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Joe Castiglione recognized for 30 years on the job
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ArtSpooner
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My only criticism would be that I thought his call of the final out of the 2004 World Series could have been better than "Do you believe it?". He had plenty of time to think of something better. If the game had ended on a walk-off or a fantastic fielding play, it would have been one thing, but it was a routine grounder back to the pitcher, when they had a comfortable lead in the game and a 3-0 lead in the series.
I don't have any suggestions, but I'm not in the business.
I don't have any suggestions, but I'm not in the business.
I thought "Can you believe it?" was a perfect call for the situation. Sure the routine grounder to end the game wasn't unbelievable, but the 10 day run from the end of the 19-8 Game 3 debacle to sweeping the World Series in four games was as unbelievable as these things get. The call had the feel of spontaneity while clearly being part of a premeditated and perhaps rehearsed call.ArtSpooner said:
Now his turn of a seeming off-the-cuff remark into a trademark catch-phrase since the '04 World Series is what has ruined it a bit for me.
Just my little old opinion......but:
Leave it to the Red Sox to celebrate the mediocrity of someone whose only accomplishment has been to remain mediocre for 30 years.
OY ! ! !
Leave it to the Red Sox to celebrate the mediocrity of someone whose only accomplishment has been to remain mediocre for 30 years.
OY ! ! !
Nobody would ever doubt you're a local, taking a big ol' dump on somebody's great accomplishment.
It was uncalled for and disrespectful, especially when you don't back it up. You may not personally like him, but you sure don't hang in this business for 30 years if you don't produce results.
It was uncalled for and disrespectful, especially when you don't back it up. You may not personally like him, but you sure don't hang in this business for 30 years if you don't produce results.
Dighton Rockhead said:
That was a bit below the belt.
And you call the games for which team, again?
I like Joe C and his trivia, mannerisms, and yes he's a "homer" but I have no problem with that.
At least he isn't Glenn Geffner who was forced on us by Lucchino
It was a fun tribute. Good for him
At least he isn't Glenn Geffner who was forced on us by Lucchino
It was a fun tribute. Good for him
raccoonradio said:
Geffner's still doing Marlins games. I listen to him sometimes on Sirius XM. He's improved greatly from his year with the Red Sox -- his delivery is slower-paced and he isn't swallowing the ends of words the way he used to. Still can't say a bad word about the home team, but that's the PR background showing.
Agree about Joe being a homer. If you tune in with the game in progress, you can tell in seconds whether the Sox are losing. Nothing makes you feel more hopeless about the club than when Joe whines about "another squander" at the end of a futile inning.
Joe would be the FIRST to tell you he 'should' be a #2 announcer.
Back in 1989 everybody at Fenway thought Joe would be fired by WRKO at the end of the season but instead they fired Ken Coleman and brought in Bob Starr.
When Starr decided to go back to the west coast WRKO found Jerry Trupiano and Joe became the lead announcer.
Red Sox announcing today is 'weak'.
Dave O'Brien is top notch and in a perfect world should be the TV voice. Joe C happily gives Obie airtime.
Orsillo is a cheap version of Sean McDonough - but Sean did not fit in with the JWH ownership group and when they decided NESN would be the only local TV, Sean was shown the door.
Orsillo has proven himself on national playoff games on TBS since 2007.
I keep hoping that somebody finds a Jim Britt aircheck from WHDH/WNAC from the late 40/s-50/s - from all accounts he was the best Boston baseball announcer of all time. *Ned Martin said Britt was the best he ever heard.*
Back in 1989 everybody at Fenway thought Joe would be fired by WRKO at the end of the season but instead they fired Ken Coleman and brought in Bob Starr.
When Starr decided to go back to the west coast WRKO found Jerry Trupiano and Joe became the lead announcer.
Red Sox announcing today is 'weak'.
Dave O'Brien is top notch and in a perfect world should be the TV voice. Joe C happily gives Obie airtime.
Orsillo is a cheap version of Sean McDonough - but Sean did not fit in with the JWH ownership group and when they decided NESN would be the only local TV, Sean was shown the door.
