fluttery once I was up around Hefner and
> Council, but all in all it's still decent. But I live on
> the north side of my apartment building (at the latter
> location), and it's not listenable within; but I don't have
> an external antenna, so that's a good part of the problem.
>
I wonder how BOB is going to react? Randy can take a crap Signal and make it sound like a 100K, Look at ol 97.1 Translator I think it was a one bay and he had that thing cooking.

 

[THEInsultant]

> > > I wonder when they are going to turn it on full-time?
> >
> > I guess it's time! It's better than I expected from
> what's
> > been anticipated on these boards. 39th Expressway was
> fine,
> > and it got a little fluttery once I was up around Hefner
> and
> > Council, but all in all it's still decent. But I live on
> > the north side of my apartment building (at the latter
> > location), and it's not listenable within; but I don't
> have
> > an external antenna, so that's a good part of the problem.
>
> >
> I wonder how BOB is going to react? Randy can take a crap
> Signal and make it sound like a 100K, Look at ol 97.1
> Translator I think it was a one bay and he had that thing
> cooking.
>

Indeed... Randy is about the best there is in getting something that's not "supposed" to work to work just fine. That 106.7 signal preforms better than some 100k's around here. With the God-Channel translator in Guthrie off the air, it seems a LOT better at 97.3. It is a car-radio station and has some blend-to-mono spots going on in most of the metro, especially north, but for 1k, its as good as it'll get. At this point, it's better than I expected, but it was still a bad idea to move it in. The amount of solid coverage that is sellable can't equal how much it cost to move it in. Like channel 30, it was a bad idea. BTW.. Someone aught to tell ABC their audio SUCKS. (can you say, over-use of a Compellor?!) I heard 97.3 testing with various sources when they were still messing with things the day before turning it on full-time and the cds they were playing sounded great. When they switched to the ABC's Jack audio is was quite JACKED. LOL! I've heard their feed in other towns too and it's just the crap they put out, not the local stations.












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[hello4]

Well, that's promising that you heard CDs...maybe they are going to go local eventually, and just use the feed in overnights or such. The segues between the feed and the local spots are a bit clinky, so it'd be nice to have that banished to the mightnight hours. So the Guthrie translator did bite the dust? Or just lower their power even further?

And I hate to tell all y'all purists, but the average listener isn't fazed by blend-to-mono sucky over-compelled audio! And nor is every business decision based on the ability to rake in cash. I'm absolutely not as pessimistic as many of you are about its salability; but even having a deleterious effect, however minor or major it may be, on the other clusters is worth it psychologically. As one of the Jack liners said last night: "To the other radio stations in town...hah! caught you listening!".

 

[Mic-0ne]

> Well, that's promising that you heard CDs...maybe they are
> going to go local eventually, and just use the feed in
> overnights or such. The segues between the feed and the
> local spots are a bit clinky, so it'd be nice to have that
> banished to the mightnight hours. So the Guthrie translator
> did bite the dust? Or just lower their power even further?
>
>
> And I hate to tell all y'all purists, but the average
> listener isn't fazed by blend-to-mono sucky over-compelled
> audio! And nor is every business decision based on the
> ability to rake in cash. I'm absolutely not as pessimistic
> as many of you are about its salability; but even having a
> deleterious effect, however minor or major it may be, on the
> other clusters is worth it psychologically. As one of the
> Jack liners said last night: "To the other radio stations
> in town...hah! caught you listening!".
> Damn Skippy they are listening...and sweating.
I say scrap the whole idea of JACK, hire talent that won't kill the buget right off and hit BOB,KRXO and the KATT where it hurts, then see what format turns up next. Everyone is right on one thing, Randy AND Scott worked their BADONKADONKS off getting this thing ready, and if past experiences with format and ratings hasn't proved that the the Tylers and Company can't come out smelling like a rose on this one.....LIKE THE WEATHER, STICK AROUND A FEW MINUTES.

