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Jack on 101...So where does this leave K-Rock??

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MoldaMania182

So now that there is a Jack station on a 101.1 in NY, where does this leave WXRK? For months the general thought was that WXRK would go Jack in 1/06 but thats not going to be the case. Could they really stick with this new "Great Rock Period" idea or is there something else on the horizon? (country?)
How about the Krock2 concept? It even has its own website now...seems like a bit much for just for an internet station. Does this have a future here too?

..or am I just making something out of nothing. Discuss.
 
> So now that there is a Jack station on a 101.1 in NY, where
> does this leave WXRK? For months the general thought was
> that WXRK would go Jack in 1/06 but thats not going to be
> the case. Could they really stick with this new "Great Rock
> Period" idea or is there something else on the horizon?
> (country?)
>
> ..or am I just making something out of nothing. Discuss.
>
There still could be something else in the pipeline but at least you know it wont be Jackk in 06 there.
 
Until today (June 3rd), I would have said that WXRK-92.3 would go "Jack".

Believe it or not, the move of WCBS-101.1 to "Jack" may actually open the way for WXRK, once Stern leaves, to go country. What else is there for Infinity to do with 92.3??

Are we six or seven months away from "Big Apple Country 92.3: (Name of host) in the morning, country favorites all day, and NASCAR on the weekends"??
 
> Until today (June 3rd), I would have said that WXRK-92.3
> would go "Jack".
>
> Believe it or not, the move of WCBS-101.1 to "Jack" may
> actually open the way for WXRK, once Stern leaves, to go
> country. What else is there for Infinity to do with 92.3??
>
> Are we six or seven months away from "Big Apple Country
> 92.3: (Name of host) in the morning, country favorites
> all day, and NASCAR on the weekends"??
>

I agree. I wouldnt mind seeing a country station (especially since the award show is coming to NY) but I think the big factor here will be the advertising. Can it be supported? or is keeping it a rock station more "Cost effective?"
 
92.3 - Two major possibilities...

> There still could be something else in the pipeline but at
> least you know it wont be Jackk in 06 there.

Maybe it'll be Jackie-FM - Jackie "Jokeman" Martling as the PD. :D

Well, it might not be a rock-based format. The alternative format that used to be on the frequency is Internet-only.

And it won't be oldies - that's gone the way of the mouse, as well.

Country - once again, it gets beaten to death, but people have to realize, it is a hard format to sell in this city. And I happen to like the format, and I accept this.

There's really only two things Infinity can do with 92.3:

A Spanish-based format - Hurban, Reggaeton, heck, even Jack En Espanol...

And - I know that this market is over-saturated with Urban formats - but if they switch 92.3 to an Urban format to counter with either Hot 97 or Kiss, and program it well enough, it might fly. Think about the country music triad in Tampa. For years, Infinity had that monopoly until Clear Channel opened it up.

Those are the best options for 92.3 come next year. Should Infinity go that route, of course.<P ID="signature">______________


New York City Radio and TV</P>
 
Re: 92.3 - future

> > There still could be something else in the pipeline but at
>
> > least you know it wont be Jackk in 06 there.
>
> Maybe it'll be Jackie-FM - Jackie "Jokeman" Martling as the
> PD. :D
>
> Well, it might not be a rock-based format. The alternative
> format that used to be on the frequency is Internet-only.
>
> And it won't be oldies - that's gone the way of the mouse,
> as well.
>
> Country - once again, it gets beaten to death, but people
> have to realize, it is a hard format to sell in this city.
> And I happen to like the format, and I accept this.
>
> There's really only two things Infinity can do with 92.3:
>
> A Spanish-based format - Hurban, Reggaeton, heck, even Jack
> En Espanol...
>
> And - I know that this market is over-saturated with Urban
> formats - but if they switch 92.3 to an Urban format to
> counter with either Hot 97 or Kiss, and program it well
> enough, it might fly. Think about the country music triad in
> Tampa. For years, Infinity had that monopoly until Clear
> Channel opened it up.
>
> Those are the best options for 92.3 come next year. Should
> Infinity go that route, of course.
>



I think the urban concept would be a great marketing tool for Infinity...but I think that would also depend on the future of NEW and KTU (if one of them goes that way as well in the near future) I dont think the Spanish format would work too well on XRK.
 
