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JODY DEAN LEAVING CH. 11; NEW CONTRACT WITH KLUV
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TheLaffer
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VOXPOP said:
Jody leaving Ch.11 coul;d be a mistake. It's pretty well known Jody was not first choice or even 2nd choice with certain managers at CBS-Dallas of which one is gone and the other is still in the building.. I've been told by a few people there is no love lost between the KLUV PD and Jody. You may think Jody is a great replacement because he was handpicked by Ron Chapman not all share that opinion within mamagement.
The morning numbers aren't that great either especially 25-54 so i'd say leaving Ch.11 wasn't the smartest move unless of course he was forced out.
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PigLatin
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The show's problem is that everyone laughs like maniacs at bad jokes. The laughter is so obviously forced and fake that it becomes offensive to the listeners' intelligence. KLUV wants to attract younger listeners. But younger demos see right through that fakery. They want Letterman humor, not Carson. Kluv's morning show is a Johnny Carson show.
And I'm not knocking Carson. He was a comedic genious. But every generation's funny bone is a bit different.
This isn't an endorsement of Jody Dean, but since when did we start worrying about what CBS management thinks when it comes to talent? And who cares what a corporate picked PD thinks? If you're serious about chasing success, you should keep that group out of the room.
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rbrucecarter5
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I get really angry at some of the things I have read here. Jody Dean has proved himself to be a worthy replacement to Ron Chapman. I had grave doubts at first, but the ratings for KLUV's morning show actually increased over Ron Chapman's ratings. And I really like the morning show as it is now. Ron was great. Jody is great. They are different men with slightly different styles. But when the history of KLUV is written, there will be the Ron Chapman era, and the Jody Dean era - both of which were great.
As for humor being different - the only thing about today's humor that I find different is that it is vulgar and crude. Jokes about bodily functions and fluids, sexual innuendo, profanity - guess what: I do NOT laugh. The great comedians of the past are gone. Fortunately, there is a new generation of genuinely funny comedians that do not resort to vulgarity to get a laugh. Amanda Bynes, the comedy team of Drake and Josh - they will have you laughing hysterically without once resorting to vulgarity. There are quite a few around like me that have morals and do not laugh at today's humor. We prefer to be removed quite a distance from our very distant simian ancestors. You want to laugh at vulgarity - fine. Just don't expect me to.
As for humor being different - the only thing about today's humor that I find different is that it is vulgar and crude. Jokes about bodily functions and fluids, sexual innuendo, profanity - guess what: I do NOT laugh. The great comedians of the past are gone. Fortunately, there is a new generation of genuinely funny comedians that do not resort to vulgarity to get a laugh. Amanda Bynes, the comedy team of Drake and Josh - they will have you laughing hysterically without once resorting to vulgarity. There are quite a few around like me that have morals and do not laugh at today's humor. We prefer to be removed quite a distance from our very distant simian ancestors. You want to laugh at vulgarity - fine. Just don't expect me to.
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yardape101
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I'm with rbrucecarter. I think Jody Dean's program is very good. The team doesn't appear, top me, to be laughing insincerely - they just appear to find the same kind of stuff funny. And if I myself don't find it "knee-slapping funny", it does, at the very least, make me smile. And smiles last a lot longer than laughs.
I also agree this is a great move for Jody. I was actually surprised he had gone back to Channel 11 in the first place. I have a relative who has often worked two full-time jobs on a regular basis, and doesn’t get much sleep as a result. I think this move will benefit Jody and KLUV as it allows him to focus his energy on his radio show. Plus it allows him to spend more time with his family.
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KPLEXCOMPLEX
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It was a stretch for Jody to do both. He did very well over all. If he should leave KLUV one day,he will have one of the tv channels to fall back on. Not bad. For now it is a good move on his part. His morning show along with Jonathon Hayes ( who has a helluva sense of humor) moves along and is funny MOST of the time,unlike Lex and Terry,Walton and Johnson's crap. Jody loves his kids and this affords him an opportunity to spend more time with them,before it is too late.
He may start posting again here as well
,and that would be far better than "the CONsultant".
He may start posting again here as well
,and that would be far better than "the CONsultant".
