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June Arbitron Ratings

WLW widened it's lead over second place WGRR by a full-share, 13.2 for WLW and 8.8 for WGRR

Q102 three month trend 5.8, 6.9, 7.5. Fourth overall. Competitor KISS107 is flat a 5.1 for the last three months (8th place).

92.5 The Fox jumped a full-share, 4.5 to 5.5, from 9th in May to 6th in June.

WYGY still doing well as a flanker for B105 with a 2.0 share. I don't listen to 97.3, but does anyone know if they're playing different country than B105? It used to be The Wolf was between a 1.0 and 1.5.

The three all-sports stations COMBINED have a 0.8 share. ESPN 1530 with a 0.5, WSAI 0.2, and FM 100 The Fan with another 0.1 ("Sports on FM...it just sounds like nobody's listening").

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55WKRC is down to a 2.9 running the tired Conservative syndicated talkers. WLW is still doing well with The Reds. Oklahoma City is getting its Sixth Sports talker on a FM signal. Maybe The Fan doesn't need ratings to survive?
 
That's an amazing rating for the legendary Q102! I'm hooked on the Q! Excellent job from everyone over at Q! That's their highest rating in a long time!
Microbob is right, 55KRC is sinking fast running the Conservative Talk line-up. The same fate is hitting 610 WTVN in Columbus, although they're in the low 4 range. WLW's 13 share has to be one of if not THE highest share for an AM station in the entire USA.
 
The Fan may not need ratings to survive but, they need advertisers that they don't have.

microbob said:
55WKRC is down to a 2.9 running the tired Conservative syndicated talkers. WLW is still doing well with The Reds. Oklahoma City is getting its Sixth Sports talker on a FM signal. Maybe The Fan doesn't need ratings to survive?
 
Why can't they sell a Sports Talk station to advertisers, especially when the format attracts a younger audience? Is Cumulus/CBS paying them to air CBS Sports Radio in Cincinnati? I find it hard to believe that Radio One is losing money on WCFN but, it sure sounds they are.
 
The Project continues to impede 96Rock. Mission accomplished. 96Rock was backed into a corner, decided to ease up on the alt rock (they still play some), and now get to battle WEBN head-on.

Very few markets are capable of supporting two Active Rock stations long term. WEBN will win that battle convincingly. Wouldn't surprise me to see 96Rock drop out of the format within the next year. I hope I'm wrong, because I like 96Rock the way it is. Anyone know how they fare from a billing perspective?

Q does indeed sound outstanding. They are arguably the best programmed Adult CHR in the country. They remind me of Toronto's 104.5 CHUM-FM in numerous ways.
 
It would've made more sense to put the sport format with CBS Sports Radio on Cumulus owned 94.1. Their best rating as a country station is a 3.2, which is less than half what B105 gets. B105 and 97.3 The Wolf are doing essentially the same thing to 94.1 competition wise, that WEBN and The Project are doing to 96ROCK.

IF 96ROCK is gone next year (I doubt it'll happen), what format do you put there? And would WEBN stick to the Active Rock or go back to the AOR format?
 
The CBS Sports clear is a barter arrangement.

Does anyone know if Nielson will return to the previous practice of publishing all topline numbers?
 
billf82 said:
IF 96ROCK is gone next year (I doubt it'll happen), what format do you put there? And would WEBN stick to the Active Rock or go back to the AOR format?

Talk has been tried and failed on 96.5 so that's out. They could always swap frequencies with 94.1. I am betting active rock would do better on 94.1 than on 96.5. 96.5 does have a history with several country formats so brand it NASH 96.5.
 
Nah, not with 97.3 being right there. Too close together on the dial, in my opinion, for both to have country.
 
billf82 said:
Nah, not with 97.3 being right there. Too close together on the dial, in my opinion, for both to have country.

97.3 should be Classic Country. They sound too much like B105 to me.
 
If 96Rock were to flip, I think we'd see a CHR or Hot AC station of some kind pop up on 96.5 FM. Jan Jeffries seems obsessed with putting one of those two formats on the air in as many Cumulus markets as possible, regardless of existing competition.

Yes, such a station would almost be guaranteed to fail (Q and Kiss would eat them alive), but this is Cumulus we are talking about. They are not playing with a full deck.

Some of you might ask, "Why not flip 96.5 to straight up Modern Rock?" Cumulus had a good chance to go Modern Rock in Atlanta (a market far more conducive to such a format being successful than Cincinnati) and passed. That format is outside of their wheelhouse. They simply won't do that format on any signal that is worth a damn. Not to mention, Modern Rock can be a tough sell in this part of the Country. Power ratios for that format generally are not good.

Urban AC could make for an interesting option.

I do not think Country will leave 94.1. That is an important strategic format for Cumulus on a national level. I think they want to program that format on a signal that smothers downtown and northern KY. From a revenue standpoint, Country has far more upside than Active Rock.
 
Why would 94.1 flip to another format, obviously the NASH brand will be here before too long. Cumulus, by all accounts, wants that brand on every country station they own and they want it in as many markets as possible. Sales strategy. Sell the format out of Atlanta, right? National morning, night and overnight shows.

