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With the demise of WBCN in Boston, do you think if KROQ slipped further down in the ratings, CBS would make any changes at KROQ? In no way am I wishing upon this, I am just curious because it seems like now heritage stations are not safe anymore.
 
musicfan101 said:
With the demise of WBCN in Boston, do you think if KROQ slipped further down in the ratings, CBS would make any changes at KROQ? In no way am I wishing upon this, I am just curious because it seems like now heritage stations are not safe anymore.

Change the #7 25-54 station in the market?
 
David you probably know the answer to this: What is the highest-rated station in the LA metro ever to change formats?

BTW someone on the 60s/70s classic hits board has a question for you.
 
SuperRadioFan said:
David you probably know the answer to this: What is the highest-rated station in the LA metro ever to change formats?

That's a good question... I am trying to think but nothing comes to mind.

Probably in sheer share, maybe one of the Beautiful Music stations that was just ageing. Or when Radio One bought 100.3...
 
DavidEduardo said:
musicfan101 said:
With the demise of WBCN in Boston, do you think if KROQ slipped further down in the ratings, CBS would make any changes at KROQ? In no way am I wishing upon this, I am just curious because it seems like now heritage stations are not safe anymore.

Change the #7 25-54 station in the market?
What the demo numbers for WBCN?
 
musicfan101 said:
DavidEduardo said:
musicfan101 said:
With the demise of WBCN in Boston, do you think if KROQ slipped further down in the ratings, CBS would make any changes at KROQ? In no way am I wishing upon this, I am just curious because it seems like now heritage stations are not safe anymore.

Change the #7 25-54 station in the market?
What the demo numbers for WBCN?

It is #18 in 6+......
 
SuperRadioFan said:
What is the highest-rated station in the LA metro ever to change formats?

Most likely KFWB when it went all-news in March of 1968. It was tied for 7th in Pulse with a 5.0 in December 1967.

---Michael Hagerty
 
OC Radio Geek said:
musicfan101 said:
DavidEduardo said:
musicfan101 said:
With the demise of WBCN in Boston, do you think if KROQ slipped further down in the ratings, CBS would make any changes at KROQ? In no way am I wishing upon this, I am just curious because it seems like now heritage stations are not safe anymore.

Change the #7 25-54 station in the market?
What the demo numbers for WBCN?

It is #18 in 6+......
Wow! That's kinda suprising. It's sad to see one of the original rock stations bite the dust. The thing I don't understand is WBCN is doing far better than WFNX, how is the latter surviving?
 
Marv-L.A. said:
KROQ was also the second-highest billing station in the nation last year, with over $60,000,000.

Wow, that is incredible!! I need to buy me a radio station....... :eek:
 
Marv-L.A. said:
KROQ was also the second-highest billing station in the nation last year, with over $60,000,000.

$56 million in 2008.
 
FNX survived over WBCN because it is run by an independent company (Phoenix Media). They run an alternative newspaper and the alternative format on the frequency has remained consistent since its launch in 1983. Phoenix Media probably knows that running another format would increase their profits, but they know that they have a large following online and know that the station is a part of modern rock history. They care about the station and keeping it true to its format as long as they can. They don't have a huge corporate back ladder like WBCN does with CBS. CBS flips formats for money. The only way FNX would probably flip formats is if The Phoenix was sold to another company or it just shut down and needed to sell assets. But with WBCN leaving, the ratings of FNX should improve just like the ratings for FNX improved after Stern left WBCN.
Would KROQ flip if their ratings plummeted? Would they flip if revenue went down? Of course they would! CBS Radio is in it for the money. As long as their making a good dollar, their good with the station. If not, they're are a fearless company and they don't care that they flip a legendary format. As long as their making a good buck, they don't care. 98.3 The Sports Hub will for sure make a good buck with Boston demos.
 
