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Jammer on 730?

I'm writing from a place on the Gulf coast beach near Pensacola where we're spending a couple of weeks. Last Thursday night (March 18) when I was driving down here from Birmingham, I heard a loud noisemaker on 730 for just about the entire length of my trip (250 miles). Since I got here, I've also heard it from time to time on a few occasions. Distinct, but not as loud as it was in the rental car on my drive down.

Has anyone else heard this? Anyone know what it is? The sound is a little like the noise made by nightclub deejays when they cue vinyl records rapidly and repeatedly. Generally when jamming is heard in this part of the world, the usual suspect is the Cubans. But who would they be jamming....and (if it is them), why?
 
It was louder than heck in Central KY last night. I have noticed this "off and on" for some time. I suspect it is coming from Cuba.
 
KR4BD said:
It was louder than heck in Central KY last night. I have noticed this "off and on" for some time. I suspect it is coming from Cuba.

There is nothing Cuba would want to jam on 730; there is no listenable US Spanish language signal, and the dominant Mexican is a sports station and Cuba, IIRC, has never jammed its friend, Mexico. Nor is there anything on coastal Colombia.

If jamming is not the reason, it's interesting to speculate on what the station is and what its purpose is.

Another poster mentions a similar signal on 930, where there is, similarly, no station Cuba would want to jam.
 
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LibertyNT said:

That's certainly unlike anything out of Cuba, ever.

Cuba had two main jamming techniques. One was to put a carrier on a frequency 1 khz to 2 khz on either side of a station they did not want heard in Cuba. This they did for years to WQBA 1140, and the heterodyne was even heard in the station's primary coverage area at times. The other is to put regular stations across Cuba (the nation is 800 miles east to west) and let them just block the other station. This was used with WAQI and still is. The exceptional case is 1180, where they put more power, apparently at a single location, and offset it a bit from 1180, so as to both heterodyne and block the signal.

Since the late 60's Cuba has not jammed anything that is not in Spanish and that does not have Cuban political content. So Martí is jammed, WAQI is blocked and, today, even WQBA is left alone because it is not virulently anti-Castro.

730 is surely an odd one. It sounds like someone trying to play music on a saw blade. Very un-Cuban, particularly in its subtlety.
 
I am hearing this wobbling sound on 730, too, before 6 AM EST though it's not very loud here in VA. I have no idea who is doing it.
 
LibertyNT said:
I can hear this station if I null out KKDA 730 here in Dallas. I'll make a recording of it

Are you in a nighttime null or did simply turning your radio here the trick?
That's definitely some interesting listening. I'm surprised none of Mexico City's 730 bled in ... you can hear that in Houston under KTRH slop at night.
 
I couldn't remember where I'd heard this before, but now I do! Saudi Arabia ( or someone in the region ) had them on MW when I was in Jeddah just before the first gulf war broke out. Seems like there were 5 or so on MW. I mentally envisioned a side capacitance on the crystal that spun on a shaft varying the frequency up and down, except this wouldn't give the variability that is one of the characteristics
of this jammer. In the old days, there was a piece of radio alignment equipment called a wobbulator, an oscillator that quickly swept the
IF bandpass of a receiver, and showed a curve of the response on a scope synched to the sweep. It was used to set
a broad flat IF peak for best audio, as opposed to a sine peak for highest selectivity.

I think you're hearing something in the Persian Gulf region.
 
ddsparxx said:
I am hearing this wobbling sound on 730, too, before 6 AM EST though it's not very loud here in VA. I have no idea who is doing it.

That pretty much eliminates things to the East.... as Europe, the Middle East and North Africa are all in full daylight paths just before 6 AM Eastern.
 
Tom Wells said:
I think you're hearing something in the Persian Gulf region.

Not with the total daylight path for those hearing this around 6 AM EST. Also, this is being heard on 730, while 729 is the European/Asian/African channel, so we would have a het were it from there.
 
Thanks, everyone, for chiming in. As I alluded to in my original post, my first suspicion....being in the southeast....was Cuba. But my second thought, as David mentioned, was what would be on 730 that Cuba would want to jam? The only stuff I could make out under the noise was sports talk (Memphis?).

As for the theory that it could be coming from the Middle East, that's an interesting one. When I first heard it on my drive from Birmingham to Pensacola, it sounded almost like a local....with little or no fading. In fact, I was even wondering if it might just be some sort of rogue signal caused by a defect in the rental car radio. Hard to imagine something that strong and that consistent would be coming from half way around the world with almost no fading. Although this was basically between 8 and 10pm CDT....so there would've been a total darkness path.

Another aspect of this is that the noisemaker seems to be weaker here on the coast than it was farther north during my drive. That could work against the Cuba theory. I'm able to pull in a few Cuban AM band signals here on the beach during the daytime....but whatever this is is absent during daylight hours.

Hmmmm.......
 
It's a little after 5 pm and I just put my radio on 730.

I'm hearing that sound which is exactly like one of those LPs being moved back and forth as the rap DJs do.

I've heard this on other frequencies in the past too.

The fact that it's as loud during the day here as it is at night makes it pretty clear this is from Cuba.

It's a strong signal.
 
