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June 28, 2006 - U.S.A. WCBS DUMPS IBOC, RETURNS TO "HIGH DEFINITION" AM

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SayNoToIBOC

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DX LISTENING DIGEST 6-094, June 28, 2006

"U.S.A. WCBS DUMPS IBOC, RETURNS TO 'HIGH DEFINITION' AM"

After less than a week of transmitting the IBOC buzz, NYC's 880 WCBS
has returned to "High Definition" analog AM with crisp, clear 10 kHz
audio. A possible reason for this may be the numerous complaints they
received due to the 8-1/2 second delay the IBOC exciter added to their
audio, which made their Yankees play-by-play out of synch for people
listening at the game or while watching it on TV. I first noticed the
IBOC hash generator was off during a Yankees game today, but now
during normal "Newsradio" programming it is still off, and their audio
sounds a lot better too.

When they had the IBOC on, their analog audio was still pretty crisp
(they had it in 8 kHz bandwidth mode) but it had a strange kind of
clipping distortion which made the announcers sound like they were
holding their nose while they spoke, and for an all-news format that
can get rather annoying. There was also some rather obvious slack in
the AGC; when jumping from one programming element to the next, the
audio would often start out very quiet and gradually ramp up in level.
With their old processing (Optimod 9100?) now back in service, there
is still a little gain-riding in these instances but it is a lot
smoother and all of that nasty distortion is gone. And of course on a
wideband receiver there is no mistaking that beautiful full-bandwidth
audio! (Kevin Tekel, June 28, BC radiolist via Bill Harms, DXLD)
 
SayNoToIBOC said:
DX LISTENING DIGEST 6-094, June 28, 2006

"U.S.A. WCBS DUMPS IBOC, RETURNS TO 'HIGH DEFINITION' AM"

After less than a week of transmitting the IBOC buzz, NYC's 880 WCBS
has returned to "High Definition" analog AM with crisp, clear 10 kHz
audio. A possible reason for this may be the numerous complaints they
received due to the 8-1/2 second delay the IBOC exciter added to their
audio, which made their Yankees play-by-play out of synch for people
listening at the game or while watching it on TV. I first noticed the
IBOC hash generator was off during a Yankees game today, but now
during normal "Newsradio" programming it is still off, and their audio
sounds a lot better too.

When they had the IBOC on, their analog audio was still pretty crisp
(they had it in 8 kHz bandwidth mode) but it had a strange kind of
clipping distortion which made the announcers sound like they were
holding their nose while they spoke, and for an all-news format that
can get rather annoying. There was also some rather obvious slack in
the AGC; when jumping from one programming element to the next, the
audio would often start out very quiet and gradually ramp up in level.
With their old processing (Optimod 9100?) now back in service, there
is still a little gain-riding in these instances but it is a lot
smoother and all of that nasty distortion is gone. And of course on a
wideband receiver there is no mistaking that beautiful full-bandwidth
audio! (Kevin Tekel, June 28, BC radiolist via Bill Harms, DXLD)
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Of course, it may also be temporary while the bugs get worked out. There's a whole lot of speculation and very little fact in the above. IBOC on AM can be difficult to set up. In fact many of the AM's that supposedly shut down because of "complaints" are back on.
 
DX LISTENING DIGEST 6-094, June 28, 2006

** U S A. A Step in Right Direction?

There is industry talk this
morning that WPEN 950 here in Philadelphia has decided to dump IBOC
and return to good old analog transmission. Their audio today is much
cleaner, more high end, and just generally better than it has been for
a long time. Most importantly, there is no longer any hiss in the
background of the main channel, and the digital hash on their
adjacents is gone. Question: are industry people beginning to realize
that the emperor has no clothes? Let's hope so (René Tetro, WFIL, June
2, NRC-AM via DXLD)
 
SayNoToIBOC said:
DX LISTENING DIGEST 6-094, June 28, 2006

** U S A. A Step in Right Direction?

There is industry talk this
morning that WPEN 950 here in Philadelphia has decided to dump IBOC
and return to good old analog transmission. Their audio today is much
cleaner, more high end, and just generally better than it has been for
a long time. Most importantly, there is no longer any hiss in the
background of the main channel, and the digital hash on their
adjacents is gone. Question: are industry people beginning to realize
that the emperor has no clothes? Let's hope so (René Tetro, WFIL, June
2, NRC-AM via DXLD)
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Hard hitting "news" from the DX Digest.

;D
 
IBOCRocks said:
SayNoToIBOC said:
DX LISTENING DIGEST 6-094, June 28, 2006

** U S A. A Step in Right Direction?

There is industry talk this
morning that WPEN 950 here in Philadelphia has decided to dump IBOC
and return to good old analog transmission. Their audio today is much
cleaner, more high end, and just generally better than it has been for
a long time. Most importantly, there is no longer any hiss in the
background of the main channel, and the digital hash on their
adjacents is gone. Question: are industry people beginning to realize
that the emperor has no clothes? Let's hope so (René Tetro, WFIL, June
2, NRC-AM via DXLD)
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Hard hitting "news" from the DX Digest.

;D
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Yeah, right. The NRC has become a club dominated by anti-radio Luddites of the most vile and awful kind. It is no longer a club that represents a symbiotic relationship with broadcasting, but is run by and dominated by some really terrible people who seem to hate AM radio and who are doing their dambdest to make AM die.

AM already has less than a 10 share of listening nationwide in people under 45. Give it a few years, and let the NRC type attitude prevail, and it will just disappear, HD radio or not.