radiojomo said:
FNX survived over WBCN because it is run by an independent company (Phoenix Media). They run an alternative newspaper and the alternative format on the frequency has remained consistent since its launch in 1983. Phoenix Media probably knows that running another format would increase their profits, but they know that they have a large following online and know that the station is a part of modern rock history. They care about the station and keeping it true to its format as long as they can. They don't have a huge corporate back ladder like WBCN does with CBS. CBS flips formats for money. The only way FNX would probably flip formats is if The Phoenix was sold to another company or it just shut down and needed to sell assets. But with WBCN leaving, the ratings of FNX should improve just like the ratings for FNX improved after Stern left WBCN.
Would KROQ flip if their ratings plummeted? Would they flip if revenue went down? Of course they would! CBS Radio is in it for the money. As long as their making a good dollar, their good with the station. If not, they're are a fearless company and they don't care that they flip a legendary format. As long as their making a good buck, they don't care. 98.3 The Sports Hub will for sure make a good buck with Boston demos.
Wouldn't that kind of attitude chase investors away? Is it true CBS is losing money? - Is that why KLSX switched formats? (I never could really get a clear reason to why that occured)
 
Almost every radio broadcaster is losing money! Radio is in bad shape. There were actually a few reasons why CBS flipped 97.1. CBS owns KROQ, KCBS and KRTH. These stations are faring well with the male demographics. Since KTWV attracts mostly 55+, CBS didn't have any stations focusing on a more female/family demographic. That is why 97.1 was flipped to CHR. CHR is a more female friendly format compared to Classic Rock, Alternative, Hot Talk or Classic Hits. It also attracts the young demographics that advertisers are interested in. CBS also flipped 97.1 because CBS had to cut costs. FM Talk is an EXPENSIVE format compared to CHR. Operating a CHR like AMP costs nothing compared to what it cost to run FM Talk.

FM Talk was a great format to run back in its heyday when Stern was still on the air, the economy was good and PPM wasn't around. Stern attracted millions of people to listen, those millions stayed on the station to listen to FH&F and Leykis. But when Stern decided to leave, the new Free FM that was launched after he left was hanging on a thread. However, it still managed to get by unlike other Free FM, affiliates, Leykis still attracted people to listen, FH&F were still bring people in and Carolla was growing on the morning audience. But then PPM came into effect, and when the station saw the drop in listeners compared to the diary, KLSX had to start going into salvation mode. And they decided to cut commercials and advertise more. But this came at the wrong time, the economy was weakening while this was happening. Advertisers cut back, and a station that used to make big bucks was hardly making enough to survive. FM Talk NEEDS money in order to survive. If the station is not using syndicated material (which KLSX never used most of the time), you need engineers, call screeners etc. You need to pay first rate talent. Leykis always said radio made him a multi-millionaire. You could see the paychecks he was receiving were big. So with the economy the way it is, KLSX couldn't have survived ANY LONGER the shape it was.

CBS for sure scored a great deal by switching to CHR. More audience share, more revenue and cheaper to operate. Do you think they pay Stryker, Booker or McCabe big paychecks? No. Not at all. HAHA
 
radiojomo said:
Almost every radio broadcaster is losing money! Radio is in bad shape. There were actually a few reasons why CBS flipped 97.1. CBS owns KROQ, KCBS and KRTH. These stations are faring well with the male demographics. Since KTWV attracts mostly 55+, CBS didn't have any stations focusing on a more female/family demographic. That is why 97.1 was flipped to CHR. CHR is a more female friendly format compared to Classic Rock, Alternative, Hot Talk or Classic Hits. It also attracts the young demographics that advertisers are interested in. CBS also flipped 97.1 because CBS had to cut costs. FM Talk is an EXPENSIVE format compared to CHR. Operating a CHR like AMP costs nothing compared to what it cost to run FM Talk.