 

[THEInsultant]

> > Well, that's promising that you heard CDs...maybe they are
>
> > going to go local eventually, and just use the feed in
> > overnights or such. The segues between the feed and the
> > local spots are a bit clinky, so it'd be nice to have that
>
> > banished to the mightnight hours. So the Guthrie
> translator
> > did bite the dust? Or just lower their power even
> further?
> >
> >
> > And I hate to tell all y'all purists, but the average
> > listener isn't fazed by blend-to-mono sucky over-compelled
>
> > audio! And nor is every business decision based on the
> > ability to rake in cash. I'm absolutely not as
> pessimistic
> > as many of you are about its salability; but even having a
>
> > deleterious effect, however minor or major it may be, on
> the
> > other clusters is worth it psychologically. As one of the
>
> > Jack liners said last night: "To the other radio stations
>
> > in town...hah! caught you listening!".
> > Damn Skippy they are listening...and sweating.
> I say scrap the whole idea of JACK, hire talent that won't
> kill the buget right off and hit BOB,KRXO and the KATT where
> it hurts, then see what format turns up next. Everyone is
> right on one thing, Randy AND Scott worked their
> BADONKADONKS off getting this thing ready, and if past
> experiences with format and ratings hasn't proved that the
> the Tylers and Company can't come out smelling like a rose
> on this one.....LIKE THE WEATHER, STICK AROUND A FEW
> MINUTES.
>

Randy and Scott are some of the very best out there, without a doubt. I feel that the Tyler boys have made an error with this format though. The coverage vs. format isn't a good mix. There are too many other places that have signals to get the same music. Most people have presets on their car stereo (the place where 97.3 even works!) so if a person wants "variety" they can just keep punching around the commercial marathons on the full-powered stations. Why listen though static? Now, the area is covers, the real use for that station would be either a talk/sports/news Spanish station, a older Spanish format like 97.1 in Dallas, or a mix of both. With two FM Spanish stations, the Tylers would be able to combo sell and kick the other guys to the curb. For the life of me, I just don't see why they can't see that. Hasn't 106.7 been the best damn thing they ever did in modern time, even better in many ways than the KKNG project? Guys, don't you make more on Spanish than anything else?

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[Mic-0ne]

> > > Well, that's promising that you heard CDs...maybe they
> are
> >
> > > going to go local eventually, and just use the feed in
> > > overnights or such. The segues between the feed and the
>
> > > local spots are a bit clinky, so it'd be nice to have
> that
> >
> > > banished to the mightnight hours. So the Guthrie
> > translator
> > > did bite the dust? Or just lower their power even
> > further?
> > >
> > >
> > > And I hate to tell all y'all purists, but the average
> > > listener isn't fazed by blend-to-mono sucky
> over-compelled
> >
> > > audio! And nor is every business decision based on the
> > > ability to rake in cash. I'm absolutely not as
> > pessimistic
> > > as many of you are about its salability; but even having
> a
> >
> > > deleterious effect, however minor or major it may be, on
>
> > the
> > > other clusters is worth it psychologically. As one of
> the
> >
> > > Jack liners said last night: "To the other radio
> stations
> >
> > > in town...hah! caught you listening!".
> > > Damn Skippy they are listening...and sweating.
> > I say scrap the whole idea of JACK, hire talent that won't
>
> > kill the buget right off and hit BOB,KRXO and the KATT
> where
> > it hurts, then see what format turns up next. Everyone is
> > right on one thing, Randy AND Scott worked their
> > BADONKADONKS off getting this thing ready, and if past
> > experiences with format and ratings hasn't proved that the
>
> > the Tylers and Company can't come out smelling like a rose
>
> > on this one.....LIKE THE WEATHER, STICK AROUND A FEW
> > MINUTES.
> >
>
> Randy and Scott are some of the very best out there, without
> a doubt. I feel that the Tyler boys have made an error with
> this format though. The coverage vs. format isn't a good
> mix. There are too many other places that have signals to
> get the same music. Most people have presets on their car
> stereo (the place where 97.3 even works!) so if a person
> wants "variety" they can just keep punching around the
> commercial marathons on the full-powered stations. Why
> listen though static? Now, the area is covers, the real use
> for that station would be either a talk/sports/news Spanish
> station, a older Spanish format like 97.1 in Dallas, or a
> mix of both. With two FM Spanish stations, the Tylers would
> be able to combo sell and kick the other guys to the curb.
> For the life of me, I just don't see why they can't see
> that. Hasn't 106.7 been the best damn thing they ever did
> in modern time, even better in many ways than the KKNG
> project? Guys, don't you make more on Spanish than anything
> else?
>
>It's what happens between the music that is the magic of radio, the reaction of listener and jock...pretty simple. Find talent who relates to the listener and give a little lattitude in programming and you have MAGIC...HHUUMM...NOW THERE'S A THOUGHT.

