Jon Daniels named one of the "Top 30 Programmers Under 30" by Edison Research

[MajorArmstrong]

Jon Daniels named one of the "Top 30 Programmers Under 30" by Edison Research

http://www.edisonresearch.com/home/archives/2007/05/edison_media_re_9.php

Interesting, Sean Ross and the boys just did a bunch of work at The Barn. I wonder if that colored the election process at all?

 

[wgliradio]

Re: Jon Daniels named one of the "Top 30 Programmers Under 30" by Edison Researc

What an insult to #'s 8-30. I'm sure Jon has talent, but it doesn't show on 94.3 in that environment. The station is godawful right now.. a total mess.

 

[radiosgreatest1]

Re: Jon Daniels named one of the "Top 30 Programmers Under 30" by Edison Researc

What an insult to #'s 8-30. I'm sure Jon has talent, but it doesn't show on 94.3 in that environment. The station is godawful right now.. a total mess.

I think a simulcast of WRCN would do the job...BAB does it and it gets the numbers. Also you dont have to pay the whole staff of MJC. Just a thought.

--Josh

 

[wgliradio]

Re: Jon Daniels named one of the "Top 30 Programmers Under 30" by Edison Researc

That would be the cheap way to go. That experiment failed in the mid 90's, but RCN was a different type of rock then.

I think they would do much better with a Coast type format only edgier.. no currents... 70's 80's 90's Hot AC/CHR stuff... deeper playlist that spans all genres. Some slick production values, clean up the audio (I think they have an Aphex 2020... time to sh*t can it).

This would cost money

 

[ericdavisroxx]

Re: Jon Daniels named one of the "Top 30 Programmers Under 30" by Edison Research

Jon is one of the most intelligent radio people I have ever had the opportunity to work with. This coming from someone who had some major creative differences with him while I was working with him at TMO.

Jon has a great understanding of radio statistics and knows better than anyone how to transpose formatics into sales dollars. He totally gets it when it comes to revenue over ratings. His methodology is scientific and that is what makes him one of the Top 30 Programmers Under 30.

Please do not fool yourself into thinking the antiquated ratings system that arbitron utilizes to measure success in radio is viable in this argument. It is not. Arbitron is light years behind present radio listening habits. This is one reason why the radio industry is disintegrating right before our eyes. The other of course is ipod tune out, satellite radio and the Internet. This is why advertisers are spending their former radio dollars with so many other alternative sources.

Please also keep in mind that Jon has never had a station with a decent signal. MJC's signal is weak. You cannot count WLIR, his tenure was short and never completely his, it was shared. If the Bone would have had a stronger signal we would have given BAB a better battle and we would have annihilated RCN. By the way, this is a little off topic but, BAB's success is predicated on a lack of competition. I liken BAB to a Prize Fighter that keeps fighting chumps! I can't respect a station that gives the same Zeppelin and Floyd Songs the number of spins it does every week. Q-104 doesn't count either. Put another Long Island Station on with a similar signal and a true Rock Format and BAB will hemorrhage numbers and cash.

If we were to take Jon and put him at a station that covered the entire Island or the tri-state area, I can assure you he would be successful and you would then see that this man truly is one of the TOP 30 Programmers Under 30. I heard WFNY may be hiring...Today At 5!

Amazing to see this coming from the guy that used to openly mock Jon on and off the air by calling him Harry Potter. You have to respect Jon. He works harder than any PD I know.

Oh yeah and I am not kissing his butt for a gig, I could care less about working in Long Island Radio. Most of these stations can't afford me to begin with, and I like doing what I am doing. The paychecks are bigger and the level of creativity that I am afforded is amazing!

Rock on Jon!

 

[wgliradio]

Re: Jon Daniels named one of the "Top 30 Programmers Under 30" by Edison Research

Jon is one of the most intelligent radio people I have ever had the opportunity to work with. This coming from someone who had some major creative differences with him while I was working with him at TMO.

Jon has a great understanding of radio statistics and knows better than anyone how to transpose formatics into sales dollars. He totally gets it when it comes to revenue over ratings. His methodology is scientific and that is what makes him one of the Top 30 Programmers Under 30.

Please do not fool yourself into thinking the antiquated ratings system that arbitron utilizes to measure success in radio is viable in this argument. It is not. Arbitron is light years behind present radio listening habits. This is one reason why the radio industry is disintegrating right before our eyes. The other of course is ipod tune out, satellite radio and the Internet. This is why advertisers are spending their former radio dollars with so many other alternative sources.

