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Jax Trends

With a couple of Jax Spring trends now history, there appears to be audience alignments occurring. Part of this, I believe, is by diary error, inept format changes/programming decisions and the power of advertising.

WQIK is trending up. A big part of this, I believe, results from the large amount of advertising done to promote the morning show. While I am on the record for feeling the ads did not shed a positive light on Robbie, Boomer and Toni, I will concede they indeed were effective in reinforcing listener station impressions. These resulted into increased diary mentions. It proves, once again how critical it is to promote.

Over at WGNE, Jeff Davis’ abrupt dismissal has created negative audience impact. When on-air talent vacancies occur, they often result in listener uneasiness. I will assume the programming also took a hit because of the disruption. All in all, given the station had a very limited promotions budget, Jeff earned my respect in bringing the station to 1.4 total audience share difference in the winter book with the heritage station. I guess that wasn’t good enough.

WEJZ I believe has benefited from Tama’s stupid decision to flip from Smooth Jazz to Urban Station #4. You are idiots. Given the crappy signal, you were still attracting listeners and in one book you were tied with WMXQ in total audience, a station that has one of the best signals around. But I guess you will say it wasn’t the right audience. Brilliant move as two rhythmic ACs fight over a total 2 share. Hmm, isn’t that what smooth jazz earned alone? How you guys can sell to such a small audience makes little sense to me.

I would think WROO’s (Gospel) impressive showing has more to do with incorrect dial position diary reporting that is really meant for WJBT. Over time, this should correct.

Lastly, I am hoping the powers that be at WSOS, recognize they have made a serious mistake in music programming. I say what I say from a listener perspective. When you guys starting power rotating more and more 80s music, I knew this would reduce the unique sound of the station and listeners would go elsewhere. I am on the record on this board for bringing this up when it occurred and I hope you will get back to the way you were. And Woody, please drop that insipid 5 PM clearing your desk off routine. It’s terminal and does not have as much relevance as it once did. People are working all different kind of hours today including 4 10 hour work days. Enough already with that, it’s very small market sounding and doesn't help your station one bit.
 
I've said this from the beginning. Although I admit 96.1 does very well, Renda is just small potatoes amongst major players who have the research money and programming savvy to bring gator and the other wannabee's in town to it's knee's. Tony Renda doesn't care about 100.7, WSOS or any of the people on those stations. He only owns them and runs them so he can say he's a player in radio. Which is true in Oklahoma City and with Lite here.
 
OH MY DEAR LORD! ABANDON SHIP! SET THE SCUTTLING CHARGES! THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATHWATER! SOMEONE HAD A DOWN TREND! DIARIES WEREN'T FILLED OUT PROPERLY! PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE LISTENING TO!
You live by 'em and you die by 'em, fellas.
Just how long have y'all been doing this?
I mean radio and stuff?
 
People are working all different kind of hours today including 4 10 hour work days.

or night shifts or Th-M with Tues and Weds off...and so on. You'd think by now more radio stations would "get" this. People are working all kinds of different hours, having days off that are not Sat. and/or Sunday, and working in all kinds of different settings that are not offices. And with the economy where it is now they are getting second jobs. The old Smooth Jazz station's midday jock constantly referred to "your office" and "your cubicle." and "relaxing by the pool" on Saturdays. Out of date. Another way radio has lost touch.
 
A trend is only 12 plus right? Why dont we start our circle jerk when the actual book comes out since a trend has no relevance? Just a thought.
 
The WQIK/WGNE Race is a particularly Interesting race and is occuring at a time of huge growth and big change in Country Music itself.It is going to be exciting to see how it plays out.
 
Come on, trends DO have relevance as they are yet another performance tool for owners and managers to monitor progress/goals and even to recognize what is and what is not working. If no one found them useful, Arbitron would save themselves the bother.

I understand new formats should not be judged be a trend or two, but sometimes the writing on the wall is obvious because there is still performance history as in the case with Rhythmic AC in this market. It is doubtful that I will change my mind about Tama's format flip because I'm convinced (to this point) they goofed. Jax does not need another Urban AC, especially on yet another low power FMer.

