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About as close to active as they can get.
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About as close to active as they can get.
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I think the problem with 102.9 also was Cox trying to protect The Eagle. Both stations to an extent played late 70's and 80's classic rock. The Point and The Eagle would play the same Foreigner and Journey songs. That fact never changed until the flip to X102-9. Why didn't Cox tweak the playlist after The Eagle launched. Or why did The Eagle launch to begin with, Cool 96.9 was cool and all.
Cox had the same issue in Tampa with both stations. Until 2007 when Cox cut off all Pre-1980's music from the Point, as well as removing a good deal of 80's classic rock that will fit on The Eagle. That is also when Cox expanded the playlist throughout the entire 90's decade. Everything JohnJax said prior may help in this case. I could now see the reason why playlist adjustments on The Point were so few is because of these two stations. 107.3 The Eagle and AC Magic 94.9. Cox has a Youtube channel for The Eagle, a heritage morning show on Magic and countless 30 second TV Spots for both. That may also explain the alternative lean 101.5 had. If the station were to lean too mainstream and pop it would affect 94.9. Play too much Classic Rock then The Eagle would have been hit. Yes, the station was given time to improve, however wasn't given the programming adjustments needed to be a success. Cox updated the playlist 2 times in the 10 years of the format, the 1st in 2007 to prevent cluster programming with The Eagle. The second was in 2010 to modernize the sound and increase ratings, the 2nd playlist adjustment was given 9 months before being axed.
Cox had the same issue in Tampa with both stations. Until 2007 when Cox cut off all Pre-1980's music from the Point, as well as removing a good deal of 80's classic rock that will fit on The Eagle. That is also when Cox expanded the playlist throughout the entire 90's decade. Everything JohnJax said prior may help in this case. I could now see the reason why playlist adjustments on The Point were so few is because of these two stations. 107.3 The Eagle and AC Magic 94.9. Cox has a Youtube channel for The Eagle, a heritage morning show on Magic and countless 30 second TV Spots for both. That may also explain the alternative lean 101.5 had. If the station were to lean too mainstream and pop it would affect 94.9. Play too much Classic Rock then The Eagle would have been hit. Yes, the station was given time to improve, however wasn't given the programming adjustments needed to be a success. Cox updated the playlist 2 times in the 10 years of the format, the 1st in 2007 to prevent cluster programming with The Eagle. The second was in 2010 to modernize the sound and increase ratings, the 2nd playlist adjustment was given 9 months before being axed.
Reading over the past several pages of this thread, it sure is gratifying to know there's still plenty of passion and opinion regarding Jacksonville (and beyond) radio! While I usually strive to look for positives, as I read through the discussion, it's also obvious to this long time observer, that the Telecommunications Act of 1996, and the more recent implementation of Arbitron's PPM methodology, has resulted in many of the problems we're identifying at various stations. The current "cluster" business model has created the scenario where an OM has to compete with his/her own stations and protect them as well. IMHO, this limits true competition. Too many jobs have been lost, stations are under staffed, the remaining employees are faced with huge workloads being the norm. How can radio really be as entertaining and creative as it once was? Too bad JohnJax didn't hear some of the radio coming out of Jacksonville in the '60's, '70's, and '80's! Don't get me wrong, I'm not for bringing back "the good old days", that won't happen! Change is inevitable, and hopeully, something good and better will emerge. Radio in Jacksonville, and, to be fair, in every market, has suffered in recent years. To truly compete with new technology, I believe radio, now more than ever, needs to bring its unique one to one "personality" back! Let's hope more radio companies consider re-investing in the on-air product that makes it possible for them to be profitable in the first place! 
BTW, what is RadioNow, not to sound stupid but are they Hot AC or Adult CHR.
Also, other than oldies isn't Hot AC a format hole in Jacksonville. We have WAPE as a heritage CHR, Jack FM for a Adult Hits leaning Classic Rock and so on.
Cox could put it a station like 97.3 The Coast down south. Hot AC but do the whole Retro thing on weekends. Advertise it like this "Do you remember WAPE AND Y-103, well this is your station, All Retro Weekend on 104-5." The weekdays could play a Hot AC mix from the 90's to today with a few 80's hits tossed in. The weekends could be largely retro driven such as what The Coast and B98-5 do. Like said above go freestyle and in general lean in a pop direction.
Heck Renda could even do this with one of their signals.
Also, other than oldies isn't Hot AC a format hole in Jacksonville. We have WAPE as a heritage CHR, Jack FM for a Adult Hits leaning Classic Rock and so on.
Cox could put it a station like 97.3 The Coast down south. Hot AC but do the whole Retro thing on weekends. Advertise it like this "Do you remember WAPE AND Y-103, well this is your station, All Retro Weekend on 104-5." The weekdays could play a Hot AC mix from the 90's to today with a few 80's hits tossed in. The weekends could be largely retro driven such as what The Coast and B98-5 do. Like said above go freestyle and in general lean in a pop direction.
Heck Renda could even do this with one of their signals.
Jacksonville does have a lot of format holes. You have country on 99.9, 99.1, and classic country on 100.7, plus anyone in the area can get a distant signal out of Daytona, Gainesville, Ocala, or Brunswick.