 

[hello4]

I hate to prick everyone's ego, but as any regular of this board has probably observed, I couldn't give less of a crap about anything but the music mix. Lord knows I've read it two million times: jocks rhapsodizing about listening with their transistors under the covers to "so-and-so", "so-and-so", and "so-and-so" and being inspired to get into the biz. Well, some people just listen for music, and don't have a "bonding experience" with the "man in the box". When does the average listener "punch around"? When the chatter starts. Yes, I'm not denying there are audiences out there for "air personalities", but it's not the be-all end-all of radio. I am known to listen to people here and there, but there's certainly no one who is or has ever been "appointment radio". I haven't done that since KJ stopped carrying "Rock Over London" ages ago, and that was listened to because of the music as well, not the host. I'm going to give Jack more TSL while they're jockless than when and if they "drop the FM i-Pod" strategem and start filling their frequency with the same-ol same-ol chat. Jocks are fine in passing, especially when they have something relevant to say; but I can absolutely live without 'em.

Why listen through static? Because you like the song. Again, this audio fidelity fixation y'all have is for radiophiles only, not the general public. Find something new to rant about. I really don't understand why anybody cares whether the Tylers take a bath on this or not. If you had the dinero and put on what your oh-so-certain formatic ideas are, I trust you'd love to hear everybody carping about what an idiot you are for not doing what THEY think is best. Like the old TV adage--if you don't like what's on, turn the channel. And finally, I'm not motivated enough to do an actual accounting of it, but I would say easily 35% of Jack's songs AREN'T played elsewhere, so your "give a punch to the 100kwers" theory is nonsense at best. That's half the problem with the feed--it's hamstrung with songs which other stations in town DO play to obnoxia. I heard "We Are Family" the other day; Magic has burned that one to a nubbin already, thank you. A little localized programming could remove dross such as that.

 

[THEInsultant]

> I hate to prick everyone's ego, but as any regular of this
> board has probably observed, I couldn't give less of a crap
> about anything but the music mix. Lord knows I've read it
> two million times: jocks rhapsodizing about listening with
> their transistors under the covers to "so-and-so",
> "so-and-so", and "so-and-so" and being inspired to get into
> the biz. Well, some people just listen for music, and don't
> have a "bonding experience" with the "man in the box". When
> does the average listener "punch around"? When the chatter
> starts. Yes, I'm not denying there are audiences out there
> for "air personalities", but it's not the be-all end-all of
> radio. I am known to listen to people here and there, but
> there's certainly no one who is or has ever been
> "appointment radio". I haven't done that since KJ stopped
> carrying "Rock Over London" ages ago, and that was listened
> to because of the music as well, not the host. I'm going to
> give Jack more TSL while they're jockless than when and if
> they "drop the FM i-Pod" strategem and start filling their
> frequency with the same-ol same-ol chat. Jocks are fine in
> passing, especially when they have something relevant to
> say; but I can absolutely live without 'em.
>
> Why listen through static? Because you like the song.
> Again, this audio fidelity fixation y'all have is for
> radiophiles only, not the general public. Find something
> new to rant about. I really don't understand why anybody
> cares whether the Tylers take a bath on this or not. If you
> had the dinero and put on what your oh-so-certain formatic
> ideas are, I trust you'd love to hear everybody carping
> about what an idiot you are for not doing what THEY think is
> best. Like the old TV adage--if you don't like what's on,
> turn the channel. And finally, I'm not motivated enough to
> do an actual accounting of it, but I would say easily 35% of
> Jack's songs AREN'T played elsewhere, so your "give a punch
> to the 100kwers" theory is nonsense at best. That's half
> the problem with the feed--it's hamstrung with songs which
> other stations in town DO play to obnoxia. I heard "We Are
> Family" the other day; Magic has burned that one to a nubbin
> already, thank you. A little localized programming could
> remove dross such as that.
>