All I was attempting to do here was to be proactive about how the radio audience is realigning due to recent changes and to continue to point out that listeners will not respond to music sameness or the use of outdated=irrelevant DJ patter. I heard from a number of people who liked and agreed with my thought process but as the expression goes, you can't please all of the people all of the time. And that's OK with me! I do like to throw the hook out to keep the Jax board at least mildly entertaining and informative. ;)
 
2 big holes in the Jax market that a strong 100k signal can fix and take immediate advantage:

1. Active Rock, i.e. like 98 rock/rock 104/101 JRR
2. Spanish, that thing on 105.7 is a joke and reaches nobody.....

Sorry JJ oldies is dead and ain't coming back.............
 
If you are referring to the oldies format and a playlist 85% 60s and 50s, then I would agree with your assessment that the format is dead.

However, there are exciting things happening in lots of markets across the country where the so called oldies format has evolved into a hybrid classic hits format with a good deal of variety (Top artists/hits from the 60s, pop, rock, pop and disco from the 70s) . 80s are another matter I’ll get to further down the post. It has taken time but I like what I’m hearing. The positioning of different type music styles and decades presented challenges that were off the mark. But many programmers are now getting it and its working.

It appears the audience is also responding positively as evidenced by the general upward trends these stations are experiencing in numerous markets. The CBS owned stations doing the format are getting a lot of attention. These guys wouldn't make the commitment if the format wasn't viable.

Many of these stations ran with special July 4 weekend programming where virtually every song in their expanded library was played – including even pre-Beatles!. Take a tour of the various cities served by today’s oldies on Radio-Info and you will witness the tons of responses (mostly positive) regarding this exciting special programming.

These things help make positive impressions with the listeners when they do tune in. Isn’t it all about attracting and building an audience? What do we have in Jax? There was nothing special offered on this past holiday weekend where larger numbers of people will listen longer than normal. Another lost opportunity.

No, I’m sorry – I totally disagree that oldies is dead. It is a viable format and has potential to continue to grow over time – especially with song additions from the 80s. But I take the position that these songs, at least for now, should be chosen very carefully and played on a limited basis to avoid sounding like the 80s alternative like the Point.

It’s good to see to see the format has evolved and is making a comeback. All in all, I wish those in charge here didn’t look for the quick fix and kill the format before its time. I’m convinced, with the right people in place, the format would have done well in Jax over time.

Lastly, I don’t want to be one-dimensional regarding the oldies subject. Even I agree that I have beaten this horse way too much. So for that, I will apologize to anyone I’ve annoyed but I guess it’s just a passion I have about the format that is hard to contain. Thanks for understanding. Rock On.
 
JohnJax said:
No, I’m sorry – I totally disagree that oldies is dead. It is a viable format and has potential to continue to grow over time – especially with song additions from the 80s. But I take the position that these songs, at least for now, should be chosen very carefully and played on a limited basis to avoid sounding like the 80s alternative like the Point.

It’s good to see to see the format has evolved and is making a comeback. All in all, I wish those in charge here didn’t look for the quick fix and kill the format before its time. I’m convinced, with the right people in place, the format would have done well in Jax over time.

Lastly, I don’t want to be one-dimensional regarding the oldies subject. Even I agree that I have beaten this horse way too much. So for that, I will apologize to anyone I’ve annoyed but I guess it’s just a passion I have about the format that is hard to contain. Thanks for understanding. Rock On.


JohnJax is correct in his acessment of how the format must evolve to survive. If you think of oldies as 50's & 60's with the same old tired "Good Times & Great Oldies" imaging then you're right. That IS dead. Unfortunetly, there are stations that are still doing this! Some folks have posted on various boards that Scott Shannon's True Oldies format is great and it's just what we needed. I don't think it's great, it just fills a void for people that enjoy that particular era of music and are willing to listen to all of the crap songs that get played between the good stuff. It's certainly a format that's low maintenance. Just hook up the bird!

Every so often you have to freshen things up. It's like a car. Every few years the automakers know that they have to change the sheetmetal and update the features. Look at the Ford Mustang. It was a hit when it rolled out in late 1964 and it's still a hot car. It's been revamped at least a dozen times but it always manages to keep its distinctive style. You KNOW it's a Mustang but it just appears fresh and interesting! It's still something that people crave. It's the same with radio.

A good jock CAN do a very compelling voice-tracked show IF they prep it! If their attitude is that they've gotta get it all done in 20 minutes then it's gonna sound VT'd. And it's probably gonna suck. But, if that's what the PD wants....