Please also keep in mind that Jon has never had a station with a decent signal. MJC's signal is weak. You cannot count WLIR, his tenure was short and never completely his, it was shared. If the Bone would have had a stronger signal we would have given BAB a better battle and we would have annihilated RCN. By the way, this is a little off topic but, BAB's success is predicated on a lack of competition. I liken BAB to a Prize Fighter that keeps fighting chumps! I can't respect a station that gives the same Zeppelin and Floyd Songs the number of spins it does every week. Q-104 doesn't count either. Put another Long Island Station on with a similar signal and a true Rock Format and BAB will hemorrhage numbers and cash.

Amazing to see this coming from the guy that used to openly mock Jon on and off the air by calling him Harry Potter. You have to respect Jon. He works harder than any PD I know.

Rock on Jon!

Please. MJC's signal is no worse than it was 15 years ago when it was Magic getting nearly a 4 share. And Magic was in a market served my K-Joy, WALK, LTW and EZN. The 94.3 signal covers the same area as B-103. No excuse

The format is a trainwreck. Everyone knows the station as Island. That's now been dumped for WMJC???? These are call letters that have had no meaning for over 12 years. This can't be HIS idea, can it?

The audio is horrible, the production values are sloppy, the whole effort sounds second rate. And BAB is not much better, but Island or MJC or whatever it's called is just as guilty of the same retreads of its own day after day, week after week. They had a chance to really do something when LIR left and blew it... BIG TIME.

And I don't know what the Harry Potter comment is about, and who it is directed at, but I have never discussed him on the air, nor do I even know what he looks like to discuss him. I don't care what he looks like, just step up to the plate a deliver engaging radio. If Island were MY station I would be embarrassed. If I were the PD and it was this way and I didn't have the control to change it, I would be finding a way to the exit.

 

[ericdavisroxx]

Re: Jon Daniels named one of the "Top 30 Programmers Under 30" by Edison Research

Jon and I used to work together at The Bone. I did mornings and I used to mock Jon. What I was trying to say was despite the fact that Jon and I did not have a great history, I still respect him.

As far as your comments:

When MJC had that 4 share Arbitron was still viable. The Arbitron system is no longer viable. Get your head out of the 80's and deal with reality. Arbitron is barely getting enough people to participate in their old and dated surveys. Look at the disparity in markets like Riverhead/Hampton's. One book a station has an 8 the next book a 4....please! That inconsistency is what Arbitron represents.

As for the station identity, it has been proven that time and time again Arbitron active listeners tend to identify the station by the frequency 94.3 more so than by the moniker. Ask any PD how important the Frequency is in the station identity. 98.5 The Bone, Island 94.3 and 92.7 WLIR, Walk 97.9. They all emphasize their Frequency.

Converting listeners from WLIR was never going to happen, they blew nothing! As a matter of fact they capitalized from a revenue standpoint which in the grand scheme of the industry isn't that what really matters? Money talks and Bulls**t walks!

I am not here to defend Jon, he can do that himself. I have been just voicing one mans opinion in my posts, just like you. To say that A PD should be embarrassed for a train wreck of a format plagued by a poor audio chain, bad production and a lack of engaging radio is pretty harsh. I would like to know what station you are presently or have programmed? I would also like to know what you would do if you were the PD of a hypothetical Long Island Station with a signal like MJC and resources similar to theirs? Step up and show us all you have a pair! Put your butt on the line and share your wisdom. It is easy to hang out in your "ivory radio tower" and point the finger, now step up!

 

[LIradiofan226]

Jon Daniels might be incompetent

Eric, I have no beef against Jon Daniels personally but it does seem to me that either he or whoever selects the music for the station seems to be totally inept. WMJC is a rock station mixed with uptempo pop music I think you'd agree. That's why you hear songs like Streetcorner Symphony and other songs of that type. As Phathead once told Cande Roth on the morning show he loves the group Chicago even though they don't play their tunes. For the same reason you don't hear Celine Dion or Josh Groban on WMJC. That's why this morning I was surprised to hear WMJC break format for one song and play Leanne Womack's weeper " I hope you dance." Don't get me wrong, it's a beautiful and stirring love song with an inspirational message, but how the hell does Daniels justify Womack on MJC? It would be like WALK or Lite FM belting out " Bad to the Bone."