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rbrucecarter5
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KPLEXCOMPLEX said:He may start posting again here as well
I don't think he likes me very much because I LOATHE country music ---- but then if you grew up in Midland, TX, and were treated very poorly by the rednecks out there, you would, too. I'm not complaining - avoiding country music started me on my career: http://www.mindspring.com/~brucec/bg.htm
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KPLEXCOMPLEX
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Midland Texas is paradise compared to Dumas,Texas. Talk about a one single mind town. The "CONsultant" tag was not aimed at Jody BTW.
Let see if he can get along with his co-workers. I think his biggest issue was more internal than anything else. He wasn't all that well liked by his co-workers on the radio side, could be his attitude toward some. Anyway, he has talent. Personally....well I will keep it to myself. I didn't like Chapman and he had a very successful show for many years, so maybe Dean could finally get it going being on KLUV.
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TheLaffer
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radioman921 said:
When you’re a morning man with talent and make lots of money people are going to be jealous especially of morning guys. In many cases high profile jocks behavior is always overly scrutinized and even exaggerated by others.
Point well taken.......
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PigLatin
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So you think jealous co-workers are slandering him? I bet no one wishes that were true more than those co-workers. But too many of them have been sucked into his drama. And too many have been subjected to his verbal and emotional abuse. The only bright side, I guess, is that, as far as I know, he left the physical stuff behind at KRLD.
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KPLEXCOMPLEX
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He left a lot at KRLD. He had his "Jesus Meeting" and has changed a lot ,and its still a work in progress.
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PigLatin
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Indeed.
Jody needs no one to defend his actions or himself. But in his absence, I will say that there had to be more than Ron to give him a blessing for him to land that gig. Many may argue that there might be a better candidate, but Jody is who KLUV and CBS selected, and he and his crew have done well. Just take a look at the numbers if you have access to them.
Radio is a competitive, emotional and passionate business (for those who still take it seriously) and thankfully, it is still filled with people who would die for their stations. Perhaps there were a few of you who got in the line of fire of that energy. It is my hope that your wounds never heal, and serve as scars of battle for a medium and product that you would give your all for. This was never an industry for the thin skinned, timid or weak.
Feelings don't matter. Ratings do.
For the record, since this thread was about him leaving KTVT, the last time he and I spoke, I told him that he should focus his energy completely on TV. I was sure he would wind up on CNN. I thought he was that good. -and he is.
Go Paschal Panthers!
Radio is a competitive, emotional and passionate business (for those who still take it seriously) and thankfully, it is still filled with people who would die for their stations. Perhaps there were a few of you who got in the line of fire of that energy. It is my hope that your wounds never heal, and serve as scars of battle for a medium and product that you would give your all for. This was never an industry for the thin skinned, timid or weak.
Feelings don't matter. Ratings do.
For the record, since this thread was about him leaving KTVT, the last time he and I spoke, I told him that he should focus his energy completely on TV. I was sure he would wind up on CNN. I thought he was that good. -and he is.
Go Paschal Panthers!
There is much truth to what Josh has posted.
Those who are successful in the business are usually the ones with much PASSION for the job.
Was Chapman occasionally in your face, or overbearing AT TIMES? Absolutely! But MOST of the time if you were DOING YOUR JOB, you were treated with more respect than you'd get ANYWHERE! And you were also getting the best education in the industry while being paid! That's not an excuse, no one likes to be treated less than respectfully, myself included, and trust me I had my share of "moments" with Ron, but at the end of the day he was almost always correct in what he was saying - I may not have cared for the way the message was conveyed, but the message usually stuck pretty well, which was all he wanted anyway.
It is a business that requires thick skin on occasion. Face it, most people get into radio to feed their ego, and that is a lethal combination when a type A personality is involved!
Today things are so politically correct that if anyone raises their voice it has everyone thinking lawsuit or something. Grow up.
Those who are successful in the business are usually the ones with much PASSION for the job.
Was Chapman occasionally in your face, or overbearing AT TIMES? Absolutely! But MOST of the time if you were DOING YOUR JOB, you were treated with more respect than you'd get ANYWHERE! And you were also getting the best education in the industry while being paid! That's not an excuse, no one likes to be treated less than respectfully, myself included, and trust me I had my share of "moments" with Ron, but at the end of the day he was almost always correct in what he was saying - I may not have cared for the way the message was conveyed, but the message usually stuck pretty well, which was all he wanted anyway.
It is a business that requires thick skin on occasion. Face it, most people get into radio to feed their ego, and that is a lethal combination when a type A personality is involved!
Today things are so politically correct that if anyone raises their voice it has everyone thinking lawsuit or something. Grow up.
