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Jazz In Trouble At KCSM?

KTVU (Channel 2) did a story this evening about venerable KCSM (91.1 FM) and its struggles to retain funding to keep its Jazz format on the air.

The station will be holding a pair of benefit concerts at Yoshi's in Oakland to help close the gap from its budget shortfall. The shows will take place at 8 PM and 10 PM on Tuesday, June 30.

More info about the benefit at:

http://www.yoshis.com/oakland/jazzclub/artistpopup?showid=738

The KCSM Jazz 91 website is at:

http://kcsm.org/jazz91/
 
Sadly, jazz has ALWAYS been in trouble on the air. Jazz takes brains, taste, and actual attention to listen to. Radio in general tends to cater to a lower common-denominator, and it's background to many people. The same can be said for classical, which also a relatively rare bird on the air today.
 
The video from Rita Williams' report about KCSM Jazz 91 is online at:

http://www.ktvu.com/video/19732212/index.html

By the way, this is my milestone 1700th post on this venerable site. I'm going out and buying myself a big blue balloon to celebrate.

I may even write "1700" on it with a Magic Marker to show off a bit.
 
Is KSCM finally running Bob Parlocha's syndicated jazz from the WFMT network? When I lived in the Bay Area a few years back, after the demise of KJAZ, it seemed silly that KCSM wouldn't carry it and bring him back on the air in his home market. "Dinner Jazz" was legendary, and the newer "Jazz with Bob Parlocha" should have been added to early evenings on either KCSM or KALW.

I also found that KCSM's version of jazz was always heavily dependent on brass and uptempo numbers. Chuey's Latin-jazz bias, perhaps? Personally, I much prefer the mix of instruments, tempos, and artists on KPLU in Tacoma/Seattle. Much more pleasant to listen to for a longer period of time, with a little more downtempo, some retro vocalists, and lots more guitar, piano, and small combos, creating the more-intimate sound that a good jazz station can offer.

Then it's also a matter of signal strength, and how much the announcers fit in with the music, and where they are likely to cause a 'tune out' by either breaking the mood or getting in the way with all of their slogans and stuff. Or saying "jazz" like they're smilin' at 'cha! instead of just speaking in a normal tone of voice.

I wish the best for KCSM - the Bay Area really needs a fulltime jazz outlet - or two. But I'd like to suggest that the decline of one station's listener base or fortunes shouldn't necessarily infer the weakness of an entire genre or format. Presentation can be just an important as content in attracting a broad, loyal audience.
 
I was at KCSM from 1981 - 1988 and during that time they had programming from NPR as well as other music shows. I think KCSM needs to revert back to some of that and keep some of the jazz programming in tact as well. I live in San Diego and we have KSDS (Jazz 88) from San Diego City College which does very well here.
 
Hate to say it, but for decades, jazz has been "in trouble" on the radio. Having been a musician even longer than I've been in radio, I note that jazz has also always been in trouble for live performance, along with classical. Both have difficulty as they are not mass appeal...you have to listen more actively and have a better understanding of music to really "get" them. For the purpose of this post, smooth jazz is not jazz.
 
SFStatic said:
Hate to say it, but for decades, jazz has been "in trouble" on the radio. Having been a musician even longer than I've been in radio, I note that jazz has also always been in trouble for live performance, along with classical. Both have difficulty as they are not mass appeal...you have to listen more actively and have a better understanding of music to really "get" them. For the purpose of this post, smooth jazz is not jazz.

Well I noticed that Classic Jazz, Smooth Jazz, Classical and Classic Blues is mainly confined to the Internet while rap gets higher listenership on FM radio.
 
recto101 said:
Well I noticed that Classic Jazz, Smooth Jazz, Classical and Classic Blues is mainly confined to the Internet while rap gets higher listenership on FM radio.

Do folks here realize that rap has lasted longer than rock. Rap is going on 30 years now. Rock lasted about 20.
 
SFStatic said:
Hate to say it, but for decades, jazz has been "in trouble" on the radio. Having been a musician even longer than I've been in radio, I note that jazz has also always been in trouble for live performance, along with classical. Both have difficulty as they are not mass appeal...you have to listen more actively and have a better understanding of music to really "get" them. For the purpose of this post, smooth jazz is not jazz.