> So now that there is a Jack station on a 101.1 in NY, where
> does this leave WXRK? For months the general thought was
> that WXRK would go Jack in 1/06 but thats not going to be
> the case. Could they really stick with this new "Great Rock
> Period" idea or is there something else on the horizon?
> (country?)
>
> ..or am I just making something out of nothing. Discuss.
>
I think WXRK should stay put! They can tweek the music and give more depth. People who enjoy the station are starting to get used to the way the format is now. If Howard is going to the other side, then K-Rock is going to have to off-set programming to pick up the slack. This is not a good time for K-Rock to make any major move like CBS FM did. K-Rock should concentrate on what the listener wants. Jack radio and fast changes can hurt radio period! Listeners are tired of the same safe songs played 4000 times a day. Give them what they want, but keep the format in tack. JAck is too new to play with. K-Rock has a solid base of listeners, work on them first. Just my two cents..
 
> I think WXRK should stay put! They can tweek the music and
> give more depth. People who enjoy the station are starting
> to get used to the way the format is now... K-Rock
> should concentrate on what the listener wants...
> K-Rock has a solid base of listeners...

Don't be misled - most of what makes up their 12+ rating comes from Stern's show. Their numbers outside of Stern are anemic. And who knows if the current musical scheme is just filler until they unveil something different next year? Only time will tell.<P ID="signature">______________


New York City Radio and TV</P>
 
Re: 92.3 - make that two major urban possibilities...

> A Spanish-based format - Hurban, Reggaeton, heck, even Jack
> En Espanol...
>

Have you forgotten that WCAA 105.9/WZAA 92.7 has relauched as "La Kalle", which plays almost all reggaeton already? There's no room for a second one. I don't expect another type of Spanish-language format launched on 92.3 neither. Mega & Amor already have the latino market covered as well.

> And - I know that this market is over-saturated with Urban
> formats - but if they switch 92.3 to an Urban format to
> counter with either Hot 97 or Kiss, and program it well
> enough, it might fly. Think about the country music triad in
> Tampa. For years, Infinity had that monopoly until Clear
> Channel opened it up.
>

Now that WBLS is Urban AC, there may be room for another hip hop-leaning format. Both Hot & Power are doing very well in the ratings. An adult Urban format would be another option for 92.3. Maybe they could play only classic R&B/soul to differ themselves from the Kiss & WBLS.

> Those are the best options for 92.3 come next year. Should
> Infinity go that route, of course.
>

I think K-rock will stick with its rock format for a while after Howard leaves. If not, urban would probably be the best way to go. I wish country music was an option, but until the perception about the format being a hard sell goes away, there won't be a country station in New York City.
 
Call me crazy (and I'm sure almost all of you will), but could you possibly see 92.3 going to CHR? Sounds like suicide, sure, but you never know... Infinity could think that Z100 is there for the taking (they'd be full of crap, IMHO, but there you go)..<P ID="signature">______________
Aaron Tyler
Afternoons / MD
WVZA / Marion - Carbondale, IL
www.kissfm927.com

Weekends / Swing
KSLZ / St. Louis
WAKZ / Youngstown, OH
</P>
 
> Call me crazy (and I'm sure almost all of you will), but
> could you possibly see 92.3 going to CHR? Sounds like
> suicide, sure, but you never know... Infinity could think
> that Z100 is there for the taking (they'd be full of crap,
> IMHO, but there you go)..

You're crazy.

And no they wouldnt hire you.
 
> Call me crazy (and I'm sure almost all of you will), but
> could you possibly see 92.3 going to CHR? Sounds like
> suicide, sure, but you never know... Infinity could think
> that Z100 is there for the taking (they'd be full of crap,
> IMHO, but there you go)..
>

Very unlikely. None of the top 10 markets have two CHR/Pop stations.
 
> > Call me crazy (and I'm sure almost all of you will), but
> > could you possibly see 92.3 going to CHR? Sounds like
> > suicide, sure, but you never know... Infinity could think
> > that Z100 is there for the taking (they'd be full of crap,
>
> > IMHO, but there you go)..
>
> You're crazy.
>
> And no they wouldnt hire you.


You think I have any desire to live in New York? No way. I'd love to work there, but wouldn't want to live anywhere within 150 miles, so that'd make things difficult :)

Pure speculation, that's all.<P ID="signature">______________
Aaron Tyler
Afternoons / MD
WVZA / Marion - Carbondale, IL
www.kissfm927.com

Weekends / Swing
KSLZ / St. Louis
WAKZ / Youngstown, OH
</P>
 
> So now that there is a Jack station on a 101.1 in NY, where
> does this leave WXRK? For months the general thought was
> that WXRK would go Jack in 1/06 but thats not going to be
> the case. Could they really stick with this new "Great Rock
> Period" idea or is there something else on the horizon?
> (country?)
> How about the Krock2 concept? It even has its own website
> now...seems like a bit much for just for an internet
> station. Does this have a future here too?
>
> ..or am I just making something out of nothing. Discuss.

