Joining shows in progress after sports events

[vchimpanzee]

NASCAR's race was over by 7, when "America's Funniest Home Videos" was to start. But they couldn't just send people to ESPN, like I've seen them do in other cases when the event coverage was going to run over. No, they did everything possible to delay and delay and delay until we had missed half our show. They must think we're idiots. It is true that this is one show where you don't need to see it all to follow what's going on, because there's no plot that must be followed from beginning to end. But anyone could have seen they started the show in the middle of a video, that one of the three finalists was not shown before they showed finalists, that most of the honorable mentions never aired before that segment, and that most of the videos with the closing credits never aired.

Now one year they had local news in those last 30 minutes, which is what they should do. Or "World News Sunday". Yet when they did that, there were $10,000 winners on the $100,000 show I had never seen. This explains what must have happened when coverage of the last NASCAR race didn't end until 8 because they had some end of the season ceremony.

This is no way to treat people. I don't even know if I ever saw the episodes I missed all or part of last season because of precisely this same thing. They actually condensed some epsiodes to 30 minutes and those had darn well better not be the ones I never saw all of in the first place. It's one thing if the race isn't over by 7, but I've seen them send people to ESPN before when they were running into the next show. There's no excuse for the more than excessive coverage of absolute trivia. What is ESPN for? Isn't there an entire channel devoted to racing? I know people enjoy knowing every little thing, but that's taking away from a show which people in the west get to see and people in the east don't. And it's not right.

If a sports event will run over, schedule a rerun. I'm sure they're getting lots of complaints from people like me who couldn't care less about sports.

And something similar happened to "Brothers". According to every TV listing I've seen, it was to be on at 7. That means no Fox football game, and there wasn't one in the listings. Then where did that Panthers-Saints game come from? Neither team is in the west. Why not play at 1:00? I have a season pass for "Brothers" and what taped was the end of a game.

 

[imhomerjay]

I think it was the episode of AFV where someone got hit in the crotch. You know, something different than the last 20 years.

On my guide, the race was scheduled until 7:30, not 7, with a half-hour AFV scheduled. Regardless, I'd take the bet that they're not exactly flooded with complaints about a few minutes less of 'cute' kids, animals doing goofy things and people being stupid for the camera.

As for Brothers, given how "well" it did on Fridays before being bounced off to Sundays, I'd take the football ratings any day.

 

[vchimpanzee]

I think it was the episode of AFV where someone got hit in the crotch. You know, something different than the last 20 years.

On my guide, the race was scheduled until 7:30, not 7, with a half-hour AFV scheduled. Regardless, I'd take the bet that they're not exactly flooded with complaints about a few minutes less of 'cute' kids, animals doing goofy things and people being stupid for the camera.

As for Brothers, given how "well" it did on Fridays before being bounced off to Sundays, I'd take the football ratings any day.

As I said, there were numerous videos not shown. That means people in the west got to see them, and that's not right.

What they should do is schedule all the dog videos for the entire season so they air during the first 30 minutes on these nights. And they should get complaints because this show is still on after 20 years, and an hour long, meaning people expect an hour.

 

[landtuna]

Living in the West does have its advantages. ;D

Can you go to the ABC web site and watch yesterday's episode?

BTW, it was REALLY good!

 

[vchimpanzee]

Living in the West does have its advantages. ;D

Can you go to the ABC web site and watch yesterday's episode?

BTW, it was REALLY good!

I don't know, but my Internet is too slow and doing it any other way is too unpleasant.

I don't mind waiting for the rerun if they'll just be sure and DO it, as that's what we had to do years ago.

But this is no way to be treated.

 

[MarcB]

Why don't they take after CBS? When Game 2 on CBS runs long (or if they didn't schedule it long enough) they run everything one their schedule, just delayed. My 9PM show "3 Rivers" ran 9:20PM-10:20PM immediately followed by Cold Case 10:20PM-11:20PM, and Eyewitness News 11:20-11:35PM. (EWN normally airs 11:00-11:15PM). Bernie's Sports Sunday ran 11:35PM-11:55PM. (Normally 11:15-11:35). I don't know if they showed 5 Mins of Commercials and started CSI New York at 12AM (25 mins later than they normally air it) or at 11:55PM.

 

[azumanga]

When "King Of The Hill", "Futurama" and "Malcolm In The Middle" was seen during the 7PM hour on Fox, most often the 7:30PM program would be JIP, with the 7PM show pre-empted outright. To add insult to injury, they would show the opening credits for the show, then join in progress (this especially happened to Malcolm).

When "The Weakest Link" was on NBC Sunday nights and was scheduled at 7PM, after an NBA game, the show would be JIP after the game. However, if Dateline NBC was scheduled at 7PM and Link at 8PM, Dateline NBC would be seen in its entirety after the game, with Link following in progress.

