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K-Earth at 6.5, August 2020

And you mention "Brown Eyed Girl" as charting very low or stiffing. Nope. Peaked at #10 in Billboard. Held back by some stations (mostly in the deep south) that wouldn't play the original lyric "making love in the green grass behind the stadium", and didn't add it when Bang Records did a radio edit, stunting sales in those markets. At KHJ, it peaked at #2.

Exactly. there were s number of songs back then that broke out in certain markets but were very slow to get to national acceptance by radio. Brown Eyed Girl was an example of a song that peaked in one area and started to decline as it grew in others. So it never was #1 nationally, but it was, overall, a good performer on the charts.
 
Not after the guest on Fernwood Tonight told us that leisure suits cause cancer



At the time leisure suits were massively popular too. Burnt orange shag carpets were popular. Fake wood paneling was popular. So what?

I don't see anyone wearing leisure suits today, do you?
 
I don't see anyone wearing leisure suits today, do you?

But the shorter shorts are in fashion again. Some styles tend to reinvent themselves after a long hiatus. Maybe real instruments will make a return to pop music once again. Anything can happen. Look at vinyl records.
 
. Anything can happen.

Nonetheless, I am not putting money on spotting a flying pig.

Look at vinyl records.

Do you realize that vinyl records does not even represent a significant fraction of a percent of record company sales?

A recent article noted that the US may end up with no vinyl production facilities at all soon.

Yet still, buyers of new vinyl records are reported to outnumber those who still like "Honey" by nearly ten to one!
 
Do you realize that vinyl records does not even represent a significant fraction of a percent of record company sales?

Irrelevant. My point is that some things that were thought to be dead, have returned. No one expects vinyl sales today to be what they were in 1985 or 1974, but the trend is far from being lost forever, unlike the hundreds upon hundreds of quality hit songs from the 1967 through 1984 period that are constantly being ignored and buried feet underground.

Classic hits radio stations today, with ultra-small playlists (400 or less) are a huge turnoff.
 
Maybe to you, but not to the millions who listen. They have a bigger share of the radio audience than vinyl has of music consumers.

The "millions" who listen, most of them are not satisfied with what they hear. They continue to listen, because they have no choice. They rather hear from media that's free. Same goes for people who insist to stand in line for very long periods to get what they want, but they hate standing in line or sitting in traffic.

People listen to the radio, because they are fixated, they're used to it, so they listen, like a never-ending habit. They are tired of many of the songs they hear but they leave the radio on, regardless.

If people heard something "new" they'd be curious and regain the interest. People like change.
 
The "millions" who listen, most of them are not satisfied with what they hear. They continue to listen, because they have no choice. They rather hear from media that's free. Same goes for people who insist to stand in line for very long periods to get what they want, but they hate standing in line or sitting in traffic.

People listen to the radio, because they are fixated, they're used to it, so they listen, like a never-ending habit. They are tired of many of the songs they hear but they leave the radio on, regardless.

If people heard something "new" they'd be curious and regain the interest. People like change.

People hate change.

One of the biggest causes of a successful radio station losing audience is a new PD who decides they have to "refresh" the station... which usually means changing a lot of details ranging from liners to even the music flow and blend. This is generally followed by a marked decrease in listening, both in TSL and cume.

Changes in a station that is doing well have to be casual and progressive, not abrupt and intrusive.

For example, when a station loses audience due to a change in a morning show, research with those listeners who go away reveals "it had changed so I took that as a moment to see what is on the other stations" to be among the common responses, followed by "I didn't like the new show as much as the old one and just kinda' quit listening".

In general, those who react to change say, "I loved it just the way it was. it was my favorite radio station, but it's just not the same any more". What comes to mind in those cases is "New Coke"; change, but not for the better.

People listen to radio because they like it. Particular stations reflect their taste and they enjoy the announcers and other things the station offers. Even too big a change in music, such as those occasional music tests that reveal shifts in feelings about many songs, can be disruptive and a good station phases the changes in by slowly replacing the lowest testing songs with a few it did not play before.

In marketing in general we see things such as new logos or changes in a brand's product to require extensive testing. Recently, a high-end laundry product changed its aroma thinking they were modernizing the smell and many people thought that the smell was "stronger" and quit buying it. A logo change can imply a change in the product itself, which may make consumers try competing products instead.