The public isn't hung up on audio quality, but STATIC or lots of noise, etc. WILL loose audience in a hurried way. So although I have to agree that the public isn't the pickiest on quality, they won't listen though crap. They just punch out and you've lost them. For a station that has poor to NO portable radio/ tabletop radio coverage north of I-40, you seem to think they have a fighting chance. I feel you're a variety hits fan, and are just being a bit sensitive to me picking your your format choice.

I could give a crap what the Tylers do. This is a radio discussion board, and quite frankly I am giving an opinion here on how STUPID they are in their format selection. Mark my words now. They will not have much success with this format. As an alternitive to their stupidity, doing the right Spanish-language format would be a way to make that sorry signal of 97.3 be useful. Once again, I could care less what they do at Tylerland. It's just a casual observation of someone that knows Jacked-up-FM via the bird isn't going to cut it.

Now, you do have something right in your previous statement. Being on the bird isn't going to help them a bit. Not only will they not be able to restrict songs off their list that are overplayed on other stations, they also can't play local favorites. All I can say is good luck. Two years from this date we'll see how "great" their successes will be on this thing. My guess: no dice. Maybe some jumping beans, but no dice.

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[hello4]

I give up, I guess. Commute time is a major component of ratings, and its signal covers the third-largest city in the state, plus half of the largest; so if you think they have no "fighting chance", then only the Spring '08 book will tell. I'll eat my words if you'll eat yours.

And I'm full of formats of choice; variety hits is but one option. I am a "fan" of anything that would break up the unmitigated stagnancy of this market for the last 10 years. A third spanish station does not appeal to a unilingual person such as myself; much less is there enough of an audience. But I would certainly rather spread my cluster's salability out with a new branch of listenership than attempt to snatch format exclusivity and force Citadel out. Where's the intrigue in having a chokehold? Isn't it more fun to battle with the competition? Now they've got something else to dig at the other three with. I would think KOJK and KKNG are certainly a demo-covering sales combo.

Now this litany of esoteric frou frou you and others espouse for what they "should've done" with 97.3, outside of spanish, would be just smashing for an HD side channel; but YOU'RE the folks living in a fantasy world if you think any one with a scoche of business sense would commit to some of that on a primary frequency. Like it or not, mass-appeal pays the bills. Lord have mercy, feel free to pick on the conglomerates, but give the local operators a break. That's what's so dispiriting about all the hateful naysaying: it's a miracle to have the blessing of two local operators, but in your eyes they're as big a failure as CC, Citadel, and Renda. Bottom line: if it isn't owned and run and programmed by you, it blows.

But again, I give up. I recently got burned out at work trying to get people to see things another way, and vowed I was going to stop trying. Same goes for here now; slam and trash all you like, I'm just going to move on to the next post. We'll see how things shake out; I won't say I told you so, but if you're right, I'm certain you'll be tooting your horn the minute the ratings are out.

 

[wedgewood]

> Bottom line: if it isn't owned and run and programmed by you, it blows.

That sums up pretty much every opinion on this board.

97.3 is just a tough signal. If I were them, I would find a format and target the Norman area. Just sell in Norman. OKC's a tough deal.

I don't think the Tylers' are at fault for Jack's programming. ABC is at fault.