The DX Digest can go break wind....
 
David wrote: "The DX Digest can go break wind...."

Oh, I just thought you were going to say how untrue the articles are - this time, you just injected a bit of emotion !
 
I'm in NYC and WCBS is running it's IBOC encoder. Another rediculous accusation made by someone who has no idea what they're talking about. They were probably on their backup transmitter for maintanence and it isn't IBOC capable. You guys are so desperate it's silly.
 
Actually, it look like it has something to do with that silly 8 1/2 second delay.
 
SayNoToIBOC said:
David wrote: "The DX Digest can go break wind...."

Oh, I just thought you were going to say how untrue the articles are - this time, you just injected a bit of emotion !
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The NRC crowd has so much false information at its fingertips that I do not even want to go there. After being a 45-year NRC member, a founding member of IRCA, and past member of MWC, NZDXA, etc., I tired of the made-up conclusions on the evils of consolidation, the changes in AM, the claims that station owners were worse than the Enron folks, and left the groups and stored the receivers.

You are obviously one of the same kind of folks who grabs long-outdated news items, hearsay information, letters to the editor and all manner of fring opinion to make a case against something that everyone except you and a few hundred others does not care about...

You are to broadcasting discussion what an anti-Semite is to a political news group.
 
SayNoToIBOC said:
All I have to do is inject some doubt ! :D
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And you haven't even managed to do that.

You've just simply become a joke.
 
Well, you are the one, who was disruptive and wrote that dramatic euolugy, then came back the next day (like I knew you would) !
 
SayNoToIBOC said:
Well, you are the one, who was disruptive and wrote that dramatic euolugy, then came back the next day (like I knew you would) !
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And I'm having fun watching you self-destruct. You said you came here "to educate people". Then we exposed you for the fraud that you are. Then you fell to just swearing, picking fights, and all out lying. Now you simply say that all you need is to mislead someone enough to plant a seed of doubt.

I wouldn't call what I do very disruptive. In fact, another anti-IBOC person has asked you to knock it off. People on YOUR OWN SIDE don't even want your help!

I feel sorry for you.
 
It is Cal and you being the dramatic, emotional ones on this board. When people get those HD radios, they will very quickly figure out who's the fraud !
 
SayNoToIBOC said:
It is Cal and you being the dramatic, emotional ones on this board. When people get those HD radios, they will very quickly figure out who's the fraud !
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At least your moving closer to my side. You've now admitted that people will get the radios. Good. If they hate 'em, that won't bother me. At least they had an open mind and tried them.

I guess my work here IS almost done.
 
Keep dreaming, just like the Nazi HD Radio Alliance (big joke - alliance ) ! If your work IS almost done, then leave (but, you WILL be back). Are you going to write an addendum to your eulogy ?
 
SayNoToIBOC said:
Keep dreaming, just like the Nazi HD Radio Alliance (big joke - alliance ) ! If your work IS almost done, then leave (but, you WILL be back). Are you going to write an addendum to your eulogy ?
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My work IS almost done. I've exposed you as a fraud, got you to admit that people will at least try the radios, and proven that I am willing to have calm discourse with people who don't like IBOC. I've even mentioned that there are some things that I don't like about IBOC. You've just started incoherenty ranting and repeating things over and over in thse threads. People on your own side won't even deal with you. Your post on the SWL newsgroup got no replies. You are now just simply an out of control radical. I'm not worried about you planting a seed of doubt because you can't. There isn't anyone that will take you seriously. In fact, the only reason I waste my time with you is because I'm just curious about what lunatic rant you'll come up with next.

When I do eventually write a eulogy, I will make sure to mention that I enjoy a good laugh.
 
"IBOCRocks wrote: "My work IS almost done. I've exposed you as a fraud, got you to admit that people will at least try the radios, and proven that I am willing to have calm discourse with people who don't like IBOC. I've even mentioned that there are some things that I don't like about IBOC. You've just started incoherenty ranting and repeating things over and over in thse threads. People on your own side won't even deal with you. Your post on the SWL newsgroup got no replies. You are now just simply an out of control radical. I'm not worried about you planting a seed of doubt because you can't. There isn't anyone that will take you seriously. In fact, the only reason I waste my time with you is because I'm just curious about what lunatic rant you'll come up with next."

Dont' flatter yourself - you'll be back, the next day ! Don't forget to write that addendum, to your eulogy ! Well, look who IS ranting ! Everybody, on rec.radio.shortwave hates David and IBOC and I have gotten much mutual support over there - they all know IBOC is a fraud, just take a look and search on IBOC ! Surely, you have better things to do with your time, than watching me be a, "ranting lunatic" ! :D
 
At last, we agree on something. I do have better things to do. Have a great day!
 
SayNoToIBOC said:
Let's hope Brenda Anne is of a particular faith, and see what the, "main man's", ISP thinks of these anti-semitic remarks ! Oh, I just saw another one, from today:

"I would not go to Peoria if you paid me. Too many gringos."
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Since when is "nazi" semitic? A nazi is a believer in a particular form of government, of which the German implemetation was one. Mussolini, Franco, Perón, Pinochet, and even Sukarno were facists, too. You could, in theory, have a facist ruler of Israel. Or Palestine... in fact, Arafat was in many ways a fascist... and he was of the semitic people.

Facism is, simply, an authoritarian and nationistic form or right wing government. It has nothing at all to do with religion or ethnicity or race.

"Anti-semitic" my patootie. Your lack of basic history, word meaning, civics, and geography are showing.
 
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