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JV and Elvis getting the shaft

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Anybody else find this to be an absolute disgrace?
Great show gets the shaft because of minority group.
Again.

Dont get me wrong, I always hated Imus...he still shouldn't have been fired. So much for freedom of speech, huh?
 
bighabeeb said:
Anybody else find this to be an absolute disgrace?
Great show gets the shaft because of minority group.
Again.

Dont get me wrong, I always hated Imus...he still shouldn't have been fired. So much for freedom of speech, huh?
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I agree that Doghouse is getting a bit of a shaft. I disagree with your barely veiled racist rant about "minority groups" "AGAIN". This is so not a freedom of speech issue, you have the freedom to say whatever you want but you have to deal with the consequences and if someone is offended they have the same freedom of speech to voice their being offended by it. Imus is a different case than JV and ELvis, JV and Elvis are comedians and always have been. Imus has transformed himself into a low level news program, like the poor man's "meet the press" he has candidates and actual political office holders on his show and listening to his show. However the second he stepped on his d*** AGAIN they resort to " well he's a shock jock this is what he does" wrong, that has not been what he had done for yyears. In short Imus's dismissal I understand, JV and ELvis are indeed getting the shaft but partly their own fault. Unfortunately their chinese bit ran right after the Imus house of cards began to fall and cbs was still in the center of the storm from Imus being an ass.

Dont blame "minority groups" and whine about "freedom of speech" unfortunately freedom of speech goes both ways. What it's about is CBS not having the courage to stand up to WHATEVER gourp that complains, dont blame minorities for cbs's lack of a spine.
 
I think you're misunderstanding by thinking that I'm saying something racist, veiled or otherwise.

Look...there are comedians out there of various minority backgrounds who make a living making fun of the white majority. How many comic routines have you seen/heard where the words cracker, honky and the like are used, and no one says boo. Why? Because there is no "white rights" group (not to be confused for white supremacist group...that is NOT what I am talking about here).

Freedom of speech is a right in this country. That means it is a right for EVERYONE. Do I like what the KKK or nazi parties have to say? No...but they have the right to say it because they live in the united states. It makes me insane that people say they are in favor of freedom of speech, but only when it's easy to be in favor of. Again, I don't like what the KKK has to say, but I LOVE the fact that they have the right to say it.

And yes, I still hold to my original statement that it is a minority group being oversensitive and taking away someone's livelihood. They made a prank phone call. Big effing deal. It's been done by a million jocks a million times before. This time some person in an office somewhere with a stick up their butt heard it and decided it was offensive...so now two men are in the process of losing their livelihood because they made a joke. It's not like they are making black jokes in your common office setting where someone will get offended and call it harrassment. They're radio jocks who make a living making JOKES...and they make them about everyone, the old, the young, the infirm, minorities...hell, half of JV and Elvis' show is them making fun of each other! The difference between the office example above and what happened here is quite obvious: If you don't like what you're hearing on the radio, turn the radio off, or pick a different channel.

Censorship is running wild. The 21st century so far has been one of a loss of freedom of speech and an increase in censorship. I myself fear what upcoming years will bring...both the Imus case and this one set a dangerous precedent...one in which ANYONE can lose their job for making a joke/expressing an opinion...even when it is THEIR JOB to do so.

Thats just my opinion...I could of course be seen as wrong by some. I'm not a racist...I'm not ending this saying that some of my best friends are minorities or any of that nonsense...but I don't personally feel that what was done in this case warrants being suspended "indefinitely" and/or fired.
 
TowerBuzz said:
bighabeeb said:
Anybody else find this to be an absolute disgrace?
Great show gets the shaft because of minority group.
Again.