 

[THEInsultant]

> > Bottom line: if it isn't owned and run and programmed by
> you, it blows.
>
> That sums up pretty much every opinion on this board.
>
> 97.3 is just a tough signal. If I were them, I would find a
> format and target the Norman area. Just sell in Norman.
> OKC's a tough deal.

Absolutely agreed! If they targeted the NORMAN market and college kids, at least they'd have something. To set the record straight, I DISSLIKE putting yet another Spanish-language station on the air. Strickly looking at it as a business, I have to know that 97.3 would make it's owner the most bucks doing the proper Spanish format. It's not that I like the format. I would certainly not be a listener.

>
> I don't think the Tylers' are at fault for Jack's
> programming. ABC is at fault.
>

Once again, agreed. What is their fault is selecting a format that's on the bird that doesn't fit the market. That we can pin on the boys.

MARK MY WORDS FOLKS. IT WON'T WORK. One year from now, even if they get a quick spike, it'll be a non-issue. Either they'll be gone on to something else or it'll be so far down no one will care.

For the record also, there are LOTS of formats out there that I don't care for. What I like doesn't really matter. It's what the public will support that matters, and how much money an owner can make selling ads to clients that bring in sales for them. There's several formats I'd like to see in this market, but they'll likely never make it here. That's because they aren't mass appeal enough to be considered. Let's just hope the HD2 stuff allows for a bit more creativity. To me Jack is a just a mixture of more of the same anyway.

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[Mic-0ne]

> > > Bottom line: if it isn't owned and run and programmed
> by
> > you, it blows.
> >
> > That sums up pretty much every opinion on this board.
> >
> > 97.3 is just a tough signal. If I were them, I would find
> a
> > format and target the Norman area. Just sell in Norman.
> > OKC's a tough deal.
>
> Absolutely agreed! If they targeted the NORMAN market and
> college kids, at least they'd have something. To set the
> record straight, I DISSLIKE putting yet another
> Spanish-language station on the air. Strickly looking at it
> as a business, I have to know that 97.3 would make it's
> owner the most bucks doing the proper Spanish format. It's
> not that I like the format. I would certainly not be a
> listener.
>
>I wonder where we would have wound up, if the chances were not taken when the idea of changing KIXXY 96 into POWERHOUSE 96-X? Andy Lockridge and Dan Stroud must have heard some of the same things as posted here. I remember folks telling Andy "HE" was crazy for trying to defeat the X when he parted and wound up at the now mighty KATT, (told ya it was a pretty good station).
Hats off to anyone with the brass tacks to stick it to the man, even if he is the man, sticking it to himself.
Or two Men sticking it to themselves, DANG, now this has turned into BrokeBack Radio.


> >
> > I don't think the Tylers' are at fault for Jack's
> > programming. ABC is at fault.
> >
>
> Once again, agreed. What is their fault is selecting a
> format that's on the bird that doesn't fit the market. That
> we can pin on the boys.
>
> MARK MY WORDS FOLKS. IT WON'T WORK. One year from now,
> even if they get a quick spike, it'll be a non-issue.
> Either they'll be gone on to something else or it'll be so
> far down no one will care.
>
> For the record also, there are LOTS of formats out there
> that I don't care for. What I like doesn't really matter.
> It's what the public will support that matters, and how much
> money an owner can make selling ads to clients that bring in
> sales for them. There's several formats I'd like to see in
> this market, but they'll likely never make it here. That's
> because they aren't mass appeal enough to be considered.
> Let's just hope the HD2 stuff allows for a bit more
> creativity. To me Jack is a just a mixture of more of the
> same anyway.
>
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[ms7168]

They must have done something. My Nakamichi sitting here beside my computer was getting them with 2 bars of signal and now it's getting full signal just as it does with the 100,000 watters.

In the car though I lost them when I made a trip to Quail Springs the other day.

Amazingly though I got them on my portable radio in the bathroom. I couldn't believe that.

I live close to NW50th and Meridian.