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K-Frog To Improve Reception in Orange & L.A. Counties

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mostb1

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http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/entertainment/columns/article_1270082.php

KZLA CHANGES
E-mails continue to arrive from readers lamenting the format flip of country KZLA/93.9 FM to rhythmic pop contemporary. The loss of Peter Tilden, Shawn Parrand others has clearly touched a nerve. On the plus side, KFRG/95.1 FM recognizes that country music has a wide and loyal following and even though it is based in the Inland Empire, it is on track with plans to improve reception in Orange and Los Angeles counties.

"We have been talking about expanding our community service, and while we know our roots are in the Inland Empire, we are beginning to reference Orange County more in our drive-time weather and traffic reports," said Tom Hoyt, senior vice president and market manager of the CBS-owned station.

"We have on order and will be testing in a few weeks a new antenna configuration. Currently, we lose 4, maybe 5 percent of our signal propagation that bounces off the backside of our antenna into the San Bernardino mountains.

"The new antenna will focus more down this way, into the existing contour. You will then begin to hear us better in buildings and homes," he said.

Car reception for K-Frog is very strong everywhere. I've driven from Mission Viejo to Arcadia, to as far away as Torrance and Marina del Rey and the reception was loud and clear.

K-Frog's focus is "family fun entertainment," Hoyt said. "There is a country heritage here that goes back 17 years. Country music as a genre has its ups and downs, but the secret to our success has been a low-key hometown kind of approach," he said.

Arbitron ratings support Hoyt. KFRG is No. 1 overall among adults age 25-54, No. 5 in morning drive, No. 1 middays, and No. 2 3-7 p.m. It's No. 10 from 7 p.m. to midnight when listeners seem more in a mood for news, talk, rock, adult contemporary or rhythm and blues.
 
mostb1 said:
http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/entertainment/columns/article_1270082.php

KZLA CHANGES
E-mails continue to arrive from readers lamenting the format flip of country KZLA/93.9 FM to rhythmic pop contemporary. The loss of Peter Tilden, Shawn Parrand others has clearly touched a nerve. On the plus side, KFRG/95.1 FM recognizes that country music has a wide and loyal following and even though it is based in the Inland Empire, it is on track with plans to improve reception in Orange and Los Angeles counties.

"We have been talking about expanding our community service, and while we know our roots are in the Inland Empire, we are beginning to reference Orange County more in our drive-time weather and traffic reports," said Tom Hoyt, senior vice president and market manager of the CBS-owned station.

"We have on order and will be testing in a few weeks a new antenna configuration. Currently, we lose 4, maybe 5 percent of our signal propagation that bounces off the backside of our antenna into the San Bernardino mountains.

"The new antenna will focus more down this way, into the existing contour. You will then begin to hear us better in buildings and homes," he said.

Car reception for K-Frog is very strong everywhere. I've driven from Mission Viejo to Arcadia, to as far away as Torrance and Marina del Rey and the reception was loud and clear.

K-Frog's focus is "family fun entertainment," Hoyt said. "There is a country heritage here that goes back 17 years. Country music as a genre has its ups and downs, but the secret to our success has been a low-key hometown kind of approach," he said.

Arbitron ratings support Hoyt. KFRG is No. 1 overall among adults age 25-54, No. 5 in morning drive, No. 1 middays, and No. 2 3-7 p.m. It's No. 10 from 7 p.m. to midnight when listeners seem more in a mood for news, talk, rock, adult contemporary or rhythm and blues.
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There is no CP application I can find, so tiny tweeks on the mounting structure are going to be insignificant. While maps show KFRG getting a 70 dbu into a lot of the LA market (maybe 25%) and a 60dbu into maybe 70%, the fact is that a Langley Rice shows the station to be severely blocked by all the mountains that are in the way. I would doubt that the station could even pick up a 0.5. It will be interesting to see the next LA trend, out a week from tomorrow, to see if there was any reaction in August to the change and whether KFRG shows in the trend.

In Phase I, the only IE station (excluding KLYY which is home to LA) showing is KGG>I, and it is below a half-share 12+.
 
Maybe KFROG HD is the answer, broadcast on KROQ or KRTH HD?

No, wait, look at the newspaper article about the $200 Recepter HD radio, the great white hope for corporate radio:

Radio World: ---->"Because of the cliff effect of digital, we did hear comments from some stations and listeners through stations that couldn't get the FM to work on HD," (said the NPR Labs engineer trying to make the damn thing work.)

Radio World: ---->Meanwhile, Boston Acoustics in April addressed complaints in that area. The receiver maker told Radio World it would begin packaging a second FM antenna, a stronger conventional dipole, with its units to improve reception, especially in fringe areas.