Dont get me wrong, I always hated Imus...he still shouldn't have been fired. So much for freedom of speech, huh?
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I agree that Doghouse is getting a bit of a shaft. I disagree with your barely veiled racist rant about "minority groups" "AGAIN". This is so not a freedom of speech issue, you have the freedom to say whatever you want but you have to deal with the consequences and if someone is offended they have the same freedom of speech to voice their being offended by it. Imus is a different case than JV and ELvis, JV and Elvis are comedians and always have been. Imus has transformed himself into a low level news program, like the poor man's "meet the press" he has candidates and actual political office holders on his show and listening to his show. However the second he stepped on his d*** AGAIN they resort to " well he's a shock jock this is what he does" wrong, that has not been what he had done for yyears. In short Imus's dismissal I understand, JV and ELvis are indeed getting the shaft but partly their own fault. Unfortunately their chinese bit ran right after the Imus house of cards began to fall and cbs was still in the center of the storm from Imus being an ass.

Dont blame "minority groups" and whine about "freedom of speech" unfortunately freedom of speech goes both ways. What it's about is CBS not having the courage to stand up to WHATEVER gourp that complains, dont blame minorities for cbs's lack of a spine.
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You ever think they wanted this? They weren't happy being 2nd fiddle to O&A. This was a way to get attention, get out of their contract, and find a morning show where they can be THE show. O&A admitted they did that with the "Mayor is dead" bit in Boston. They had another gig lined up and wanted out of Boston.
 
That's actually a really interesting theory I hadn't considered.
I'm not a big O and A fan, so I hadn't heard them say that they intentionally got themselves fired...but now that you mention it, it's certainly a possibility. On the other hand O and A may just be trying to look back and make themselves look as good as they possibly can in that situation...

Who knows?

Your idea does give me pause though...I really hadn't considered the fact that maybe they do have something else lined up. Very interesting, and worth watching.
 
Just as a PS to the above posts...here's what I mean when I say the special interest groups are out of line...
http://www.thedoghousearmy.com/2007/04/27/oca-equates-hitlernazi-to-prank-call/

Basically, to those who don't want to browse there, the OCA was handing out flyers explaining their opinion on the situation...and it compares the prank phone call to the Nazis and the KKK.

Seriously...come on now.

I'm a jewish dude...people make jokes about me and my religion all the time...I would never call someone a nazi for telling a freakin joke.
 
I have to agree with Towerbuzz once again. Amazing I know...lol. CBS should be prepared to fight for these jocks when every little group complains. If they have no intention of doing that then do everyone in all the markets, not just NYC, a service and kill "FreeFm". What is the point to this format? They are certainly not free to shock us, and amuse us in an offcolor way. My understanding of this format is that it's talk with balls basically, yet it borders on tame and lame. I would hope that Tom Chiusano is rearranging the chairs on the deck of the 92.3 Titanic because it's a sinking ship. Bring on Top 40, bring on Country, bring on anything, but take this colossal failure off.
 
However the second he stepped on his d*** AGAIN they resort to " well he's a shock jock this is what he does" wrong, that has not been what he had done for yyears
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I doubt that you have ever heard that show. Even from the snippets that I have heard over the last 15 years it's obvious that his act was still primarily comedy. The show was full of "bits" and voice impressonists (doing the same lame stuff for years), the "interviews" where a dance between the subject going on the show because their agen told them it would be good publicity and Imus trying to provoke them into saying something funny..or stupid.

Stick to reality here, He got fired for doing exactly what he had been paid to do for decades. The two differences here were: He picked on "civilians"., and it hit during a slow news period. Had this happened a week later, it would have been ignored.

Lino
 
Bigaheeb here's what you said " another great show gets the shaft because of a minority group, again". That implies that you think that minority groups are a problem, and a repeated problem as you qualified the statement with the word "again". That is why I said veiled racism which is what it is. A lot of people think that unless there is some horrible slur involved it is not racist, well what you said smacked of a veiled sense of racism in that you're tired of these "minority groups" screwing good shows with their agenda. That is also your right to think that but all I was saying was that freedom of speech unfortunately (and you'll note I said unfortunately in my post) goes both ways, so whatever group has the right to make their voice heard in opposition. I'm not some bleeding heart liberal minority spokesperson either I am just stating the logic of the situation.