FM Talk was a great format to run back in its heyday when Stern was still on the air, the economy was good and PPM wasn't around. Stern attracted millions of people to listen, those millions stayed on the station to listen to FH&F and Leykis. But when Stern decided to leave, the new Free FM that was launched after he left was hanging on a thread. However, it still managed to get by unlike other Free FM, affiliates, Leykis still attracted people to listen, FH&F were still bring people in and Carolla was growing on the morning audience. But then PPM came into effect, and when the station saw the drop in listeners compared to the diary, KLSX had to start going into salvation mode. And they decided to cut commercials and advertise more. But this came at the wrong time, the economy was weakening while this was happening. Advertisers cut back, and a station that used to make big bucks was hardly making enough to survive. FM Talk NEEDS money in order to survive. If the station is not using syndicated material (which KLSX never used most of the time), you need engineers, call screeners etc. You need to pay first rate talent. Leykis always said radio made him a multi-millionaire. You could see the paychecks he was receiving were big. So with the economy the way it is, KLSX couldn't have survived ANY LONGER the shape it was.

CBS for sure scored a great deal by switching to CHR. More audience share, more revenue and cheaper to operate. Do you think they pay Stryker, Booker or McCabe big paychecks? No. Not at all. HAHA
How does Loveline survive? Isn't sports talk radio on the FM dial just as expensive? I don't see why CBS is going into this sports talk faze.
 
LoveLine survives because it is syndicated around the country through Westwood One on alternative rock/mainstream rock stations and it fares well in ratings.
The reason I believe that CBS is going into the Sports Talk Radio fad is because of Detroit. In Detroit, 97.1 The Ticket is dominating in the PPMs. The station is #1 OVERALL. The first time an All Sports station is #1. CBS sees this and wants to try this in other cities on the East Coast. If it can happen in Detroit, it can happen in Boston, it can happen in D.C. Also supporting their cause is that those cities already have successful All Sports on the air. And with WBCN and WJFK already containing the demos they want to reach with All Sports, CBS feels confident about the move. Will it work? No one knows. Detroit could be a special town. KRLD in Dallas is doing horrible with its AM competitor ahead. This could be because KTCK (the AM competitor) has Dallas Cowboys football and Dallas Stars hockey. But let's look at what WJFK is going to have behind them. Wizards Basketball and Westwood One NFL Football. WBZ FM will have Patriots football and Bruins hockey. Seems like they'll do pretty good, maybe not as well as The Ticket in Detroit because they almost have every sports team from Detroit on board with them.

Would FM Sports work in LA? I don't think so. It was already tried on 107.1 in the '90s.
 
radiojomo said:
LoveLine survives because it is syndicated around the country through Westwood One on alternative rock/mainstream rock stations and it fares well in ratings.
The reason I believe that CBS is going into the Sports Talk Radio fad is because of Detroit. In Detroit, 97.1 The Ticket is dominating in the PPMs. The station is #1 OVERALL. The first time an All Sports station is #1. CBS sees this and wants to try this in other cities on the East Coast. If it can happen in Detroit, it can happen in Boston, it can happen in D.C. Also supporting their cause is that those cities already have successful All Sports on the air. And with WBCN and WJFK already containing the demos they want to reach with All Sports, CBS feels confident about the move. Will it work? No one knows. Detroit could be a special town. KRLD in Dallas is doing horrible with its AM competitor ahead. This could be because KTCK (the AM competitor) has Dallas Cowboys football and Dallas Stars hockey. But let's look at what WJFK is going to have behind them. Wizards Basketball and Westwood One NFL Football. WBZ FM will have Patriots football and Bruins hockey. Seems like they'll do pretty good, maybe not as well as The Ticket in Detroit because they almost have every sports team from Detroit on board with them.

Would FM Sports work in LA? I don't think so. It was already tried on 107.1 in the '90s.
Another question...when will CBS finally decide to pull the plug on KFWB? I mean that is more expensive than the talk format, I assume, and they aren't doing so great in PPMs.
 
Lee Anderson said:
Here's a hyperthetical question. How do you think Stern would have done in the PPM world?

I think Stern would have killed everyone in PPM! His listeners are very dedicated. His ratings on Sirius have been through the roof for years now.
 
radiojomo said:
Would FM Sports work in LA? I don't think so. It was already tried on 107.1 in the '90s.

KMAX on 107.1 had a horrible signal especially in parts of south Orange County. I'm sure there are many pockets that would have the same problems.
 
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