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PigLatin
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Steve, that's a very sad post. I could say that, like Holstead, you're an enabler, but I think in your case it's worse than that. Like a child who was abused and then grows up to abuse his own children, you are attempting to pass Chapman's sickness on to the next generation. At the least, you are attempting to justify that behavior.
I don't blame you for trying to look on the bright side. Sure, you learned some things from him. But understand that you can concede that without also embracing his sick behavior as virtuous.
Chapman was often surrounded by less talented, but equally ambitious people who aspired to be radio stars. That sort of person rarely has the backbone to stand up for himself. And he goes one further: he starts to believe that enduring abuse is a necessary part of paying dues. Or a necessary means to gaining access to valuable career information and learning.
I won't tell you to "grow up." But I'll warn you that, by defending Chapman, you are defending a textbook case of someone with the emotional maturity of a child.
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jdean
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Although I still check this site to see what folks are talking about, I've made it a practice not to post here. There are some good folks here, but there are also way too many embittered wannabes who think they have the inside scoop, and get their jollies not from talking radio but from sniping from the shadows.
Say what you want about me, or my drama. The fact is we had a pretty good laugh about these posts in the office the other day - meaning, me and the folks who are said to dislike me behind my back. Or maybe we just get on each other's nerves from time to time, like everyone else on this planet. Neverthless, insofar as it depends on me, they aren't going anywhere for awhile - and apparently, neither am I. Whether that's good or bad is a matter of personal opinion, but it is a fact.
And you can say what you will about our approach or content. If you like it, fine. If not...that's why the good Lord put several buttons on the dial. And evidently the ratings an revenue are sufficient to move our employers to keep us on for a bit longer.
But when you negatively broach the subject of a friend, that's different. Steve Eberhardt and I saw every attribute Ron Chapman has to offer. Like everyone else, his character contains both bad and good. The reason so many of us love this man is because we believe the good vastly outweighs the bad, both personally and professionally. We didn't always like him, or what he had to say - but over the last few years many of us have come to understand what motivated this man and what he was trying to get accomplished. Never mind the fact that he was a single father trying to ensure provision in an industry bristling with failure and foolishness. Never mind that the success or failure of his station - and its people - largely rode on his shoulders. Never mind that he has always seen talent and potential and has done whatever it took - even if that was unpleasant - to get people to be what they could be.
Did that grate on us? Yes. Badly. So badly that it ran off the pretenders - most of whom have never forgiven him for finding them out and exposing their own character issues. In truth, he told us many things we weren't ready to hear - sometimes, very harshly. Scott West and Tim Vasquez once had to use a bottle of Scotch and five hours at Louie's to talk me out of shooting the man for tossing me out of a meeting. Looking back, I should have been tossed. In fact, I should have been fired - many times over. It would have been a favor - but then so was Chapman's patience.
I could also mention the thousands of kindnesses he has done for people that have never seen the light of day - people who were in no position to benefit Chapman. The poor, the bereaved, the heartbroken - stories I witnessed and remember, and which I'm obliged not to tell. Yet in spite of the unspeakable pressure put on this man by his company and himself, he found the time.
Can Ron be rude, abrupt, hurtful, or abusive? Yes. Most people have those facets buried within them. Few do not, and even most of those had to work past them. These attributes are by no means virtuous, but that doesn't preclude the individual from being virtuous overall. Great men have great strengths and great flaws. Good men simply have more of the former and fewer of the latter. But no one is perfect. And all in all, Ron is a great man. And he is a good man.
Pig Latin, I've changed...but not completely. There are still many things I have to work on every day. Some days, I'm more successful at it than others. I don't mind the criticism when it comes because it's usually valid or justified. But I'm far from "good". One thing I have a terrible time with is when someone goes after a friend of mine, particularly when they are anable or unavailable to speak for themselves. Call it whatever you like, but the "physical stuff" hasn't been left that far behind - and your ignorant analysis of Chapman and Steve begs its employ.
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Say what you want about me, or my drama. The fact is we had a pretty good laugh about these posts in the office the other day - meaning, me and the folks who are said to dislike me behind my back. Or maybe we just get on each other's nerves from time to time, like everyone else on this planet. Neverthless, insofar as it depends on me, they aren't going anywhere for awhile - and apparently, neither am I. Whether that's good or bad is a matter of personal opinion, but it is a fact.