Look New Age and Blues also have a hard time attracting a mass audience.
 
SFStatic said:
Hate to say it, but for decades, jazz has been "in trouble" on the radio. Having been a musician even longer than I've been in radio, I note that jazz has also always been in trouble for live performance, along with classical. Both have difficulty as they are not mass appeal...you have to listen more actively and have a better understanding of music to really "get" them. 

I got turned on to jazz when I told my rock teacher I was tired of playing in 3-chord bands.  I really liked the jazz concept of each soloist improvising over a previously agreed-upon structure.  It's like teamwork that encourages each individual to stretch while making sure the group delivers.  Marian McPartland, host of one of radio's LONGEST running shows Piano Jazz, says what she likes about jazz is you never perform a song the same way twice.

People everywhere say they're dieing for creativity, in their work and in what they listen to.  Appreciating jazz requires its own patience which is in extremely short supply today (not to mention discipline by both performers and listeners.  Alas, saying that propagates the stereotype that jazz is for snobs by snobs, which it's not!)

Maybe if we get a jazz artist to perform an outburst like Kanye West, we'll get more West Coast Blues, so to speak.
 
Questor said:
People everywhere say they're dieing for creativity, in their work and in what they listen to. Appreciating jazz requires its own patience which is in extremely short supply today (not to mention discipline by both performers and listeners. Alas, saying that propagates the stereotype that jazz is for snobs by snobs, which it's not!)

What's interesting about the snob comment is that jazz began as an outcast kind of music and stayed that way for much of its existence. I trace jazz back to the days of the klezmer bands led by folks such as Abe Lyman. http://www.archive.org/details/SanByAbeLymansSharpsAndFlats1928

Anyhow, there are a lot of really really great jazz players today, people in their 20s and 30s who are only now being discovered by Yoshi's (thanks mainly to attendance tanking at Yoshi's and their being forced to look beyond the heavy hitters to get audience). I'm pleased that Adam Theis' Jazz Mafia managed to sell out a bunch of shows at Yoshi's after equally strong sellouts as part of the SF Jazz Festival special concerts series.

Even so, jazz has a hard road to mass popularity.
 
DavidKaye said:
Questor said:
People everywhere say they're dieing for creativity, in their work and in what they listen to. Appreciating jazz requires its own patience which is in extremely short supply today (not to mention discipline by both performers and listeners. Alas, saying that propagates the stereotype that jazz is for snobs by snobs, which it's not!)

What's interesting about the snob comment is that jazz began as an outcast kind of music and stayed that way for much of its existence. I trace jazz back to the days of the klezmer bands led by folks such as Abe Lyman. http://www.archive.org/details/SanByAbeLymansSharpsAndFlats1928

Anyhow, there are a lot of really really great jazz players today, people in their 20s and 30s who are only now being discovered by Yoshi's (thanks mainly to attendance tanking at Yoshi's and their being forced to look beyond the heavy hitters to get audience). I'm pleased that Adam Theis' Jazz Mafia managed to sell out a bunch of shows at Yoshi's after equally strong sellouts as part of the SF Jazz Festival special concerts series.

Even so, jazz has a hard road to mass popularity.

Yeah - I guess so. Speaking only for myself - I've never understood why jazz is so inaccessible for so many people. Disclaimer: I'm not a musician, though I played classical piano as a kid for about 5 years, so maybe I'm slightly more sophisticated that the average listener.

It's true that listening to real jazz music "properly" takes concentration. But I've always found that jazz is pleasant, and easy to listen to when I'm at home just doing stuff around the house and not able to concentrate. So I often use KCSM much as other people use KOIT.
 
Lkeller said:
Yeah - I guess so. Speaking only for myself - I've never understood why jazz is so inaccessible for so many people. Disclaimer: I'm not a musician, though I played classical piano as a kid for about 5 years, so maybe I'm slightly more sophisticated that the average listener.