Jacksonville does need a Hot AC station like that. A station like the old Coast 92.5 in Charleston would do great there. Lots of personality, a great music mix, and that format that gamefreak was talking about. They also had very good jingles. Too bad it couldn't get a good rating and Apex still owns that frequency, because that signal had so much potential with that format.
Jacksonville does need a Hot AC station like that. A station like the old Coast 92.5 in Charleston would do great there. Lots of personality, a great music mix, and that format that gamefreak was talking about. They also had very good jingles. Too bad it couldn't get a good rating and Apex still owns that frequency, because that signal had so much potential with that format.
charlestondxman said:
Not unless you're on the Westside or Northside. Southside, very little outside the market gets in due to the low height of the class C sticks on Hogan Rd. As for Hot AC, it's been tried with no success on 102.9. 96.1 is kinda filling that void with their more upbeat presentation.
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gamefreak said:
This is not a stupid question. It's all about location, location, location! I was told many years ago that the Jacksonville antennas are limited to around 1,000 feet because of FAA requirements. The same is true for the antennas near the Broward-Dade county line in South Florida. The taller towers located outside Orlando and Tampa are apparently not similarly affected. As an example, stations like 96.1 WEJZ, that were once full class C's, are eventually downgraded to a Class C0 or C1 when a nearby co-channel or adjacent channel station gets approved for an upgrade. So, in essense, all that's lost is the "bonus" of a larger fringe signal, since, in most cases, the former class C station can remain operating at their full 100,000 watt power.
I should also add to my previous comment, that a "full" class C FM, because of the larger signal footprint, also gets more protection to its signal, resulting in co-channel and adjacent channel facilities being spaced further away from the Class C facility. So, it follows that a class C0 or C1 FM facility transmitting from a lower antenna height, would eventually get less protection from its neighbors.
Which is why they have stations on most of those frequencies nearby. 96.9 in Charleston, then 104.5 there (a C1), the old 96.1 in Charleston (used to be a full 100kw), and 102.9 with the signal out of Statesboro. That's all I can think of.
They do have powerful AMs. Because of the water factor, even the lower power (5kw) AMs get out.
They do have powerful AMs. Because of the water factor, even the lower power (5kw) AMs get out.
Not to mention WXGL 107.3 The Eagle in Tampa is rather close to WWJK 107.3 Jack FM. On the extreme south-side of Marion County I can pick up the Eagle. In Ocala itself and points northwards I pick up Jack FM. That is a good 15 miles between the fringe 40dBu signal of WXGL and the signal from WWJK.
There is also some overlap of the 40 dBU signal of WJBT (93.3 FM) from Callahan/Jacksonville, FL and WFLZ (93.3 FM) in Tampa, FL because you can pick up the fringe signals of both stations in Deltona, FL depending on the position of the antenna or tropospheric activity. Furthermore, both of the stations are owned by Clear Channel.
Jack-FM looks like a winner. Up consistently in every PPM since launch. It hasn't had much impact on 96.9, though, who is still hovering in the low 6s, down just a little. Where are the listeners coming from? Every book for X-102.9 has been down or unchanged since the launch (there isn't really any significant overlap between 102 and 107, though). Rock 104.5 is up a little, but still lower this summer. Sure would be interesting to know how Classic Rock 94.1 is doing.
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carolinaradio said:
After Renda dumped Sunny for Classic Rock on 94.1, they enjoyed a rather healthy cume bump, but overall, my educated guess would be they're probably less than a 2 share. It's interesting to note that Cox Radio Group has secured a construction permit for what could potentially be a decent signal translator on 106.1 in Jacksonville. According to the FCC application, 106.1 will be repeating audio from WJGL-FM, most likely from a future HD-2 signal, with programming provided by Cox, or possibly someone else. If it was mine, it would be Cool 106.1 FM! ;D
nfladxer said:
Where do you see this? Only licences/applications I see for 106.1 in or around Jacksonville are to a Victor Vickers.
I did pick up (did someone forgot to reduce their power??) Sports radio out of Jacksonville, It was middleburgh vs another team during a HS football game on the AM band. XYL I think it was called. Strong signal overpowering 1010 WINS and 1010 Toronto while the sun was setting.
Do stations reduce their power during local sporting events??
-Rob
Do stations reduce their power during local sporting events??
-Rob
I think their last PPM put them around a 1.7 share. I would guess a tight range somewhere around 1.5-1.7.nfladxer said:
ThatGuyOnTheRadio said:
Yes, I stand corrected, Victor Vickers is listed as the individual applicant. He has an active construction permit to go 250 watts (full power Class D) on 106.1 FM, with an antenna on one of the Hogan Road towers, and listed as rebroadcasting WQIK-FM. What I was looking at was a recent application filed on behalf of Victor Vickers for a minor modification of that construction permit to relocate the antenna downtown (probably on the Renda tower), with 225 watts erp, and rebroadcasting WJGL-FM. Even though the power is reduced a bit, apparently the antenna will be mounted higher, resulting in a larger 60dbu signal area. If you look at the engineering info attached to the application, one of the pages lists Cox as the customer. That, combined with the change to rebroadcasting WJGL's signal, created the perception that it was a Cox Radio deal. Only time will tell what becomes of the application and the on-air result. While the engineering applications and construction permits are public, the programming details and stategies are usually closed guarded secrets!
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