Orsillo has proven himself on national playoff games on TBS since 2007.
I keep hoping that somebody finds a Jim Britt aircheck from WHDH/WNAC from the late 40/s-50/s - from all accounts he was the best Boston baseball announcer of all time. *Ned Martin said Britt was the best he ever heard.*
Fenway1912 said:
The problem is a No. 2 ought to provide color, insight, anecdotes. When Joe isn't doing play-by-play -- his strength -- he does little but rattle off statistics. That's something the main voice ought to be doing during the dead time inherent to every at-bat. "Ross fouls it back, 1 and 1 the count. When Cody is even in the count in night games like this one from the third inning on, he's hitting .355. That's second on the team to David Ortiz at .371. Verlander winds, delivers ... strike 2, fastball at the knees." See? No need for Joe to interject there. However, if there was a funny Cody Ross story the No. 2 announcer was told of the day before, he could certainly begin spinning the tale between pitches during the No. 1 guy's pauses.
One of Orsillo's first games was the Nomo no hitter and he was very low key when the game ended. Why not a bit more emotion? He said he thought he wasn't supposed to go that way. (Opp. side of spectrum was the hilarious "RAJAH CLEMENS IS IN STEINBRENNER'S BOX!!" call by Suzyn Waldman (Clemens returns to NYY)
Psst: Joe Castig grew up in CT as a...Yankee fan.
(Haven't read either of his books, maybe someday)
(disappointed tone of voice): "Swing an' a popup...he holds on to it...and the Red Sox lose..."
Psst: Joe Castig grew up in CT as a...Yankee fan.
(Haven't read either of his books, maybe someday)(disappointed tone of voice): "Swing an' a popup...he holds on to it...and the Red Sox lose..."
Replies #8 and #9 have pretty much "fleshed-out" what I should have included (but didn't) in my pithy little opinion in reply #3....the key word here bieng OPINION. I'm not presenting a legal case.....just expressing how I personally feel.
And....NO....It was not intended as a personal slam at "Joe Castig". By all accounts, Mr. Castiglione is one of the nicest people in the business.
That being said...I still find his style to be dull and bland....lacking "color". In a more perfect world, Dave O'Brien would be the lead announcer, wtih "Joe Castig" backing him up with color commentary.
And....again folks....my OPINION....I still find his voice to have a high-pitched whiny quality that I find grating to listen to for any extended period of time.
And....NO....It was not intended as a personal slam at "Joe Castig". By all accounts, Mr. Castiglione is one of the nicest people in the business.
That being said...I still find his style to be dull and bland....lacking "color". In a more perfect world, Dave O'Brien would be the lead announcer, wtih "Joe Castig" backing him up with color commentary.
And....again folks....my OPINION....I still find his voice to have a high-pitched whiny quality that I find grating to listen to for any extended period of time.
When you tune in the Red Sox game on radio and Joe is announcing, it takes an eternity for him to tell you the score and the inning. He dribbles on with trivial info while you are trying to find out the score. He should do what Red Barber used to do, have an old fashioned egg timer in front of him and when the sand runs out, give the score and the inning. Turn it over and do it again (every 3 minutes or so). On the radio, like on TV, you don't have a score box you can see.
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ArtSpooner
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I think the Nomo no hitter was, in fact, Orsillo's fist game. It wasn't the opener, but WSBK and Sean McDonagh were also doing games. I, for one, like Orsillo. He took a little getting used to, but I think he and Remy(who by all accounts is a pretty ornery guy) seem to have a genuine rapport. I also admire the fact that he worked his way up through the minors and rode the buses rather than get ahead because he had a famous father who was well known for exerting undue influence against people who crossed him.raccoonradio said:One of Orsillo's first games was the Nomo no hitter and he was very low key when the game ended. Why not a bit more emotion? He said he thought he wasn't supposed to go that way. (Opp. side of spectrum was the hilarious "RAJAH CLEMENS IS IN STEINBRENNER'S BOX!!" call by Suzyn Waldman (Clemens returns to NYY)
Psst: Joe Castig grew up in CT as a...Yankee fan.