Of recent, studies have determined that one of the issues with getting a car buyer to change brands is that "that other car has so many features I don't understand but the new one of my current brand is like the old one, just improved". That is what happens when technology moves faster than the average car retention span. The result: many people keep their old car longer, and also tend to stay with the same brand, too.

And when you say that listeners are "tired of the same songs" you are missing the point of research: to find out which songs are "hits" today and to keep playing them while shedding songs that no longer test well and replacing them with ones that do. Since the library is not static since neither is the target age group members, there are always songs on the horizon that will replace ones that are no longer liked enough to play.
 
Maybe to you, but not to the millions who listen. They have a bigger share of the radio audience than vinyl has of music consumers.

And, most important, a bigger share than they ever had in the entire history of KRTH as an oldies station.
 
Nonetheless, I am not putting money on spotting a flying pig.



Do you realize that vinyl records does not even represent a significant fraction of a percent of record company sales?

When it first hit, I thought this vinyl records fad would last about 10 minutes, something of a Boomer's trying to recreate the magic of their good old days thing. I found it comical that stores like the GAP were selling dopey retro record players and had a selection of about a dozen records to choose from to play on them.

The fact of the matter is there was nothing magical about vinyl records. They snap, crackled and popped more than your Rice Krispies even when they worked as designed, otherwise, they were not portable, took up a lot of space, and were easily ruined through scratches and warps. Record players and their forever breaking needles were just as problematic. Cassette tapes were of only marginal improvement, but life got magnitudes better with the invention of the CD, making almost all of those old problems disappear and the sound fidelity was out of this world.

But this fad seemingly has refused to die off and almost every title these days seems like it is released on vinyl too and some artists even put bonus material on the albums only. I still don't understand it, but I heard a statistic on the radio a few weeks ago (Unfortunately, I don't remember it well enough to quote) that basically said that vinyl records are on the verge of surpassing CD sales. I found this very hard to believe, but I see vinyl albums almost everywhere I go that music is sold. I feel like I am living in some alternate universe where up is down, right is left, and people will pay more money for an inferior product. I hope to wake up to a more sane reality soon.
 
The fact of the matter is there was nothing magical about vinyl records. They snap, crackled and popped more than your Rice Krispies

You may be focusing on the wrong part. It's a tangible product related to music. I know some musicians who create an original poster for every concert they do. They sell prints at their shows for $50 a piece. I'm not kidding. They encourage fans to collect them all, and display their concert tickets in the frame with the poster. They're also big into vinyl. These are not boomers.
 
Cassette tapes were of only marginal improvement, but life got magnitudes better with the invention of the CD, making almost all of those old problems disappear and the sound fidelity was out of this world.

...vinyl records are on the verge of surpassing CD sales. I found this very hard to believe, but I see vinyl albums almost everywhere I go that music is sold.

I feel like I am living in some alternate universe where up is down, right is left, and people will pay more money for an inferior product. I hope to wake up to a more sane reality soon.

Neither vinyl nor CDs sell much anymore. So if one outsells the other, it is like comparing dead and deader.

CDs in many cases do not sound better than albums. There are all kinds of analysis pieces, but they end up with the fact that at even the fastest sampling rates, digital is on and off and does not have the perfect curves that analog has.

And pops and scratches are a product of poor care of a record. In the many years I used disk recordings on the air in the 60's and into the 70's, vinyl was perfect, even for FM. The reason we went to taping records was for convenience: instant cuing, easy to read labels, ability to color code labels, etc. Vinyl had better quality, but tape had greater manageability. Scratches and pops was not a deciding factor.

CDs were somewhat of a hassle to use on the air. Until there were pro models that displayed the cut and did auto cuing, they were always off on timing. The pro models solved this, but you had to put the CD in a special case and it was still cumbersome to use albums.
 
But this fad seemingly has refused to die off and almost every title these days seems like it is released on vinyl too and some artists even put bonus material on the albums only. I still don't understand it, but I heard a statistic on the radio a few weeks ago (Unfortunately, I don't remember it well enough to quote) that basically said that vinyl records are on the verge of surpassing CD sales.

