JACK is already tweaking...

[RadioNation]

When JACK-FM signed on just about a month ago, it was pretty much a mix of music with an emphasis on variety hits. But i'd say over the last couple of weeks, it has turned into an almost full blown Hot/Modern Rock based AC which I think will give its sister station WXRK some challeneges.

Example: Both stations play Tom Petty, Nirvana, AC/DC, U2, Black Sabbath, Aerosmith in HEAVY doses.

How will this affect the NY Radio Landscape? Any chance to hear someone "living" on 101.1??

 

[wmgcbs]

"When JACK-FM signed on just about a month ago, it was pretty much a mix of music with an emphasis on variety hits. But i'd say over the last couple of weeks, it has turned into an almost full blown Hot/Modern Rock based AC which I think will give its sister station WXRK some challeneges."

You've got to laugh! WXRK is already underperforming! Why endanger it even more with JACK? Unless Infinity chooses to flip WXRK's format after Howard Stern's departure, they will, ultimately, just be shooting themselves in the foot.

If they leave WXRK and JACK just the way they are right now, it will be very interesting to watch the NYC radio scene start to crumble before our eyes (As if it hasn't enough over the past few weeks!!!)

 

[kevinsealy]

> When JACK-FM signed on just about a month ago, it was pretty
> much a mix of music with an emphasis on variety hits. But
> i'd say over the last couple of weeks, it has turned into an
> almost full blown Hot/Modern Rock based AC which I think
> will give its sister station WXRK some challeneges.
>
> Example: Both stations play Tom Petty, Nirvana, AC/DC, U2,
> Black Sabbath, Aerosmith in HEAVY doses.


RadioNation:


>>>But i'd say over the last couple of weeks, it has turned into an
almost full blown Hot/Modern Rock based AC which I think
will give its sister station WXRK some challeneges. Example: Both stations play Tom Petty, Nirvana, AC/DC, U2,
Black Sabbath, Aerosmith in HEAVY doses.<<<

Nirvana and AC/DC are NO WAY considered AC.

Tom Petty and U2 by today's standards can pass for Adult Contemporary. Even 25 years ago some of Tom Petty's songs crossed over into the AC format.U2 back in the mid 80 was more uptempo AC.



Thanks,
Kevin L. Sealy



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[autopaint-1]

>
> If they leave WXRK and JACK just the way they are right now,
> it will be very interesting to watch the NYC radio scene
> start to crumble before our eyes (As if it hasn't enough
> over the past few weeks!!!)


Maybe they're smarter than we give them credit for. I wonder if the rumour that Manhattan and the boroughs are going to be majority white male with midwestern musical tastes any day now is true. you wonder if these genious's have ever been outside of midtown to places like Jerome avenue in the south Bronx (for anything other than a Yankees game) of Corona or Williamsburgh. Oh that's right, Those aren't really NYC, silly me. What, Darien isn't part of NYC? What a shock!!

 

[peppertree]

You don't get it. These guys are in Dallas, Texas. They are calling the shots for a New York City station from Texas. They don't know their way around Manhattan, so how can they be expected to even be able to point which direction a borough is and which way New Jersey is?


>
> Maybe they're smarter than we give them credit for. I wonder
> if the rumour that Manhattan and the boroughs are going to
> be majority white male with midwestern musical tastes any
> day now is true. you wonder if these genious's have ever
> been outside of midtown to places like Jerome avenue in the
> south Bronx (for anything other than a Yankees game) of
> Corona or Williamsburgh. Oh that's right, Those aren't
> really NYC, silly me. What, Darien isn't part of NYC? What a
> shock!!
>
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[autopaint-1]

> You don't get it. These guys are in Dallas, Texas. They
> are calling the shots for a New York City station from
> Texas. They don't know their way around Manhattan, so how
> can they be expected to even be able to point which
> direction a borough is and which way New Jersey is?
>


I think that's what I said.

 

[Joseph_Gallant]

RadioNation asks:

> Any chance to hear someone "living" on 101.1??

I doubt it.

Most "Jack"-type formats do not have live announcers.

Supposedely, the idea of "Jack"-type formats is a wide variety of music, a huge playlist, and music, music, music with no live announcers, newscasts, weather reports, etc.

 

[RobertGoldberg]

> RadioNation asks:
>
> > Any chance to hear someone "living" on 101.1??
>
> I doubt it.
>
> Most "Jack"-type formats do not have live announcers.
>
> Supposedely, the idea of "Jack"-type formats is a wide
> variety of music, a huge playlist, and music, music, music
> with no live announcers, newscasts, weather reports, etc.
>


Not true. They only start off that way. Most Jack stations that have been on the air for more than a few months do have announcers.

 

[RobertGoldberg]

What makes you think this station is aiming for people on Jerome Ave? CBS FM covers more than just the Bronx, Brooklyn or Queens.