As for the theory that perhaps they wanted this? while Jv and Elvis are and have been as someone said unhappy about being second banannas re signing for only a year with a trimmed down staff and according to rumor a pay cut, I dont think they wanted to go out this way. Mainly because if they are fired as a result of pressure from this asian group or for cause related to content, that would make their getting their next gig even more difficult.

A good show that sadly got caught in the crossfire at the wrong time when the climate was still poisoned from Imus. Dog house are definately talents it would be sad if tthis were their undoing.
 
I thought JV and Elvis were unlistenable. Buh bye...if you don't want to be 2nd fiddle, blow the first fiddle out of the water...just VH did when they opened up for Sabbath.
 
I see your point cave but it's a bit over simplified. Even if they did blow them away, they're doing mid days and in order for the station/format to work the morning show would have to blow up. No way that any company would let their mid day show even if it's the Doghouse blow away O and A. That is just not smart business. I dont think Jv and Elvis ever got that. Yes you're in mid days and no longer the morning show stars but mid days in New York are nothing to sneeze at. Mid days market number one vs mornings in market number four (sf) if your mid day show does well you're talking to the same number if not more people. They never seemed to get their egos wrapped around that idea.
 
TowerBuzz said:
Bigaheeb here's what you said " another great show gets the shaft because of a minority group, again". That implies that you think that minority groups are a problem, and a repeated problem as you qualified the statement with the word "again". That is why I said veiled racism which is what it is. A lot of people think that unless there is some horrible slur involved it is not racist, well what you said smacked of a veiled sense of racism in that you're tired of these "minority groups" screwing good shows with their agenda. That is also your right to think that but all I was saying was that freedom of speech unfortunately (and you'll note I said unfortunately in my post) goes both ways, so whatever group has the right to make their voice heard in opposition.
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It's not the minority groups that are the problem, Tower, it's the radio companies who cave so easily in to their protests.

The minority groups are there to work towards equality and justice for whomever the represent. Showing their disgust at some radio bit they find offensive is their right and I don't begrudge them that right. However, CBS caving in the way they have with these guys (JV & Elvis, Imus) lends more credibility to the minority voices than I personally think they deserve. I cannot emphasize this enough: There is no right in this country to NOT be offended.

Twice in one day, it must be a record: pointless rant mode on!

Isn't it one of the bastions of the progressive democratic movement that the majority rules? I'm sure if you could poll the fine residents of New York City, they wouldn't advocate the firing of these guys for such a hack bit. Why then should a minority (as in, fewer than the majority) even have a voice, then? And yet it's those in the progressive Democrat world who seem to side most quickly with these minority groups in these events.

Tower, what about the phrase, "another great show gets the shaft because of a minority group, again" is rascist? You bandy about the word, yet obviously don't know what the word means. What about that statement implies the moral superiority of bighabeeb's race over the 'minority group' he is referring to? It may be biased or even bigoted, but is in no ways rascist.

pointless rant mode off! -- Twice in one day. My apologies to you all for this.
 
I am honestly surprised about New York. I always heard New York as being unapologetic and hardcore.

SF has a bigger percentage of both Asians and Gays than New York. In San Francisco they had no gay outrage, no Asian outrage. This prank call was played in San Francisco over 7 years ago with no flack. Although that may be part of the double standard, for I know that as a Latino I can make Latino jokes that white people would probably be labeled as racist. In SF the call was voiced by Lance "Hollywood" Otani, a half Japanese/Half White member of The Dog House.

I find it amazing that the New York groups will March over a prank call. I find it amazing that the OCA can send fake protesters and still be taken seriously. Their protesters joined the Dog House fans in yelling "Support Free Speech" up until being ushered away by the protest organizers. I can't believe that the People Against Censorship community is being ignored by all media, yet we are 100% invested in this as opposed to the OCA. Do you have to buy fake outrage to be heard these days?!?!?!

