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What in the devil is all the hoopla over Jaun Williams' comment regarding airplanes and Muslims? I feel the same way everytime I get in the car with my wife behind the wheel!
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I personally think that our society has become far too politically correct. I don't think Juan Williams should have been fired for that remark, and I don't even think it was a bigoted remark.
Now that you've gotten me started, I thought the Imus firing was ridiculous. Without thinking, he told a bad joke. Management should have had some backbone. Given the uproar, I feel a suspension would have been fair, but not a firing.
One more: What the Greaseman said years ago was a little more serious than what Imus said IMHO. At least, the Greaseman knew what he was saying. However, keeping him virtually out of radio for 10 years was way out of proportion to the "crime." I realize people mobilized against him, but if it were my station, I would have suspended him for 30 days. Advertisers would have left temporarily, and the station would have had to withstand an uproar, but it would have blown over in time.
Now that you've gotten me started, I thought the Imus firing was ridiculous. Without thinking, he told a bad joke. Management should have had some backbone. Given the uproar, I feel a suspension would have been fair, but not a firing.
One more: What the Greaseman said years ago was a little more serious than what Imus said IMHO. At least, the Greaseman knew what he was saying. However, keeping him virtually out of radio for 10 years was way out of proportion to the "crime." I realize people mobilized against him, but if it were my station, I would have suspended him for 30 days. Advertisers would have left temporarily, and the station would have had to withstand an uproar, but it would have blown over in time.
No surprise.
What he said didn't FEEL good. Therefore, it was wrong.
2010.
This is where we're at.
What he said didn't FEEL good. Therefore, it was wrong.
2010.
This is where we're at.
RoddyFreeman said:I personally think that our society has become far too politically correct. I don't think Juan Williams should have been fired for that remark, and I don't even think it was a bigoted remark.
He wasn't fired because it was bigoted. He was fired because he was expressing his personal feelings on another network. That was not proper as a journalist under NPR rules.
He wasn't fired because it was bigoted. He was fired because he was expressing his personal feelings on another network. That was not proper as a journalist under NPR rules.
Exactly. NPR's CEO said Williams had done the same thing on several other occasions. They talked to him about it and asked him to stop, and each time he said he would. So this time they finally decided enough was enough.
I can only wonder if they would've still been as dedicated to abiding strictly by the rules if he still delivered his personal feelings, but instead said something that was not controversial, or even nice and worthy of praise. I wonder; If that was the case, would "this each time" have just been another addition to all the "each times" that have taken place in the past where they let it slide?
KDM 7000 said:I can only wonder if they would've still been as dedicated to abiding strictly by the rules if he still delivered his personal feelings, but instead said something that was not controversial, or even nice and worthy of praise. I wonder; If that was the case, would "this each time" have just been another addition to all the "each times" that have taken place in the past where they let it slide?
Octavia Nasr said something she thought was "nice and worthy of praise" about Mohammad Hussein Fadlallah, yet CNN terminated her for it.
en passant said:KDM 7000 said:I can only wonder if they would've still been as dedicated to abiding strictly by the rules if he still delivered his personal feelings, but instead said something that was not controversial, or even nice and worthy of praise. I wonder; If that was the case, would "this each time" have just been another addition to all the "each times" that have taken place in the past where they let it slide?
Octavia Nasr said something she thought was "nice and worthy of praise" about Mohammad Hussein Fadlallah, yet CNN terminated her for it.
Well since I know absolutely nothing about the Octavia CNN case, I cannot give a sensible opinion on it. In regard to the Juan Williams incident, though, putting all personal feelings aside, the REAL bottom line here is if there was a rule and it was knowingly broken, then that person breaking a rule they already knew existed should experience the consequences for breaking the rule they chose to break. I still don't like the fact that the entire Juan Williams incident happened, but that does not change the reality and truth of the entire overall situation - IF all the info presented here regarding the situation is accurate, and the firing was based purely on violating the rules of NPR. If that was the NPR policy and that policy was known by the violator, then it is not NPR's fault if anyone chooses to violate the policy and risk consequences upon themselves.
However, on a separate note, I still believe that today in 2010, we've become too politically correct and focus too much time on sugarcoating and protecting people who believe they have a legal right to never feel uncomfortable or offended.
TheBigA said:RoddyFreeman said:I personally think that our society has become far too politically correct. I don't think Juan Williams should have been fired for that remark, and I don't even think it was a bigoted remark.
He wasn't fired because it was bigoted. He was fired because he was expressing his personal feelings on another network. That was not proper as a journalist under NPR rules.
He's been expressing his personal opinions on Fox News for years now. That was his job as a contributor. Yet nothing ever happened until this time.
RoddyFreeman said:He's been expressing his personal opinions on Fox News for years now. That was his job as a contributor. Yet nothing ever happened until this time.
He's been called down a number of times by the network in the past, though...this just happened to be the final straw...not that I agree that he should have been fired...suspended maybe or silenced by using another new analyst...but probably not fired. Also, as I understand it, there are a couple of other reporters/contributors who had done the same thing....got called down for it...and they never did it again.
The country is so overtly polarized that if anything happens which is deemed newsworthy, it is immediately sifted through and vetted for any sign of political significance and then you get network news commentators and pundits suggesting that there's some sort of media wing bias.
I'm not a hardcore NPR fanboy but I can honestly say that if I hear a story on MSNBC, then on FOX, getting two very different depictions of that story, I'm guaranteed that I'll hear the same story on NPR, plus the details the other networks omitted and minus the embellishments & punditry. Unfortunately, the cynicism a majority of the pubic has towards the news networks keeps them from referring to more than one source for news.
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