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RoddyFreeman said:
Right, Ted Bundy could be charming too. Clients who really got to know Del Core and his pathological dishonesty couldn't wait to pull their adverstising as so many have. It's amazing the number of adverstisers this guy managed to alienate in under two years. More than falling ratings, the collapse of a client base is why Del Core is history at Clear Channel Atlanta.
You know....I did used to host Atlanta's least listened to country radio show, "Spam and Grits" for many years on WRFG.
As testimony to my lack of any discernable talent, I have had exactly ZERO job offers in 30 years.
Incredible as it may seem, I have floundered even worse as a broadcast engineer where I have garnered, yes.....zero job offers.
My ramblings here are simply the rants of a psychopath.....I would simply ignore them.
As testimony to my lack of any discernable talent, I have had exactly ZERO job offers in 30 years.
Incredible as it may seem, I have floundered even worse as a broadcast engineer where I have garnered, yes.....zero job offers.
My ramblings here are simply the rants of a psychopath.....I would simply ignore them.
"I have floundered even worse as a broadcast engineer where I have garnered, yes.....zero job offers."
I thought you were making a semi - honest dollar twisting wires together. The last crop of visionaries has either retired or died (Ferguson, Neil, McLendon, et al), and the new ones haven't stuck their heads up yet. But soeone will, someone always does. Maybe porn on AM?
I thought you were making a semi - honest dollar twisting wires together. The last crop of visionaries has either retired or died (Ferguson, Neil, McLendon, et al), and the new ones haven't stuck their heads up yet. But soeone will, someone always does. Maybe porn on AM?
I'm drivin' a car with a quarter million miles, holes in the seats, and one taillight.....and I don't look much better! Not whinin' bout it....just stating the facts! I personally always thought my country show would be very successful....I was just not much of a jock.
My understanding of economics and markets is elementary but you would expect market forces to affect/drive the product towards profitability. But profits are not the problem.....most major market FM stations, even the lower tiered stations, are printing money. Voice tracking is a result of "market forces." Now, I guess it could be argued that voice tracking has actually IMPROVED radio but IMHO voicetracking has sapped what little entertainment value there was in local radio away.
Atlanta is quite happy with the status quo, as is America. Cindy and Ray, Barnes, the dog hater, and the Regular Guys are just about "our cup of tea." (After all....Katie Couric is a *real* newsperson.) There will be no "vision" until the market demands it.
And that's the part I have trouble with. I know it's about business and profits are the key. But the market does NOT require innovation and "showbiz".....simply because the audience is not requiring "showbiz." Think about it....Howard Stern is the most successful "personality" in America and look at his show. This is the guy you want at your breakfast table every morning, with the wifey and kids gathered round, and this is the conversation you fill your head with to start the day.(For Atlanta, sub the Regular Guys....same schtick)
My understanding of economics and markets is elementary but you would expect market forces to affect/drive the product towards profitability. But profits are not the problem.....most major market FM stations, even the lower tiered stations, are printing money. Voice tracking is a result of "market forces." Now, I guess it could be argued that voice tracking has actually IMPROVED radio but IMHO voicetracking has sapped what little entertainment value there was in local radio away.
Atlanta is quite happy with the status quo, as is America. Cindy and Ray, Barnes, the dog hater, and the Regular Guys are just about "our cup of tea." (After all....Katie Couric is a *real* newsperson.) There will be no "vision" until the market demands it.
And that's the part I have trouble with. I know it's about business and profits are the key. But the market does NOT require innovation and "showbiz".....simply because the audience is not requiring "showbiz." Think about it....Howard Stern is the most successful "personality" in America and look at his show. This is the guy you want at your breakfast table every morning, with the wifey and kids gathered round, and this is the conversation you fill your head with to start the day.(For Atlanta, sub the Regular Guys....same schtick)
littlejohn said:
I would have wanted to go into broadcast engineering, but the entry-level jobs are not there. Even though I have five years of experience at WREK, my resume gets toileted because I'd be competing against folks who have 30 years of experience. And there is a glut of the latter due to consolidation of ownership. Therefore, in the current situation, it's very hard for newcomers to get the experience.
The situation is of course slightly better for TV engineers because of the increased complexity and lack of consolidation (though there are more duopolys/LMAs).
I'll probably be looking for a general counsel job at a broadcast group in a few years, which is probably even more competitive.
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taylorengineer said:
Well said, and herin lies the problem. CC has tried to control expenses of a deal that was a Wall street mistake in many ways. They built this 1200 plus model with no clear way to run them. They never had a bench, most of thier players were leftover from the companies they bought. so lets conolidate jobs...lets add a million units and crap up the marketplaces we are in by destroying the cost per point with neverending inventory. Lets take the "passion" out of the product by having a guy who grew up in news or pop, running urban, or country stations they know nothing about. There was a time that the GM lived and breathed the formats they served, and we had better radio. We are calling it in now. Then they want a trophy for less is more after they clearly wrecked the integrity of radio and their products.