 

[jal41]

CBS does delay everything...which irritates those in my family who want to watch "60 Minutes" on time. If they did JIP...they would have a lot of people on their rear end.

Fox does JIP on their shows...which is why they air "The OT" in an attempt to minimize the need to JIP. They also tend to air a lot of replays of "The Simpsons" and "Family Guy" if there is a JIP done.

ABC has NASCAR races...but most of the races are done before the 6 PM news comes on. Every once in while the weather will reek havoc on the schedule. NBC currently does not have any sports (that I am aware of) that cause the need for JIP or delays on Sundays.

If the opposite were to occur...a game being cut off for regular programming (which occured in 1968 with the "Heidi Bowl"), there would be 1,000 time more complaints then JIP a scripted or reality program. People are religious when it comes to sports.

 

[MarcB]

If the opposite were to occur...a game being cut off for regular programming (which occured in 1968 with the "Heidi Bowl"), there would be 1,000 time more complaints then JIP a scripted or reality program. People are religious when it comes to sports.

Usually unless my team is involved, I wouldn't give a rat's tail if that happened. Personally I think it sucks when I'm watching a Family Guy rerun on TBS and they cut it off to switch to TNT's 2nd NBA game because the 1st Game ran long.

Actually Wendesday Night the NCAA basketball? game on ESPN ran long, so they cut off what-ever was on ESPN2 and ran Sports Center about the Yankees winning the World Series. When the game on ESPN finally ended they moved Sports Center over to ESPN and the whatever had been on ESPN2 resumed.

 

[bpatrick]

True, the Panthers and Saints are in the NFC South,
but the game was played in New Orleans; a 1 PM (ET)
start would have been noon in New Orleans. Second,
Fox got a bonus it probably didn't expect when the
schedules were originally made: the Saints are one of
two teams (Indianapolis is the other) still unbeaten.
I suspect a lot of people are watching both teams to see
if either or both can duplicate the '72 Dolphins (as New
England nearly did, losing only in the big one, a couple
or three years back). Thus, to me at least, the late start
actually makes sense.

I agree with the poster that viewers in the West (especially
the Pacific time zone) have it best; "60 Minutes" is on at 7
(PT) because the late games wind down between 4 and 5 PM
out there. So no problem with CBS having to back everything
up. Problem for me is, I get KCBS on DirecTV; living in the
Eastern time zone, that means "60 Minutes" doesn't come on
KCBS until 10, too late as early as I have to get up. So basically
I'm still stuck with the delayed Eastern start times.

 

[imhomerjay]

ABC’s position with Videos” is radically different than 60 Minutes. One is cheap, effective filler with wedding mishaps, goofy animals and crotch shot after crotch shot; the other is a considerably more successful undertaking that actually informs viewers. Joining one in progress to maintain the rest of a successful schedule (Housewives in particular) is the logical business decision there, vs. using the well-established football lead in as a benefit for the newsmagazine, which is the highlight of your night. There’s no good reason for ABC to delay its lineup for the rare race that runs to 7:30 ET, just because a few complainers don’t like missing the latest cat-falling-off-a-TV clip (which will be rerun anyway).

When Futurama or King of the Hill—both favorites of mine—were regularly cut short, I sucked it up and watched them in reruns. It happens for half the country, for less than a third of the year. Somehow I made it through OK, without being concerned that the other half of the country was somehow being treated “better.” Having things better or worse is a matter of perspective. Personally, I wouldn’t like having football at 10 in the morning, conflicting with when I attend church services, but if I should find myself living there someday, I’ll suck it up.

 

[DToTheJ]

Usually unless my team is involved, I wouldn't give a rat's tail if that happened. Personally I think it sucks when I'm watching a Family Guy rerun on TBS and they cut it off to switch to TNT's 2nd NBA game because the 1st Game ran long...

Buy the dang DVD's then!

 

[DToTheJ]

NASCAR's race was over by 7, when "America's Funniest Home Videos" was to start. But they couldn't just send people to ESPN, like I've seen them do in other cases when the event coverage was going to run over. No, they did everything possible to delay and delay and delay until we had missed half our show. They must think we're idiots. It is true that this is one show where you don't need to see it all to follow what's going on, because there's no plot that must be followed from beginning to end. But anyone could have seen they started the show in the middle of a video, that one of the three finalists was not shown before they showed finalists, that most of the honorable mentions never aired before that segment, and that most of the videos with the closing credits never aired.

Now one year they had local news in those last 30 minutes, which is what they should do. Or "World News Sunday". Yet when they did that, there were $10,000 winners on the $100,000 show I had never seen. This explains what must have happened when coverage of the last NASCAR race didn't end until 8 because they had some end of the season ceremony.

This is no way to treat people...

Need I remind people of the fallout from ABC over their decision to CUT OFF a NASCAR race in an attempt to start "AFHV" on time? ???