What I don't understand is why an album today costs around 25-35 bucks for a new release or a new re-issue of something that cost $8.99 way back when. Yeah, the vinyl quality is likely improved, but I'm not paying that much for a record. Used record stores or antique shops have them for a couple bucks, if you're lucky to find the one you're looking for.

Would you pay 3 bucks for a used Eagles Hotel California album in decent condition (1977 release) or pay $30 for it today?
 
The same reason a box of Corn Flakes costs about 4.3 times more today than it did in 1977. Inflation.
 
Neither vinyl nor CDs sell much anymore. So if one outsells the other, it is like comparing dead and deader.

CDs in many cases do not sound better than albums. There are all kinds of analysis pieces, but they end up with the fact that at even the fastest sampling rates, digital is on and off and does not have the perfect curves that analog has.

I do not believe the human ear is capable of hearing the digital "on and offs" (mine certainly isn't) and the next vinyl album I find that sounds better than its comparable CD will be the first. There is nothing better than hearing a well produced CD. I remember one of the very first CDs I got was Paul Simon's Graceland album. I first bought it on tape and loved it several years before when it came out in '86, but when I eventually got it on CD, it was like hearing a whole 'nother dimension. There are several other albums that affected me the same way.

And again, this whole "the vinyl really does sound better" thing has only sprung up over the last several years. No one in the late 80's and 90's said something so ridiculous. The CD technology was so obviously better a lot of people (like me) ended up replacing almost their entire music library on CD - not a cheap venture on my part for sure.
 
And again, this whole "the vinyl really does sound better" thing has only sprung up over the last several years. No one in the late 80's and 90's said something so ridiculous.

Classical music buffs did. While my father, who was very much into the music, didn't buy into that argument, it came up again and again in heated discussions with fellow record collectors and in the pages of his copies of Fanfare, the excellent magazine written and edited by people with a real passion for classical music and its recordings. There was even a bizarre audio cult that believed the only way to get a CD to approach the vinyl ideal was to draw a ring around its edge with a Magic Marker, preferably green. (I kid you not. The theory was regularly discussed in the letters section.)

Anyway, I agree with you. It's all hokum, but the hokum has been around longer than you realize. I would imagine that jazz fans, who can be even more obsessive audiophiles than classical fans, were pushing the same arguments at that time.
 
Classical music buffs did. While my father, who was very much into the music, didn't buy into that argument, it came up again and again in heated discussions with fellow record collectors and in the pages of his copies of Fanfare, the excellent magazine written and edited by people with a real passion for classical music and its recordings. There was even a bizarre audio cult that believed the only way to get a CD to approach the vinyl ideal was to draw a ring around its edge with a Magic Marker, preferably green. (I kid you not. The theory was regularly discussed in the letters section.)

Anyway, I agree with you. It's all hokum, but the hokum has been around longer than you realize. I would imagine that jazz fans, who can be even more obsessive audiophiles than classical fans, were pushing the same arguments at that time.
The argument I heard was that vinyl was "warmer". It was later explained that the "warmth" one heard was a type of distortion! This whole thing strikes me as only slightly more convincing than "Monster cable"!
 
The same reason a box of Corn Flakes costs about 4.3 times more today than it did in 1977. Inflation.

Exactly. $8.99 in 1980 dollars adjusted for inflation is----$28.36.

And given that the reissues are on much higher-quality vinyl than 40 years ago and there aren't the economies of producing them in huge quantities, the new price is actually a little less, adjusted.




(P.S.: Records have ALWAYS been expensive. Go back to the good old days of $4.98 for a stereo LP. That was 1968. That's $37.20 in today's money.
 
Exactly. $8.99 in 1980 dollars adjusted for inflation is----$28.36.

And given that the reissues are on much higher-quality vinyl than 40 years ago and there aren't the economies of producing them in huge quantities, the new price is actually a little less, adjusted.




(P.S.: Records have ALWAYS been expensive. Go back to the good old days of $4.98 for a stereo LP. That was 1968. That's $37.20 in today's money.

Wow! You mean I was paying nearly $7.50 for those singles I only listened to one side of? What a rip-off!
 
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