 

[autopaint-1]

> What makes you think this station is aiming for people on
> Jerome Ave? CBS FM covers more than just the Bronx,
> Brooklyn or Queens.
>
Of course it isn't aimed at a "Inner City" audience. The point I was attempting to make was that those in charge of this station DO NOT KNOW THE MARKET they are attempting to serve. Living in and working in NYC I can say with some authority that musically speaking; playing the type of music that WCBS FM is playing (Mostly white pop tunes) won't work. In this part of the country, the "urban" stations get their huge numbers, not strictly from a "minority" audience. There are huge numnbers of young suburban whites who prefer Black music. If you as a listener could choose between the current incarnation of 101.1 and say, WXRK (which after Stern gets mediocre numbers) or a WPLJ or a WAXQ or some suburban station, which would you choose? The Beastie Boys won't work in NYC. They're already subdividing a dwindling pie. WCBS FM used to be played in stores and public areas all over the region. People heard the station and the commercials whenever they walked into a store in NY. No longer, I still shop in NY and all the stores I've been in, which had used WCBS FM as backgound source for music, switched to alternate stations. Not one business kept 101.1 on their system. I am a 49 years old white male who owns a 40 gig I-Pod and I choose what I want to hear, when I want to hear it. The I-Pod musically is the current version of the car stereo tape deck. The difference is the ease of use and the numbers of players in the field. I have well over 3,000 songs currently on my I-pod and no dupes. Musically, no station could possibly compete. The I-Pod serves it's purpose but it doesn't replace the radio. The radio to me is more than a juke box. I believe the current group of people running these radio stations will consult themselves right out of a job before too long.

 

[Fozzie]

> > What makes you think this station is aiming for people on
> > Jerome Ave? CBS FM covers more than just the Bronx,
> > Brooklyn or Queens.
> >
> Of course it isn't aimed at a "Inner City" audience. The
> point I was attempting to make was that those in charge of
> this station DO NOT KNOW THE MARKET they are attempting to
> serve. Living in and working in NYC I can say with some
> authority that musically speaking; playing the type of music
> that WCBS FM is playing (Mostly white pop tunes) won't work.
> In this part of the country, the "urban" stations get their
> huge numbers, not strictly from a "minority" audience.

Hey...you have a point. I'm a pasty white woman that happens lives in the Bronx, who once was a goth and has no children to drive around to soccer--and I'm the minority. The Power 105/Hot 97/La Kalle audience can keep what they've got with my blessings. Now where's my pure alternative FM station?

> The Beastie Boys won't work in NYC.

You do know they're from here...right?

Anyway, there are more fans of music you might not like than you realize. It's something I have to deal with all the time. There used to be different stations for different tastes and I don't think they were *all* out to finish each other off. It sucks that I'm old enough to remember that.

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[autopaint-1]

>
> > The Beastie Boys won't work in NYC.
>
> You do know they're from here...right?
>
> Anyway, there are more fans of music you might not like than
> you realize. It's something I have to deal with all the
> time. There used to be different stations for different
> tastes and I don't think they were *all* out to finish each
> other off. It sucks that I'm old enough to remember that.
>
Time will tell and I do not intend to debate every line of text with you or anyone else on this board. I believe like every fad format this will fail. As to the Beastie Boys being from NY, what does that have to do with anything? The Ramones are from the NY area too. Means nothing. NY is a rhythm ethnic city. Look at the number of stations programing that type of music and their overall numbers. Compare those numbers with those of what WCBS FM had. the only reason WXRK has any numbers is because of Stern. Broadcasters try to reach the largest audience they can. We'll see in a few weeks what kind of numbers the new format garners.

 

[MoldaMania182]

> only reason WXRK has any numbers is because of Stern.

not really true...while Stern is the draw...the format numbers are becuase the station does better in suburbia NYC like NJ, CT and LI then NYC itself...thus helping its overall numbers. (as mentioned by Booker as well)

 

[OldiesCat]

JACK targeting

there are several million non-ethnics living in the greater New York area.
Quite a few stations target non-whites, so just because JACK is targeting
suburban adults over 30 doesn't mean they won't have success.

glad you know "it won't work"- being such a visionary, you should be a radio executive so you can prevent format changes you know "won't work".


> Living in and working in NYC I can say with some
> authority that musically speaking; playing the type of music
> that WCBS FM is playing (Mostly white pop tunes) won't work.
> In this part of the country, the "urban" stations get their
> huge numbers, not strictly from a "minority" audience. There
> are huge numnbers of young suburban whites who prefer Black
> music. If you as a listener could choose between the current
> incarnation of 101.1 and say, WXRK (which after Stern gets
> mediocre numbers) or a WPLJ or a WAXQ or some suburban
> station, which would you choose? The Beastie Boys won't work
> in NYC. They're already subdividing a dwindling pie. WCBS FM
> used to be played in stores and public areas all over the
> region. People heard the station and the commercials
> whenever they walked into a store in NY. No longer, I still
> shop in NY and all the stores I've been in, which had used
> WCBS FM as backgound source for music, switched to alternate
> stations. Not one business kept 101.1 on their system. I am
> a 49 years old white male who owns a 40 gig I-Pod and I
> choose what I want to hear, when I want to hear it. The
> I-Pod musically is the current version of the car stereo
> tape deck. The difference is the ease of use and the numbers
> of players in the field. I have well over 3,000 songs
> currently on my I-pod and no dupes. Musically, no station
> could possibly compete. The I-Pod serves it's purpose but it
> doesn't replace the radio. The radio to me is more than a
> juke box. I believe the current group of people running
> these radio stations will consult themselves right out of a
> job before too long.
>