Radio World: ---->Recepter Radio HD models will have the additional antenna included, so the units now will come with four: an internal AM, an external AM, the pre-attached short wire or so-called "rat-tail" FM antenna and the new FM dipole. Radio professionals and consumers can call (978) 538-5000 and ask for parts and service to obtain an antenna for a radio they purchased earlier, said Boston Acoustics spokeswoman Colleen Cronin.

Radio World: ---->Several engineers had complained to the company and grumbled in online technical postings that the original 18-inch, single-wire FM antenna did a poor job of detecting digital signal in fringe areas. These engineers generally commented that BA had made a good radio but supplied an inexpensive antenna.



Zuma Hans----> Tell me again, how great is HD radio? The radios come with 4 antennas, for consumers to try to get a signal?

Why not ship them with rabbit ears and tin foil?
 
zumahans said:
Maybe KFROG HD is the answer, broadcast on KROQ or KRTH HD?

No, wait, look at the newspaper article about the $200 Recepter HD radio, the great white hope for corporate radio:

Radio World: ---->"Because of the cliff effect of digital, we did hear comments from some stations and listeners through stations that couldn't get the FM to work on HD," (said the NPR Labs engineer trying to make the damn thing work.)

Radio World: ---->Meanwhile, Boston Acoustics in April addressed complaints in that area. The receiver maker told Radio World it would begin packaging a second FM antenna, a stronger conventional dipole, with its units to improve reception, especially in fringe areas.

Radio World: ---->Recepter Radio HD models will have the additional antenna included, so the units now will come with four: an internal AM, an external AM, the pre-attached short wire or so-called "rat-tail" FM antenna and the new FM dipole. Radio professionals and consumers can call (978) 538-5000 and ask for parts and service to obtain an antenna for a radio they purchased earlier, said Boston Acoustics spokeswoman Colleen Cronin.

Radio World: ---->Several engineers had complained to the company and grumbled in online technical postings that the original 18-inch, single-wire FM antenna did a poor job of detecting digital signal in fringe areas. These engineers generally commented that BA had made a good radio but supplied an inexpensive antenna.



Zuma Hans----> Tell me again, how great is HD radio? The radios come with 4 antennas, for consumers to try to get a signal?

Why not ship them with rabbit ears and tin foil?
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You are judging an entire technology, HD, based on the shortcomings of one radio that nearly everyone believes is a flawed implementation of that technology by a single manufacturer, using an outdated chipset.

9 auto companies and 37 models willhave HD in 2007. There should be dozens of HD radios introduced at the next CES in 2007. These willhave the 2.0 chipset. And iBiquity and Intel have a joint venture (Intel invested in iBiquity) to develop future chipsets.

And you are focusing on one less-than-perfect receiver. One on which I can get every LA and one Riverside HD channel very well, just with a 20" piece of wire.
 
If KFROG does get to a 0.5, it will have a higher rating than Indie 103.1, which is located in the LA area, even though the signal has poor coverage.
 
----->9 auto companies and 37 models willhave HD in 2007. There should be dozens of HD radios introduced at the next CES in 2007.


Only 35 percent of radio listening is done in the car, according to the mantra that some "expert" keeps regurgitating into the web. And not all those cars will be within the narrower service contours required for HD radio, and not all those service contours will be from stations that even bother to put HD on the air.

So how many listeners at any given time will the HD service be available to, Davey? How many zeros past the decimal point?

Most importantly, how will all those Beemers and Benzes look with rabbit ears and tinfoil on top?
 
zumahans said:
----->9 auto companies and 37 models willhave HD in 2007. There should be dozens of HD radios introduced at the next CES in 2007.


Only 35 percent of radio listening is done in the car, according to the mantra that some "expert" keeps regurgitating into the web. And not all those cars will be within the narrower service contours required for HD radio, and not all those service contours will be from stations that even bother to put HD on the air.

So how many listeners at any given time will the HD service be available to, Davey? How many zeros past the decimal point?

Most importantly, how will all those Beemers and Benzes look with rabbit ears and tinfoil on top?
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Actually, in car is closer to 30% nationally across rated markets. From a low of 24% in NY to a high around 32% in long commute cities, with the average about 30%

HD in the car is usable to at least the 64 dbu contour, where 95% of measured listening occurs. Cars already have an antenna cut to the average wavelength of FM signals, so the antenna is perfect for HD, too.

There are over 1000 HD stations on, with over 1000 more signed.
 
Ron said:
If KFROG does get to a 0.5, it will have a higher rating than Indie 103.1, which is located in the LA area, even though the signal has poor coverage.
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If a tie with Indie is a measure of success, the basic model of radio has changed more than I thought. :p
 
DavidEduardo said:
There are over 1000 HD stations on, with over 1000 more signed.
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Are there really, already? I was at HD's site yesterday and they claim about 600 stations currently broadcasting.