SPANISH.

K Rock is a lot like Jack now.A mix of songs and bands that have little to do with each other.Jack plays a lot of the same songs that K rock plays (the modern rock,the 80's and 90's).But then again so does Q104.3 (the classic rock).So does WPLJ (the 80's and 90's).Its no longer unique in any way.

pretty soon all NY stations will have no clear formats.
 
Why not WNEW?

I wonder why they chose to blow up a radio station with an established product and exclusive format, when they could have Jack'd WNEW-FM, a station with no forseeable future anyway.
 
Re: Why not WNEW?

> I wonder why they chose to blow up a radio station with an
> established product and exclusive format, when they could
> have Jack'd WNEW-FM, a station with no forseeable future
> anyway.
>

I agree!<P ID="signature">______________
Kevin</P>
 
Re: 92.3 - Jack En Espanol?

> > A Spanish-based format - Hurban, Reggaeton, heck, even Jack
> > En Espanol...
>
> Have you forgotten that WCAA 105.9/WZAA 92.7 has relauched
> as "La Kalle", which plays almost all reggaeton already?
> There's no room for a second one. I don't expect another
> type of Spanish-language format launched on 92.3 neither.
> Mega & Amor already have the latino market covered as well.

Well, I do think a Jack en Espanol would be a good idea... I'm talking about all Spanish formats - reggaeton, salsa, merengue, and the classics, etc. I admit, I do not listen to Spanish music, but I'm thinking like a radio professional... Don't think that somebody hasn't had that idea already.<P ID="signature">______________


New York City Radio and TV</P>
 
Stranger Things Have Happened...

> > Call me crazy (and I'm sure almost all of you will), but
> > could you possibly see 92.3 going to CHR? Sounds like
> > suicide, sure, but you never know... Infinity could think
> > that Z100 is there for the taking (they'd be full of crap,
> > IMHO, but there you go)..
> >
> Very unlikely. None of the top 10 markets have two CHR/Pop
> stations.

New York already has two stations fighting over the low dance music listenership... While I miss the great WPLJ/Z-100 skirmishes of the 1980's - and some of you recall the 77 WABC/WMCA skirmishes, as well - I couldn't tell you if there can ever be two CHR's in this city again... But again, I think of what Clear Channel did in Tampa to take on Infinity's country monopoly... And most of the music on CHR these days is urban-based anyway, so Infinity might get more bang for their buck by programming an urban station...

Yes, I know - "there's enough urban stations in New York as it is"... People think that before yet another urban station graced the airwaves of the Big Apple, oldies WCBS-FM would disappear.

One down...<P ID="signature">______________


New York City Radio and TV</P>
 
Re: 92.3 - Two major possibilities...What About A Jill?

In your consideration of formats, have you given Jill consideration? Jill is on in LA and it is a Jack format made for women.
> > There still could be something else in the pipeline but at
>
> > least you know it wont be Jackk in 06 there.
>
> Maybe it'll be Jackie-FM - Jackie "Jokeman" Martling as the
> PD. :D
>
> Well, it might not be a rock-based format. The alternative
> format that used to be on the frequency is Internet-only.
>
> And it won't be oldies - that's gone the way of the mouse,
> as well.
>
> Country - once again, it gets beaten to death, but people
> have to realize, it is a hard format to sell in this city.
> And I happen to like the format, and I accept this.
>
> There's really only two things Infinity can do with 92.3:
>
> A Spanish-based format - Hurban, Reggaeton, heck, even Jack
> En Espanol...
>
> And - I know that this market is over-saturated with Urban
> formats - but if they switch 92.3 to an Urban format to
> counter with either Hot 97 or Kiss, and program it well
> enough, it might fly. Think about the country music triad in
> Tampa. For years, Infinity had that monopoly until Clear
> Channel opened it up.
>
> Those are the best options for 92.3 come next year. Should
> Infinity go that route, of course.
>
<P ID="signature">______________
[email protected]</P>
 
Re: 92.3 - What About A Jill?

> In your consideration of formats, have you given Jill
> consideration? Jill is on in LA and it is a Jack format
> made for women.

I don't see it lasting. It's a broader playlist than Jack by far.

Besides, I remember Jill under its original name - "Alice".<P ID="signature">______________


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