Compare music to food. The vast majority of people are very happy eating a Big Mac. It's satisfying. It's easily accessible. It's uniform wherever it's made. Well, the vast majority of people like music that is satisfying, easily accessible, and uniform. I play button accordion at parties and on the street and at farmers' markets and the like. I get the biggest tips and the most appreciation for the simplest of songs and the songs that spark pleasant memories. Thus, I do well with various Bob Dylan, Monkees, and other pop tunes and TV theme songs. None of this is the least bit challenging for me to play.

It's true that listening to real jazz music "properly" takes concentration. But I've always found that jazz is pleasant, and easy to listen to when I'm at home just doing stuff around the house and not able to concentrate. So I often use KCSM much as other people use KOIT.

Well, I wouldn't say concentration, actually. I think that once a person is educated in jazz (or bluegrass, or Western swing, or chamber music, or symphonic, or any number of specialty genres) and knows what to listen for, it just jumps out at you, so you don't need to concentrate at all.

Jazz is big in tributes. A soloist is apt to play a riff that imitates John Coltrane, or Bix Beiderbecke or Louis Armstrong or whomever. When you're familiar with Coltrane or Bix or Armstrong, you smile and nod when you hear the tribute riff jump out at you.

Or when you know how a tune should go and the band or the soloist changes the beat or plays it slightly flat or using different chords. One example is the "Star Spangled Banner" as sung by a member of the San Francisco Mime Troupe. Their rendition is designed to fit into one octave so that anyone can sing it, so some notes are lowered. The new rendition makes a lot of sense musically, but when most people hear it they laugh because they know how it's supposed to go. I've looked all over the Web to find it but apparently they've never released it. It's a hoot.

So, jazz and other specialized genres, I think, are more about getting a little education in the music and then it all makes sense. This is true of food, too. If a person learns about various spices they can then appreciate a dish when it's made with those spices.

I usually use the color pink as an example. Growing up I knew pink. Pink was a light red, a whitish red. Pink was pink, or so I thought. But then I was educated in the colors fuchsia, salmon, rose, and coral. Now that I know more about pink I can differentiate the shades. Until I know about pink I couldn't. Pink was pink.
 
Good analogies, David. My point was - I can listen to jazz (like some classical music) when I have the time and can clear my mind to really listen - I guess that's why I used the word "concentrate." But on the other hand, I also find jazz quite pleasing as background music when I'm working at the computer or sweeping the back patio. It's relaxing and uplifting. So I always find it accessible.

So I wouldn't say "Big Mac" (ugh), but let's say jazz can either be an In & Out cheeseburger, or a gourmet meal, depending on the time and my mood.

Last week I went to opera in the park. The most satisfying part of my listening was when I laid back, closed my eyes and drifted into a semi-sleep. I was still listening on some level, and certainly enjoying it, but was I "actively" listening at that point? No.
 
Wow! Jazz!

I grew up in NYC hanging out in Jazz clubs..ang getting Jazz on the radio ..commercial radio.

When I was a very young kid...some morning show played Dizzy Gillespie's "I beeped when I should have bopped"...I was hooked...then later hearing George Shearing's "September in the rain" on a jukebox..sealed it.

I later became a Jazz jock on a commercial station.(CBS affill..no less) in Hartford. I befriended and interviewed many greats(yes even Coltrane) Jon Hendricks became a friend of many years. Randy Weston, another friend.

I am not a musican...the music just turns me on. Yeah, I was a rock jock, too, also got into that.

When I lived in SF I always listened to KCSM...I even was there as a guest during a pledge week. BTW Alissa Clancy is one of the best Jazz jocks, ever.

One thing that pertains to this discussion is a memory of an interview with Stan Kenton in the '60's....he told me that "Jazz is Dead" I remember Downbeat Magazine mentioning that he said it. That was an era of Newport Jazz Festival fame.

If anyone wants to learn about Jazz..Check out Ken Burns series. It ran on PBS. Great!

My wife and I (she does most of the work) are in the process of downloading hundreds of our Jazz LPs to CDs
. I'm hearng stuff I haven't played in years...so much fantastic music.

Jerry Gordon News Anchor KNUU Las Vegas
 
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