The People Against Censorship community consists of the O&A, R&F and DH communities.
http://www.peopleagainstcensorship.org/
http://www.doghousearmy.org/
 
I adore JV and Elvis...CBS suspending them is an absolute DISGRACE! JV and Elvis are ENTERTAINERS, Just like CHRIS ROCK is an ENTERTAINER! JV And Elvis use radio as their platform, Chris Rock uses TV and Movies as his. No one is banning Chris Rock for his WHITE RACIST COMMENTS HE HAS MADE IN PURE FUN ARE THEY??? NO. I DON'T even see the "REV" (of what church)? Al Sharpton taking Mr. Chris Rock deep on ANY RACIST issue...
YET, JV and Elvis (as well as Imus) get booted for making jokes (true they do use caustic humor, but it is humor is it not)? Yes, I dare bundle IMUS in with what is going on with JV and Elvis. I KNOW CBS is making a huge Marketing Mistake by pulling them off the air. There are a lot of us JV and Elvis fans who are REFUSING to even listen to 92.3 FREE FM until they return to their JOBS! We are the Target Market... Without us there is no Target Market to sell to! I am so damn tired of the hypocrisy these so called "Minority" groups are imposing on the public entertainmentindustry! Where was Al Sharpton when those two detectives from Staten Island were shot and KILLED? (yes they were men of color) I did my homework on this, he (AL SHARPTON) kept silent when those two men were killed. He was NOT there for those families in any way... No, Im done with this Hypocrisy.
 
CBS and FREE FM have bcome a joke. JV and ELVIS are the BEST THING thats happened to that radio station. And what the jind of replacement are they using in the meantime??? This Larry Wachs is an embarrassment.
 
jersey, I agree. I don't even listen in between 9a-12p anymore, it's music during those hours. It is becoming absurd what CBS radio is doing to themselves. They are shooting themselves in the foot, you take arguably your best show off the air because of a stupid chinese food bit that people have been doing for years. You pay these guys to do this, you call your station "talk that rocks" but then when something gets said that offends several people you take them off the air?? This is very hypocritical BS that shows the management at CBS have no b@lls at all.

CBS is going single handedly going to bring down their Free FM format because they would not stand up for their talent.

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So you're saying that a minority group flipping out about a joke is not a problem?
Don't get me wrong, I fully hear what you're saying, and I totally agree...perhaps I should have thought more carefully about what I was putting into print...BUT
This is not the first time something relatively innocent has been blown out of proportion, and yes it is typically by a minority group. Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton and company have made a living out of defending things which don't need to be defended (not to mention things that most people would never have heard of, if not for them).
Look at the recent rash. Who got Imus thrown off the air? A minority group. Who got Jv and Elvis thrown off the air? A minority group. Who historically has 'come to the defense' of things which were either dopey or indefensible? The minority rights groups. What I should have stated in my initial post is that I don't particularly blame the minority groups...that's what they have always done historically. But when they compare JV and Elvis making a prank phone call to a chinese restaurant, to hitler? Come on now.

The group I particularly blame is Free FM and their parent company...not to mention the jocks union. How is this not something that is causing an uproar in the jock community?



TowerBuzz said:
Bigaheeb here's what you said " another great show gets the shaft because of a minority group, again". That implies that you think that minority groups are a problem, and a repeated problem as you qualified the statement with the word "again". That is why I said veiled racism which is what it is. A lot of people think that unless there is some horrible slur involved it is not racist, well what you said smacked of a veiled sense of racism in that you're tired of these "minority groups" screwing good shows with their agenda. That is also your right to think that but all I was saying was that freedom of speech unfortunately (and you'll note I said unfortunately in my post) goes both ways, so whatever group has the right to make their voice heard in opposition. I'm not some bleeding heart liberal minority spokesperson either I am just stating the logic of the situation.

As for the theory that perhaps they wanted this? while Jv and Elvis are and have been as someone said unhappy about being second banannas re signing for only a year with a trimmed down staff and according to rumor a pay cut, I dont think they wanted to go out this way. Mainly because if they are fired as a result of pressure from this asian group or for cause related to content, that would make their getting their next gig even more difficult.

A good show that sadly got caught in the crossfire at the wrong time when the climate was still poisoned from Imus. Dog house are definately talents it would be sad if tthis were their undoing.
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