What is most troubling about most radio stations (regardless of format) IMHO, is the lack of real personality. There's very little passion for the music and the jocks tend to race over the call letters so fast that you can't make 'em out. Morning shows are the usual exception and some of them do a really great job considering what they are given to work with (promotion, prize budget, etc.). There's very little in the way of creative contesting. It's really a sad situation.

I know what you're thinking. How can we give away great stuff and have a big promotion budget when we're not making budget?

There is revenue out there. It's not easy to get, but have you tried to find good salespeople lately? I know at least a dozen GREAT radio sales folks that either hate their job or they go into another industry. The reason? Usually it's because their "list" has been trimmed and given to the new guys coming in the door so that they'll have something to service and nurture. Do you think it's fair to have some manager slice in to your years of hard work so that some newbe walking in the door can have an instant income, only to get frustrated and walk out in a month or two? Get real. All you do is piss off the guy that's been working his ass off for you for years, only to have the rug pulled out from under him/her.

Sorry to get on a rant here but radio, like almost every other industry, has gotten too greedy and is unwilling to reinvest in its own future.
 
I watch Renda very closely....With Randy Hill coming in as PD at Gator and if he has a successful track record programming stations then we could very well be in for a battle of country radio in Jacksonville...and better yet...having both stations within dial clicks of each other is better.

Also here is another thing to watch is what they will do over with Movin'. With Hill coming in and having program oldies and variety hits I would not be surprised if Renda either goes back to a "Greatest Hits" format or they go on the track and take it with something of a Variety Hits format...aka Jack...or something in those lines (what i am saying is that Hill gets handed over the controls of 100.7 as well. its just a prediction)....later.
 
I would like to see an oldies station reemerge or a Jack station, something that would get me to listen. While I like Rock 105, 102.9 is ok, and 96.9 is lukewarm, most of the time, I get bored with these stations. A lot has to do with the DJs.

Kool 96.9 had a good cast of DJs, and it made the station fun to listen to. It would be nice to get a station like that again. When I go to LA, I listen to KEarth101, and they are very good. I think that Kool was as good as that, but some bozo thought that they had to become the Eagle, which is devoid of personality.

I had been listening to the Cool Jazz stations until the plug was pulled on that. Now I am hoping that we can get internet in cars (which Chryslrer is now starting) so I will be able to listen to stations from other cities in the car. That is getting pretty desperate. It has become really difficult to listen to radio here in Jax.

In the end, I listen mostly to talk radio now. It is much more entertaining.
 
Renda Broadcasting is in position to play the hero with listeners with two of their stations. IMHO they would strengthen their cluster by offering alternatives to listeners while enhancing WEJZ's target demos skewing younger.

If we start with Sunny 94.1, it has become obvious that soft AC is not going anywhere for them. Even despite their attempt to position themselves as a local St. Augustine station, it appears listeners still prefer Jacksonville stations - especially WEJZ. With Sunny's poor signal, I would think even listening in offices in St. John's County has challenges and this negates their attempts to be a local listen at work station.

I have always thought that WSOS should reflect the uniquness of the community it serves. If you think about St. Augustine, the community is really unique and special. With it's history, tourist appeal and attraction to artists and cafe entertainers, I've always thought similarities on a smaller scale could be drawn to New York's "Greenwich Village." Smooth Jazz is a natural in diverse and unique communities. If they are thinking about making a change, they may want to consider flipping to Smooth Jazz and Smooth Vocals - especially since Tama gave up the format. In my visits to St. Augustine in the past, I recall hearing 105.5 in stores and restaurants. Just something to think about as apparenty there is a Jazz following there. The Summer Jazz festivals at the beach could also represent a great marketing opportunity for them as well.

For 100.7, I believe Jack or Variety Hits will have limited appeal and would be a hard nut to crack against a lot of stations that perform well with men given the number of rock and classic hits formats we have. We also shouldn't discount WOKV and their appeal with men. What we don't need is yet another station with similiar playlists. When 100.7 went with oldies, I always thought this would prove to be beneficial to WEJZ as older demos would be more comfortable and settle in with oldies thereby enhancing WEJZ's standing among 25-54 and especially the under 45s. Another thing to keep in mind is oldies performs well with woman AND men, and I think this would prove beneficial to the Renda cluster so they could be in position to sell multiple stations, including Gator.

But in the end, they own the choices they have made in the past and will make to postion themselves for the future.
 
Good Post John and I agree with what ya said!
 
Katism said:
less talk and more music = ratings

Interesting assumption for your 1st post! Can you document this in any major markets?
 
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