And you can say what you will about our approach or content. If you like it, fine. If not...that's why the good Lord put several buttons on the dial. And evidently the ratings an revenue are sufficient to move our employers to keep us on for a bit longer.
But when you negatively broach the subject of a friend, that's different. Steve Eberhardt and I saw every attribute Ron Chapman has to offer. Like everyone else, his character contains both bad and good. The reason so many of us love this man is because we believe the good vastly outweighs the bad, both personally and professionally. We didn't always like him, or what he had to say - but over the last few years many of us have come to understand what motivated this man and what he was trying to get accomplished. Never mind the fact that he was a single father trying to ensure provision in an industry bristling with failure and foolishness. Never mind that the success or failure of his station - and its people - largely rode on his shoulders. Never mind that he has always seen talent and potential and has done whatever it took - even if that was unpleasant - to get people to be what they could be.
Did that grate on us? Yes. Badly. So badly that it ran off the pretenders - most of whom have never forgiven him for finding them out and exposing their own character issues. In truth, he told us many things we weren't ready to hear - sometimes, very harshly. Scott West and Tim Vasquez once had to use a bottle of Scotch and five hours at Louie's to talk me out of shooting the man for tossing me out of a meeting. Looking back, I should have been tossed. In fact, I should have been fired - many times over. It would have been a favor - but then so was Chapman's patience.
I could also mention the thousands of kindnesses he has done for people that have never seen the light of day - people who were in no position to benefit Chapman. The poor, the bereaved, the heartbroken - stories I witnessed and remember, and which I'm obliged not to tell. Yet in spite of the unspeakable pressure put on this man by his company and himself, he found the time.
Can Ron be rude, abrupt, hurtful, or abusive? Yes. Most people have those facets buried within them. Few do not, and even most of those had to work past them. These attributes are by no means virtuous, but that doesn't preclude the individual from being virtuous overall. Great men have great strengths and great flaws. Good men simply have more of the former and fewer of the latter. But no one is perfect. And all in all, Ron is a great man. And he is a good man.
Pig Latin, I've changed...but not completely. There are still many things I have to work on every day. Some days, I'm more successful at it than others. I don't mind the criticism when it comes because it's usually valid or justified. But I'm far from "good". One thing I have a terrible time with is when someone goes after a friend of mine, particularly when they are anable or unavailable to speak for themselves. Call it whatever you like, but the "physical stuff" hasn't been left that far behind - and your ignorant analysis of Chapman and Steve begs its employ.
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KPLEXCOMPLEX
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Welcome back Jody and very well spoken I might add.
There is one exception I will take,and that is the use of "nics". The use of the"nic" is protection from those who would blackball others, because they chose to speak out,offer an opinion,etc. "Those" are the ones who rather sabbotage anothers career for the sheer pleasure of meaness,despite their target possibly having more talent than they. I know, I have been a victim of one mentally dysfuctional person myself from time to time. There are "bosses" who don't want their employees speaking,regardless if the subject does not pertain to their station. So "Nics" in most cases are justified.
I agree there are "Nics" who just like to "flame a thread"," vent their jealousy, envy,and (once again) "meaness" towards another brethren in our business. It would be nice if one day we could all use our real names without fear of reprisal from some warped co-worker, a nasty boss,etc. That unfortunately will never happen,more so today than ever.
Thomas Payne who wrote "Common Sense" was a "nic" as was Mark Twain,and many others. Though some of us are not as gifted writers as they were, the precedent was set long before the internet.
There is one exception I will take,and that is the use of "nics". The use of the"nic" is protection from those who would blackball others, because they chose to speak out,offer an opinion,etc. "Those" are the ones who rather sabbotage anothers career for the sheer pleasure of meaness,despite their target possibly having more talent than they. I know, I have been a victim of one mentally dysfuctional person myself from time to time. There are "bosses" who don't want their employees speaking,regardless if the subject does not pertain to their station. So "Nics" in most cases are justified.
I agree there are "Nics" who just like to "flame a thread"," vent their jealousy, envy,and (once again) "meaness" towards another brethren in our business. It would be nice if one day we could all use our real names without fear of reprisal from some warped co-worker, a nasty boss,etc. That unfortunately will never happen,more so today than ever.
Thomas Payne who wrote "Common Sense" was a "nic" as was Mark Twain,and many others. Though some of us are not as gifted writers as they were, the precedent was set long before the internet.
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