 

[wgliradio]

Re: Jon Daniels named one of the "Top 30 Programmers Under 30" by Edison Researc

When MJC had that 4 share Arbitron was still viable. The Arbitron system is no longer viable. Get your head out of the 80's and deal with reality. Arbitron is barely getting enough people to participate in their old and dated surveys. Look at the disparity in markets like Riverhead/Hampton's. One book a station has an 8 the next book a 4....please! That inconsistency is what Arbitron represents.

First of all, the Riverhead/Hamptons book is a sub of a sub of New York and a waste of time. Nassau/Suffolk is a more stable sub. Like it or not, it is the system in place for buys and the numbers in Nassau/Suffolk are stable enough to give some sort of indication who is listening to what. You want a better system, so do I. So go get one. All the numbers in the world still doesn't change what can be heard with the human ear.

As for the station identity, it has been proven that time and time again Arbitron active listeners tend to identify the station by the frequency 94.3 more so than by the moniker. Ask any PD how important the Frequency is in the station identity. 98.5 The Bone, Island 94.3 and 92.7 WLIR, Walk 97.9. They all emphasize their Frequency.

But it is stupid to rid yourself of the slogan you have been positioning yourself with for the last 6 years for call letters which are irrelevent. Poor choice.

Converting listeners from WLIR was never going to happen, they blew nothing!

We'll never know that, now will we.

As a matter of fact they capitalized from a revenue standpoint which in the grand scheme of the industry isn't that what really matters?

Why is why from what I've heard they're begging clients to add 94.3 to their buys.

I would also like to know what you would do if you were the PD of a hypothetical Long Island Station with a signal like MJC and resources similar to theirs? Step up and show us all you have a pair! Put your butt on the line and share your wisdom. It is easy to hang out in your "ivory radio tower" and point the finger, now step up!

Since you asked, if I were running Barnstable, I would sell Love and RCN and put money back into the 4 other properties.

I would leave B-103 alone. I would stop going cheap on WHLI and inject the life back into it when Dean Anthony was alive.

KJY is another one that needs more life. Tesh is nice and all, but not at 5pm during drive time.

94.3 would either be Dance/CHR or Country or Gold AC, with lighter 70's, 80's & 90's hits (no currents) with the Magic slogan back (similar to what WKLI is in Albany and the Dove is in Tampa).

Totally in his defense, I don't think Jon has total control here. There are other cooks in this kitchen.

 

[slickkicker]

Re: Jon Daniels named one of the "Top 30 Programmers Under 30" by Edison Researc

Can Mr. Daniels pick a hit.

Tracking numbers from zero to 9 is probably a little less challenging.

 

[ericdavisroxx]

Re: Jon Daniels named one of the "Top 30 Programmers Under 30" by Edison Research

WG & Slick Sorry for the slow reply, I was making some money.

OK...reply time:

Can Jon Pick A Hit? Does that format really require him to pick a hit? If he was doing a CHR, that would become a relevant question. He is doing a Hot AC hybrid. He does not have to pick a hit.

The Riverhead/Hamptons book is indeed a sub of a sub. The system is antiquated and in need of an overhaul. If I were a media buyer, I would have a problem placing any dollars in a poorly sampled market. I guess this is why radio as an industry has seen revenues plummet. I say this from knowing a number of media buyers that have made this very statement. Arbitron no longer measures radio listeners adequately. I see and hear females 25-54 listening to this station all over the Island. In my own household the woman of the house loves the station. She wants to hear the hits, and every song played on this station is a hit. I want to hear rock, so Jon is out of luck with me. I feel emasculated when the woman of the house has MJC on.

It was not stupid to rid the frequency of a tired slogan. Stations do it all the time. Island was tired and slow. I never liked it to begin with. The change in slogan could attract new listeners. Think about it. How many times have we heard a station say NEW in their slogan? TOO MANY!!! This was another way to freshen up a moniker that had run its course.

Converting listeners was never going to happen. The P1's that they got were the P1's that could hear the station. Those P1's stayed because they recognized some of the music and Sue. They were not getting the LIR die hards from deep in western Nassau County and Queens. It was not going to happen. So don't give me this We'll never know that. It was never possible.

They are not begging clients. From my TSL, I hear ad after ad. Please don't talk from that dark place under your back and above your thighs. Disclaimer-My TSL is due to the chick that hangs out at my house.

As for what you would do...Why sell? It's silly. They can make a bag of loot from these properties. This is why they sold everything else.