I'd guess that 96Rock isn't going anywhere. It appears to have been hurt by the Project but strategically serves a purpose when paired with the Fox. Don't know the men 18-49's or 25-54's for June, but add up the 6+, Fox/96 Rock 8.0/686k, WEBN/Project 5.4/540k. WEBN may have fixed some of its problems musically but without its heritage talent they won't ever return to what they once were.

I think Hubbard continues to play with Rewind's format. Seems like they've added in tons of 80's/90's gold, especially for weekends. They must sense that's a weakness for Warm 98. Very important for them to keep Warm away from Q102.

As I've posted here before, The Fan is an abject failure and shows no signs of life. How long will Tom Gamble's ego allow him to stay on a station with no listeners? My guess is they hope football season will give them a boost or they shed the format and go back to urban A/C or jammin' oldies. Nice outdoor campaign though, jeesh.
 
microbob said:
billf82 said:
Nah, not with 97.3 being right there. Too close together on the dial, in my opinion, for both to have country.

97.3 should be Classic Country. They sound too much like B105 to me.

Unfortunately, Classic Country has the same demographic issues as Oldies. The audience for the format is largely over 55 and is demographically undesirable for advertisers.
 
Jason Roberts said:
microbob said:
billf82 said:
Nah, not with 97.3 being right there. Too close together on the dial, in my opinion, for both to have country.

97.3 should be Classic Country. They sound too much like B105 to me.

Unfortunately, Classic Country has the same demographic issues as Oldies. The audience for the format is largely over 55 and is demographically undesirable for advertisers.
Classic Country is music that in most markets may have had a 10 share in it's "current hit" days...Oldies often had 50-70 shares when it was "new". So Classic Country not only has the same demographic issues as Oldies, it starts out from a base that was a small fraction of what Oldies came from. God it hurts to admit that my demo is reaching the irrelevant stage.
 
microbob said:
55WKRC is down to a 2.9 running the tired Conservative syndicated talkers. WLW is still doing well with The Reds. Oklahoma City is getting its Sixth Sports talker on a FM signal. Maybe The Fan doesn't need ratings to survive?

I posted some thoughts about the decline of talk radio on the Columbus board. I had a few ideas I thought I'd throw around here as well:

1. Local and interactive is what's missing, IMO. WHIO still makes it work because they have an active news department, but stations like KRC are on auto-pilot and remind me of those old automated stations out in small towns in the 1980's which were really boring to listen to. Is there any way to change the format of these shows so there is some local participation? Good luck getting through to Rush Limbaugh, but maybe they could cut away a few times a half hour to a producer taking a local call in studio? Could you alternate between Rush and local callers every 5 minutes?

2. I really like the way Ken Broo mixes in 80's Pop music and talks about the song and the bands during his weekend show. I not only like his musical tastes, but these diversions make an otherwise boring show during a sleepy time of the day (for generating callers) seem to move along a little faster. More hosts should do this ... but don't bore us with rock or alternative. Just some good old-fashioned high-energy pop with a beat will make the show move. That's what Rush does for his bumper music. I wonder if this might make talk shows sound a little livelier.

3. I have an idea when it comes to voice tracking. Even some of the larger Clear Channel stations like WNCI (I think) have only two local shows a day with the rest of the day being voice-tracked and I think it just plain stinks.

I'm wondering if voice-tracking is a sound concept, but it's being done in a bass-ackwards manner. Instead of having just two (or however many) local shows, should stations go back to live talent most if not during all of the day?

... But before you start screaming at me about how this can't be done for economic reasons, hear me out because I have a different twist on this subject.

What if you have took all the stations in a local cluster or over at least a couple of nearby cities that might have a similar affinity when it comes to sports teams (that is, if you don't have enough music stations in a particular cluster). You could continue to do unique morning shows on each station in a cluster (as is mostly the case today) and maybe an afternoon show if the station is important enough.

I would have live, local talent the rest of the day, but I would do it in such a way where you would have the same voice heard on all stations in the cluster at other times of the day. Maybe you could use computer technology to create a "delay" in order to stagger the "live" (or close enough to being live) segments so it runs in proper sequence with song endings and whatnot.

It seems to me that a local announcer talking about the fireworks on four or five stations simultaneously is a lot better than someone from a far away place. At least it would sound like someone is there with you in the car, rather than someone from Philadelphia sending out prerecorded sound files.

Best of both worlds. You would have both the live/local element AND you would have the cost savings.

Would this work?
 
Jason Roberts said:
microbob said:
billf82 said:
Nah, not with 97.3 being right there. Too close together on the dial, in my opinion, for both to have country.

97.3 should be Classic Country. They sound too much like B105 to me.

Unfortunately, Classic Country has the same demographic issues as Oldies. The audience for the format is largely over 55 and is demographically undesirable for advertisers.

You could say the same about a number of formats including Classic Rock and Classic Hits, both of which are nearing the end of life. Political talk radio is facing issues in the same demographic as well.
 
Micro---have you check the PPM numbers for Classic Hits? WGRR, WMJI, and most others are doing quite well top line and in demos---

This is the final "radio generation"--- The three "C's"--- Country, Classic Hits, and Christian are the last great hope for transmitters
 
They are doing well, but I question how much longer can WGRR , WOFX keep playing The Doobie Brothers Long Train Running, Boston More Than a Feeling, or other burned out songs by the same artists they have been playing for the last 20 yrs. in the case of WOFX.
 
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