 

[imhomerjay]

In other words, there's no pleasing everyone. ;D

Wait, I know...put the race only on ESPN...but then what about the people without cable or satellite,not to mention the question of where to put the shows already scheduled on ESPN, which also have an audience. Oh wait, ESPN2, but then you bump those...

It's a lost cause. Sports on the weekends are a part of life. They mess with schedules into the evening sometimes in the east, and do some goofy things of their own in the west, albeit different goofy things. There is no single way to appease everyone--you'll win some, and lose some. Best to put on the big kid pants and accept that life isn't always perfect. 8)

 

[MarcB]

It's true. You can't please everyone. When I was a board op intern at a small radio station in Connecticut I suggested to the GM that we become the Hartford-area affiliate of The New York Giants. He said no because he didn't want to upset the listeners of the brokered Polka Show the station airs at 2PM every Sunday, even when I told him we could make more money running football than would be brought in by the Polka Show he said the extra money wouldn't be worth it to anger the Polka fans. I even suggested moving the Polka show to after the football games. Again no go. I mean come on. The Giants play 16 games a year. I don't have the schedule in front of me, but something like 8 games are Sunday at 1PM. 4 are at 4:15PM. And the remaining 4 are either Sunday night or Monday Night Games.

 

[bpatrick]

But don't you think it's frustrating for people
who don't care for football to tune in to CBS
for "60 Minutes" at 7/6, the game is still in
progress, and no one knows exactly when Morley
and company will be on?

Even if that's true, I don't think many people
(other than perhaps us TV freaks) think about
"one part of the country being treated better
than the others." CBS has been doing this
(backing up its Sunday schedule) at least since
"60 Minutes" hit number one in 1979, so I suspect
most people in the Eastern and Central time zones
are used to it by now. But living in the East, even
though I can get KCBS, I would not want to have to
depend on it because, as I said, I get up too early
to watch a show that starts at 10 (ET), so ultimately
I, too, grin and bear it even though I'm stuck with the
East Coast arrangement. But that's me; other people
have to deal with it (or with the loss of Futurama and/or
Family Guy when Fox has the doubleheader) as they see fit.

 

[quadraphonic]

NASCAR's race was over by 7, when "America's Funniest Home Videos" was to start. But they couldn't just send people to ESPN, like I've seen them do in other cases when the event coverage was going to run over. No, they did everything possible to delay and delay and delay until we had missed half our show. They must think we're idiots.

If it's this big a problem and you've given it this much thought, they might be right?
I'd look into it.
Really.

 

[imhomerjay]

But don't you think it's frustrating for people
who don't care for football to tune in to CBS
for "60 Minutes" at 7/6, the game is still in
progress, and no one knows exactly when Morley
and company will be on?

Sure. There are weeks I'd like to see Cold Case at 10 and it doesn't happen; when it starts at 10:30 or so, it tends to push past the limits of my schedule (and that's entirely my choice--I could sacrifice sleep; I decide not to). Instead, I set my DVR with an extra hour, and watch it at another time. That said, on the scale of frustrating things, when a TV show starts ranks pretty far down the list (perhaps it would be wonderful for that to be near the top of the list; that would certainly imply there aren't many more important things going on). It is, after all, just TV, and these scenarios only comes in to play a relatively few number of times per year.

 

[bpatrick]

I won't argue with you. But there are people
who wouldn't miss "60 Minutes" and, I suppose,
get frustrated when it doesn't get on at 7/6.
I like to think they're used to that possibility by
now (as I said, CBS has been doing it for 30 years),
but who knows? Me, I have no choice on the
Eastern feed but I can live with whatever time
it comes on since I have to go to bed pretty early.

 

[BRNout]

When "King Of The Hill", "Futurama" and "Malcolm In The Middle" was seen during the 7PM hour on Fox, most often the 7:30PM program would be JIP, with the 7PM show pre-empted outright. To add insult to injury, they would show the opening credits for the show, then join in progress (this especially happened to Malcolm).

Both shows faded fast when Fox stuck them into that time slot too. In fact, that spot has been "coffin corner" for a number of shows. I have no doubt that KOTH would have probably lived on a little longer had it not spent a couple of years in that time slot being pre-empted and JIP'd.

As for this weekend's AFV, I can tell you that my wife tried to wait patiently through what seemed like HOURS of excruciatingly BORING interviews with these drivers that I (a sports fan) have never friggin' heard of. It was absolutely brutal and we finally gave up and found something else to watch. While I agree that AFV is hardly earth-shaking and offers basically the same content week after week, it's also quite entertaining.

And yes homerjay, I do think that NASCAR belongs on ESPN - unless there's a real professional sporting event scheduled for ESPN that night. Then, drop it on the deuce where loyal NASCAR viewers can tune in, drink Pabst Blue-Ribbon, and watch cars go round and round and round and round and round the same track for hour after hour (after hour). :