Love is one of the better programmed stations on the Island. I think that every Doctors office should be playing love on the East End if they are not already. It is a good station for the over 35 female crowd.

RCN needs a lot of things. I have always felt that RCN could have given BAB a better fight if they would just do a better job of differentiating themselves from BAB. They need to be a fun and edgy station. They need a new identity. The signal stops at about 53 on the LIE, that sucks, but it was better than the BONE. I always wondered after I was given the bone at The Bone what I could have done with a few books at RCN. Too bad the thought never crossed their mind...HA HA! Rock could make a lot of money out east if someone did it right.

I agree that B-103 is in a great spot and WHLI is WHLI. They serve their demos well. KJOY is a station that has boggled my mind forever. They do need a live element where Tesh is and they do need to bump Tesh back a bit. Tesh is a 7pm-12am program at best.

As for Island, I do not totally agree with you. Dance is not an option. As a former "Dance" jock, I have to say that the format does not have the legs it needs, the format is dead. It is seasonal at best. If MJC could not stay in its present state as a PLJ alternative, I would take that in one of two directions...Possibly an EHM type of hybrid format with some of the old LIR stuff meshed in there. My second choice would be to go for the gusto and do what everyone says can't work. Country!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think that Country has evolved a bit since the last time it was in the market. There is a great deal of star power in this format. It could work with the right programming and marketing. Look at shows like Entertainment Tonight and that other TV tabloid rag. There is at least one or two references to Country Music Stars each night. It is a national format that could make some regional noise in New York. The female 18-34 Long Island demo would eat it up! The Hartford station does well in the Riverhead/Hamptons book on a consistent basis...why???

Finally...Jon may not have full control, I agree, but brotha's gotta eat...so the monkey does the dance. ;D That is good old common sense there fellas!

Good Night and Good Luck! Gotta go be a daddy in the morning!

 

[wgliradio]

Re: Jon Daniels named one of the "Top 30 Programmers Under 30" by Edison Research

I love people who come on here and brag about how much money they make per year. As if the money people earn means they know more about radio (Joel Hollander).

Country... or AAA would both be much better than what is on now. Finally, some sense out of you.

If Daniels can do that, get the station in the right direction.

As for the overhaul, this is where PPM is coming in, and if that's not good enough, shut it all off and throw away the key, OK? And they are begging clients... and they should rid themselves of the two east end stations because they obviously don't have the warchest to properly operate the stations they do have.... aka, they've bitten off more than they can chew.

If Jon's so good, he should be where he's got people dancing for him. Glad you could reply... got some 50kw AM's to keep on the air now... and some audio processors to design. Excuse me.

 

[wgliradio]

Re: Jon Daniels named one of the "Top 30 Programmers Under 30" by Edison Researc

But what genre is MJC? It's a bad traffic accident. It needs to stand out as something that is not being done in this market, but Barnstable is too AC happy with almost all of their stations (KJY, LVG, B-103, MJC all are or have AC-ish leans to them).

 

[radiosgreatest1]

Re: Jon Daniels named one of the "Top 30 Programmers Under 30" by Edison Researc

But what genre is MJC? It's a bad traffic accident. It needs to stand out as something that is not being done in this market, but Barnstable is too AC happy with almost all of their stations (KJY, LVG, B-103, MJC all are or have AC-ish leans to them).

i agree with you completely BZO is really more of a A/C or Classic Hits Station, theyve got KJOY, which i think has to much variety..and MJC..well we know whats goin on with that...HLI is fine...leave it!

 

[wgliradio]

Re: Jon Daniels named one of the "Top 30 Programmers Under 30" by Edison Researc

HLI is about the only station they have right... and it's the aged out demo station (so they say). There are a few train wrecks on HLI, but 90% of it is right. One glaring issue is the 2 jock rotation. There should be AM/Midday/PM drive.

 

[radiosgreatest1]

Re: Jon Daniels named one of the "Top 30 Programmers Under 30" by Edison Researc

HLI is about the only station they have right... and it's the aged out demo station (so they say). There are a few train wrecks on HLI, but 90% of it is right. One glaring issue is the 2 jock rotation. There should be AM/Midday/PM drive.

Your not the first person to realize this...do they have different Jocks on the weekends?

 

[wgliradio]

Re: Jon Daniels named one of the "Top 30 Programmers Under 30" by Edison Researc

All I seem to hear are Richards and Satta. I used to hear Bob Perry now and then, but not for some time. John Von Sustin was also doing weekends a few years ago.