Here's a better link to all of Curt Deegan's Wobbler site:

http://curt.deegan.com/WWWR/wobbler/index.html

The consensus, at least on the DX club lists, is that this isn't deliberate Cuban jamming but rather a result of aging transmitter infrastructure there, possibly low voltage at the transmitter sites or bad generators used during power outages.
 
Scott Fybush said:
This is the infamous Cuban wobbler. It's been a topic of discussion on the various DX club lists for years now:

http://curt.deegan.com/WWWR/wobbler/wobbler5.html

Scott,

I read the discussion on the link, and have some issues with the data behind the conclusions.

There is mention that Cuba is jamming everything in Spanish in FL and PR. This makes no sense. First, in PR Cuban signals, some of which are quite powerful, are not easy catches. There is just not a good E-W propagation path inside the tropics there. Then, most of the PR stations with any power are directional away from Cuba. The rest are such low power that they could not be heard in Cuba, even without the much more powerful Colombians and Venezuelans on the same channels. Finally, many of the bold red channels have no station in PR at all and no Spanish language one in FL, either.

To me, that eliminates the idea that the wobblers are jamming specific broadcasts. If Cuba does not even try anymore to block Miami's 50 kw WQBA-1140, they certainly won't jam some music station programming to Puerto Ricans in Orlando or Tampa.

That leaves us with the power grid concept. I find that to be an odd idea with one exception. I've lived in and run and managed (and engineered) stations throughout Latin America. Even in Puerto Rico, we all had generators and they would typically run 200 to 400 hours a year... time when the grid failed. It was worse in other places, like Ecuador, too. Yet with inadequate of fragile infrastructures, I never heard the sound of today's warblers. And I've been in, working, 17 of the countries of Latin America.

What is my exception? The one unique thing in Cuba is that most of the transmitters, particularly 10 kw and over, are Czech and from the 60's and 70's. They are conventional high level plate modulated (the Czechs tried to sell me some in 1967 in Quito) and are neither a good nor a bad design. What they all had in common was the use of Svetlana tubes. Some Svets were direct copies of Eimac and Phillips power tubes. Others were unique to the Russian tube manufacturer, and most have been discontinued. The Cuban transmitters have been field modified for other tubes, and, although this is not a hugely challenging process, there may be some quality of those transmitters that creates images, spurs or whatever when the transmitter is modified. It's really unlikely that the folks who designed the transmitters are available to consult, either.

What I am familiar with, having for a while maintained one, is the RCA Ampliphase of the 60's. This AM transmitter sounded great... for several days after tuning. From there it went to hell. It generally increased bandwidth and put a lot of noise into the sidebands when out of adjustment. Thinking along those lines, perhaps the Cubans came up with some other transmitter modifications which have created this kind of situation... given the reports and the DF activities both day and night, this is rather certainly Cuba.

Going back to the late 50's and early 60's, many stations in Latin America were what we called "drifters" which wandered around close to the allocated frequency but not on it. Many Colombians would be one or two kHz above or below the licenced channel, and were nice DX catches. The cause was one of two things: Crystals ground in Colombia using poor frequency references or stations that did not have crystals and used a tuned stage, only slightly better than a ham VFO. This tuned stage operation was heat and component sensitive, so those stations had different frequencies over time. But none wandered back and forth in very precise patterns. And none produced noises on the air, either on the fundamental, a harmonic or a spur, like what we are hearing (my reference is recordings, of course).

Two of the first frequencies mentioned, 930 and 620, contain no stations that Cuba would have any interest in jamming, whether they be in the US, Puerto Rico, or anywhere around the Caribbean Basin. They certainly would not jam Venezuela today, and there is nothing able to produce a consistent signal across Cuba elsewhere.

It's hard to argue that these are jammers or sources of intentional interference. It is also hard to think that the effect comes from the power grid... which is nowhere near the worst power system in Latin America now or in the past.

Unless the Czech transmitters have some idiosyncrasy that has been created by modifications, or by additional home-brew design changes, then this is a real mystery. I favor the extreme modifications as the source.
 
DavidEduardo said:
It's hard to argue that these are jammers or sources of intentional interference. It is also hard to think that the effect comes from the power grid... which is nowhere near the worst power system in Latin America now or in the past.

Unless the Czech transmitters have some idiosyncrasy that has been created by modifications, or by additional home-brew design changes, then this is a real mystery. I favor the extreme modifications as the source.

I concur with you on that. I don't think this is intentional jamming, either. I last heard it up here on 1100 a few weeks ago, and I'm pretty sure the Cubans weren't trying to drown out WTAM.
 
FWIW, I've actually heard that "wobbler" during my relatively brief residency in eastern PA. Heard it on a couple of different frequencies, including 770 once or twice. Honestly, I thought it was some locally-based interference because I had never heard anything like that when dxing from New England or the mountain west. Very interesting!
 
Scott Fybush said:
I concur with you on that. I don't think this is intentional jamming, either. I last heard it up here on 1100 a few weeks ago, and I'm pretty sure the Cubans weren't trying to drown out WTAM.

Yes, and in fact, it is widely thought that Cuba exiles its political dissidents to Cleveland as punishmen.
 
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