Is that not the complete list? I'd be interested in seeing what they're missing, if anything.
 
Rico Garcia said:
DavidEduardo said:
There are over 1000 HD stations on, with over 1000 more signed.
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Are there really, already? I was at HD's site yesterday and they claim about 600 stations currently broadcasting.

Is that not the complete list? I'd be interested in seeing what they're missing, if anything.
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You must not have gone to the site, which holds no surprise for me. They show 975 stations on at http://www.ibiquity.com/hd_radio/hdradio_find_a_station

"Find HD Radio Stations Near You

HD Radio broadcasting is sweeping the nation. Many of your favorite stations are already HD Radio broadcasters.

Currently, there are 975 HD Radio stations broadcasting across the nation. Click on the map below or use the drop-down menu to find stations in your state.

This information is as accurate as possible. If you are aware of any errors, please notify us by e-mail at [email protected]."

The Radio World scorecard that iBiquity publishes regularly last showed something like 1025 stations on, between AM and FM. The HD Consortium shows a few more. Many stations do not instantly notify iBiquity when they go on, and since there is a severe backlog in getting equipment for stations, this may explain the lag.
 
I wasn't thinking of Indie as a succes and I'm surprsed they are still around since they only have about half the audience that KDL and The Groove had, and they are gone because they werent sucessful.

What I was thinking is that a station as far away as the IE with limited coverage can get a rating as high as some stations that are located in LA.

In a market with 80+ stations, only 20 can be in the top 20, and the rest either have the $$ and the knowhow to push one of them out or they have to succeed with the market share that they have.
 
Rico Garcia said:
DavidEduardo said:
You must not have gone to the site, which holds no surprise for me. They show 975 stations on at http://www.ibiquity.com/hd_radio/hdradio_find_a_station
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Ok, I was actually looking at:

http://hdradio.com/hd_digital_radio_format_list.php

This page says: Number of Stations in All Markets: 610
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Do not confound the expert!

He said 975, thou shalt worship his devine font of knowledge and kiss his mighty orifice of knowledge.

You are lucky he even posts here, as we are not worthy of his eminence and power.
 
Rico Garcia said:
Ok, I was actually looking at:

http://hdradio.com/hd_digital_radio_format_list.php

This page says: Number of Stations in All Markets: 610
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There are about 5 lists of HD, including the FCC one. None are totally accurate, as there is not a really organized way of knowing which one to use. The HD site, with its Discover It phrase, is apparently the Consortium's site and is badly in need of updating.

So, as I said, I am not surprised you found one of the incorrect lists... there are a bunch of them.
 
how can you guys (you know who) post so much
with a full-time job?

oh.
 
zumahans said:
Do not confound the expert!

He said 975, thou shalt worship his devine font of knowledge and kiss his mighty orifice of knowledge.

You are lucky he even posts here, as we are not worthy of his eminence and power.
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I wasn't confounding anyone. Just mentioning where I got my information. Now I know there is a more updated source for this information.

I'm not sure why you're so upset all the time. It's really too bad.
 

I wasn't confounding anyone. Just mentioning where I got my information. Now I know there is a more updated source for this information.
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You did prove that the dissemination of information that would help a person decide on buying an HD radio is, at best, incomplete. I dropped a note to Peter Ferrara....

The page now says,
900 Stations and Counting!
More than 900 radio stations are currently broadcasting primary signals in HD Digital, reaching 75% of the U.S. population, expanding to 1200 stations and 90% of the population by the end of this year. By July 31 of this year, the number of stations broadcasting HD2 multicast channels with exciting new music formats is expected to grow to 400.

There are, per another source, over 500 HD 2 channels on now...
 
romer979fm said:
how can you guys (you know who) post so much
with a full-time job?

oh.
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When you work for youself, and spend a lot of time on the keyboard, correcting DE is more fun than picking nits off the dog.

Bills are paid, life at the beach is good. Plenty of time to sweep up here.
 
Rico Garcia said:
zumahans said:
Do not confound the expert!

He said 975, thou shalt worship his devine font of knowledge and kiss his mighty orifice of knowledge.

You are lucky he even posts here, as we are not worthy of his eminence and power.
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I wasn't confounding anyone. Just mentioning where I got my information. Now I know there is a more updated source for this information.

I'm not sure why you're so upset all the time. It's really too bad.
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Rico, there's a class at your local CC - "Sarcasm 101" I suggest you enroll :D
 
That would be a ratio of, what, 5 potential listeners per HD station?

10?
 
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