 

[autopaint-1]

Re: JACK targeting

> there are several million non-ethnics living in the greater
> New York area.
> Quite a few stations target non-whites, so just because JACK
> is targeting
> suburban adults over 30 doesn't mean they won't have
> success.
>
> glad you know "it won't work"- being such a visionary, you
> should be a radio executive so you can prevent format
> changes you know "won't work".
>
>
I have over 30 years of commercial radio experience, most of it in NYC. I have my own opinions and if you understood what I said, you'd know that I am not suggesting that Infintiy program CBS FM for a "minority" audience. I do say though with many years of commercial broadcast experience that NYers generally prefer a more urban sound than the type of music currently played by WCBS FM. How do you define "Non-Ethnics"? I'm a white Jewish male. Does that make me a "non ethinc" or an "ethnic"? A collegue of mine who has worked in NY radio for nearly 40 years, going back to his days with WOR-FM/WXLO is a Queens resident and he's Irish and Catholic. He grew up in Brooklyn and his line to me concerning his musical taste has always been that The Temps were his Beatles. I don't believe Infinity wants to cater to the central/west Jersey crowd. There are pleanty of stations doing just that. Real New Yorkers generally prefer a more "urban" sound as opposed to typical white rock music. They used to call it, music with a beat. A year from now we will see who was right and who was wrong.

 

[Oldiesgal]

> > You don't get it. These guys are in Dallas, Texas. They
> > are calling the shots for a New York City station from
> > Texas. They don't know their way around Manhattan, so how
>
> > can they be expected to even be able to point which
> > direction a borough is and which way New Jersey is?
> >
>
>
> I think that's what I said.

How would all you guys feel about "jackie baby" if they had kept the entire air crew, but only changed the musical direction? Having visited New York many times, how can a station cope in Noo York without a personality. Who will tell you about the ten mile tie-up on the Crosstown or what George Steinbrenner just said. My memories of New York radio are the WMCA Good Guys and WABeatleC. What about William B. Williams? Peter TRipp? Murray the K? I know thats ancient history, but in the memory of Murray the K , FRankie Crocker, and Alan Freed,
I hope Jackie gets a 0.1 share and fails miserably. And don't forget wEENNNNNNNNbc!

 

[autopaint-1]

> > > You don't get it. These guys are in Dallas, Texas.
> They
> > > are calling the shots for a New York City station from
> > > Texas. They don't know their way around Manhattan, so
> how
> >
> > > can they be expected to even be able to point which
> > > direction a borough is and which way New Jersey is?
> > >
> >
> >
> > I think that's what I said.
>
> How would all you guys feel about "jackie baby" if they
> had kept the entire air crew, but only changed the musical
> direction? Having visited New York many times, how can a
> station cope in Noo York without a personality. Who will
> tell you about the ten mile tie-up on the Crosstown or what
> George Steinbrenner just said. My memories of New York radio
> are the WMCA Good Guys and WABeatleC. What about William B.
> Williams? Peter TRipp? Murray the K? I know thats ancient
> history, but in the memory of Murray the K , FRankie
> Crocker, and Alan Freed,
> I hope Jackie gets a 0.1 share and fails miserably. And
> don't forget wEENNNNNNNNbc!
>
If either they kept the air staff or allowed them to say goodbye I would have had no problem with whatever Infinity wanted to do with CBS FM. No matter what others have said about what happens to DJ's throughout the country, what happened at WCBS and they way long term employees were treated was unusual to say the least. The New York market isn't some small or middle market. Especially with a station which has been top ten for years and is number 10 or 11 in earnings, the treatment shown those employees was rather shabby.

 

[radiolover78]

> >
> > > The Beastie Boys won't work in NYC.
> >
> > You do know they're from here...right?
> >
> > Anyway, there are more fans of music you might not like
> than
> > you realize. It's something I have to deal with all the
> > time. There used to be different stations for different
> > tastes and I don't think they were *all* out to finish
> each
> > other off. It sucks that I'm old enough to remember that.
>
> >
> Time will tell and I do not intend to debate every line of
> text with you or anyone else on this board. I believe like
> every fad format this will fail. As to the Beastie Boys
> being from NY, what does that have to do with anything? The
> Ramones are from the NY area too. Means nothing. NY is a
> rhythm ethnic city. Look at the number of stations
> programing that type of music and their overall numbers.
> Compare those numbers with those of what WCBS FM had. the
> only reason WXRK has any numbers is because of Stern.
> Broadcasters try to reach the largest audience they can.
> We'll see in a few weeks what kind of numbers the new format
> garners.
>

There is more to it than numbers.
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