(disappointed tone of voice): "Swing an' a popup...he holds on to it...and the Red Sox lose..."
When I first started listening/watching the Sox, Curt Gowdy and Bob Murphy were the announcers. They didn't have seperate Radio and TV guys. Murphy left when the Mets were formed and stayed over 40 years, and was replaced by Ned Martin. Castiglione is a decent announcer but he would definitely rank way down on my list of favorite sox play by play guys. Ned Martin would be my #1, with Gowdy, Coleman, Woods, ahead of Joe as far as radio announcers. I bet any of those guys would have come up with something better than "Can you believe it" in 2004.
ArtSpooner said:I think the Nomo no hitter was, in fact, Orsillo's fist game. It wasn't the opener, but WSBK and Sean McDonagh were also doing games. I, for one, like Orsillo. He took a little getting used to, but I think he and Remy(who by all accounts is a pretty ornery guy) seem to have a genuine rapport. I also admire the fact that he worked his way up through the minors and rode the buses rather than get ahead because he had a famous father who was well known for exerting undue influence against people who crossed him.raccoonradio said:One of Orsillo's first games was the Nomo no hitter and he was very low key when the game ended. Why not a bit more emotion? He said he thought he wasn't supposed to go that way. (Opp. side of spectrum was the hilarious "RAJAH CLEMENS IS IN STEINBRENNER'S BOX!!" call by Suzyn Waldman (Clemens returns to NYY)
Psst: Joe Castig grew up in CT as a...Yankee fan.
(disappointed tone of voice): "Swing an' a popup...he holds on to it...and the Red Sox lose..."
When I first started listening/watching the Sox, Curt Gowdy and Bob Murphy were the announcers. They didn't have seperate Radio and TV guys. Murphy left when the Mets were formed and stayed over 40 years, and was replaced by Ned Martin. Castiglione is a decent announcer but he would definitely rank way down on my list of favorite sox play by play guys. Ned Martin would be my #1, with Gowdy, Coleman, Woods, ahead of Joe as far as radio announcers. I bet any of those guys would have come up with something better than "Can you believe it" in 2004.
Bob Murphy left after the 1959 season and took the Orioles job at WBAL and then moved to the Mets in 1962.
Art Gleeson replaced him from 1960-64 and when Gleeson tied suddenly after the 64 season he was replaced by Mel Parnell.
Ned Martin replaced Bill Crowley who became the Red Sox PR director. Crowley was a drinking buddy of Yawkey and it was rumored he was the owner's eye on road games.
Murphy had replaced Ernie Harwell in Baltimore but knew his time there was limited as the Orioles really wanted Chuck Thompson to return. Hehad left Boston to become the #1 announcer in Balto.
ArtSpooner said:
The trouble with that call is that it was so obviously scripted it was absurd. It was Castiglione try ing to make "can you believe it" into a catch phrase. It sounds really forced.
My favorite Sox broadcast pairing was on WSBK, Sean McDonough & Bob Montgomery. Long before the pink hats. Remember the pause for Dana Hersey's station identification?
And congrats to Joe! Way to represent the South Shore!
And congrats to Joe! Way to represent the South Shore!
My favorite Red Sox broadcasting teams were Ned Martin with Jim Woods on the radio and Dick Stockton with Ken Harrelson on the TV side.
I can't believe it's been 30 years already for Joe C. Time really does fly. Congratulations.
I can't believe it's been 30 years already for Joe C. Time really does fly. Congratulations.
I remember when Hawk got in some hot water in the 70s, with the way he said "high fast ball." It sounded like "half-assed ball" with his accent and they got complaints.
Joe C is actually away from the broadcast booth for tonight's and tomorrow night's games. I was listening for an hour on my way home tonight and heard Dave and John Rish splitting the play by play. Took an inning and a half before Dave finally mentioned that Joe is attending a wedding in Connecticut this weekend and will be back for Sunday's game.
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