To save money to please Wall Street, we have taken the heart out of radio.
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Well said, and herin lies the problem. CC has tried to control expenses of a deal that was a Wall street mistake in many ways. They built this 1200 plus model with no clear way to run them. They never had a bench, most of thier players were leftover from the companies they bought. so lets conolidate jobs...lets add a million units and crap up the marketplaces we are in by destroying the cost per point with neverending inventory. Lets take the "passion" out of the product by having a guy who grew up in news or pop, running urban, or country stations they know nothing about. There was a time that the GM lived and breathed the formats they served, and we had better radio. We are calling it in now. Then they want a trophy for less is more after they clearly wrecked the integrity of radio and their products.
To save money to please Wall Street, we have taken the heart out of radio.
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Excellent points. Add the fact the guy in charge wasn't even a success in a local market and you have recipe for failure. Replacing Randall Michaels with John Hogan was like dumping Cindy Crawford to marry Cindy Sheean.
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Well said, and herin lies the problem. CC has tried to control expenses of a deal that was a Wall street mistake in many ways. They built this 1200 plus model with no clear way to run them. They never had a bench, most of thier players were leftover from the companies they bought. so lets conolidate jobs...lets add a million units and crap up the marketplaces we are in by destroying the cost per point with neverending inventory. Lets take the "passion" out of the product by having a guy who grew up in news or pop, running urban, or country stations they know nothing about. There was a time that the GM lived and breathed the formats they served, and we had better radio. We are calling it in now. Then they want a trophy for less is more after they clearly wrecked the integrity of radio and their products.
To save money to please Wall Street, we have taken the heart out of radio.
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Excellent points. Add the fact the guy in charge wasn't even a success in a local market and you have recipe for failure. Replacing Randall Michaels with John Hogan was like dumping Cindy Crawford to marry Cindy Sheean.
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Now THATS funny...and true. JH was never a big deal, just right place right time. But who says the Mays family were ever great broadcasters? They know money, and I guess today, thats enough.
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Taylor is onto something. I think part of the reason that we don't have any local radio is that most folks in Atlanta aren't actually from Atlanta. The whitebread talent they keep bringing in like the RG are out of towners that spend the first 6 months trying to figure out how to pronouce dacula.
I'm convinced that the secret to the RG early success was SSS. Not because he was funny but because he was a local guy that at times would poke fun of the out-of-towners that he worked for.
Consolidation has led to generic radio.
Taylor sign me up for your show. I love grits.
I'm convinced that the secret to the RG early success was SSS. Not because he was funny but because he was a local guy that at times would poke fun of the out-of-towners that he worked for.
Consolidation has led to generic radio.
Taylor sign me up for your show. I love grits.
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LMFAO
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Equity in a market can pay great dividends. However, its only one aspect of relating to an audience.
A strong talent can learn the lay of the land, or in this case the lay of the perimeter pretty quick.
A strong talent can learn the lay of the land, or in this case the lay of the perimeter pretty quick.
atlradiofan3 said:
You could be right, I always felt like an outsider in Atlanta. Of course than probably had more to do with the fact I'm an arrogant a-hole.
Hey Snake-
Most engineering managers would give their right arm for a guy like you. The problem is....you would not be happy being chained to a pager for $60K/year.
If you really want a gig that you could probably do while at UGA contact me off list.....I know I guy in N Ga looking.
You will be financially and emotionally rewarded much better as the attorney than the engineer. Hell....the GM will actually invite you to lunch at the club and then a round of golf....while the engineer stays back at the station and unstops the toilet.
Most engineering managers would give their right arm for a guy like you. The problem is....you would not be happy being chained to a pager for $60K/year.
If you really want a gig that you could probably do while at UGA contact me off list.....I know I guy in N Ga looking.
You will be financially and emotionally rewarded much better as the attorney than the engineer. Hell....the GM will actually invite you to lunch at the club and then a round of golf....while the engineer stays back at the station and unstops the toilet.
Want everyone to know Clear Channel is keeping me on board as a "consultant". Apparently they have some more stations they want to run into the ground and, hey, Marc Chase can't be everywhere!
jerrydcore said:
JERRY DEL DORK FIRED AGAIN!!!!!! ;D
Tom Taylor said it well.
What I regret is here we go with yet another outsider coming to town trying to figure out and solve WGST's
problem.
Although wait a minute, if the new PD is from Tampa, and Gabe Hobbs is in Tampa and Bob Neal does all the thinking for Cox and HE's in Tampa maybe CC should go through Bob's trash and read some memos. Ever wonder why Cox with all their cut backs still keeps "consultants" around? I mean what does Mocheri do again?
What I regret is here we go with yet another outsider coming to town trying to figure out and solve WGST's
problem.
Although wait a minute, if the new PD is from Tampa, and Gabe Hobbs is in Tampa and Bob Neal does all the thinking for Cox and HE's in Tampa maybe CC should go through Bob's trash and read some memos. Ever wonder why Cox with all their cut backs still keeps "consultants" around? I mean what does Mocheri do again?
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