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K-Rock 2

At first listen the content seems pretty good, a little heavier than I'd like, but at least its some new rock, and I think that newness is the most important part. The playback rate is terrible though, it sounds like its 64kps, which causes the high end to sound like absolute crud.


Three real questions come up:

1. Why did CBS make the choice to use such a low bit rate, especially given that members of the 18-34 demo consider high-speed internet access a must? Internet radio standard is at least 128kps.

2. Where are the podcasts for the subway-commute in? I know licensing issues get sticky, but I think the MP3 technology exists now where MP3 files can self-corrupt, perhaps K-Rock/CBS radio can work some sort of agreement out with record labels taking advantage of this technology?

3. What is K-Rock2's strategy as far as imaging and marketing?
 
too hard you say?
now that k-rock has finally tuned on their HD radio signal, maybe they can put on k-rock 2 on HD-2
I'd like to give it a listen.
It seems that I cannot get k-rock 2 to work on my Intel Mac...? any suggestions

Brooklyndon said:
At first listen the content seems pretty good, a little heavier than I'd like, but at least its some new rock, and I think that newness is the most important part. The playback rate is terrible though, it sounds like its 64kps, which causes the high end to sound like absolute crud.


Three real questions come up:

1. Why did CBS make the choice to use such a low bit rate, especially given that members of the 18-34 demo consider high-speed internet access a must? Internet radio standard is at least 128kps.

2. Where are the podcasts for the subway-commute in? I know licensing issues get sticky, but I think the MP3 technology exists now where MP3 files can self-corrupt, perhaps K-Rock/CBS radio can work some sort of agreement out with record labels taking advantage of this technology?

3. What is K-Rock2's strategy as far as imaging and marketing?
 
Jamie said:
too hard you say?
now that k-rock has finally tuned on their HD radio signal, maybe they can put on k-rock 2 on HD-2
I'd like to give it a listen.
It seems that I cannot get k-rock 2 to work on my Intel Mac...? any suggestions

After a closer listen, the sound is just about right, and they play just about the right mix. I really like to top 5 countdown, I don't like the "hacked" segment. I think they might be increasing the bit-rate as they said something about K-Rock 2 in HD. I've only heard spots for Major World, so the sales staff is obviously neglecting the platform. If I were K-Rock and I were serious about making the stream popular and profitable, I would do a few things,

#1. Integrate with Last FM seeing as my parent company paid $280,000,000 for it last year. I'd basically keep the front end page at www.krock2.com, because it will make it easier to sell to companies as a stand alone entity for locals, but I'd have the social networking engine, the playback engine, and the back end streaming technology held on last.fm in order to let Viacom do the national deals with national companies. Sort of like what we call in Finance, a "white label." (See appendix A)

#2. I'd require user data before listening to my free stream. The thought that any schmo can listen to this stream is garbage. Pah-lease, anyone who wants to listen must have a login, and to get a login the user must provide to provide age, gender data, and location data. And the rebuttal that people wont casually listen without a login is garbage too, people login to read the times, they login to check myspace, they login to blog about radio on radio-info, people log in for everything.

#3. I'd put a rate this song (good or bad, binary solution only) on the front of the player so I had real time market data and didn't have to hire consultants to tell me what my listeners like. And given my login info, I could slice and dice it based on a/s/l.

#4. Podcasts - You need them for the car-ride in the short term until wireless streaming takes off, and you'll need them for your subway commuters long term as a wireless internet signal won't penetrate the tunnels.

Overall, I'm happy to hear new music again. I'm going to see spoon at batter park City on July 11 now (found out about that show on myspace by the way, k-Rock/cbs radio need to improve that aspect to their business), and for the first time in a while I feel good about "Indie" (I guess that's what they call alternative now). As far as inability to stream on a mac, I mean, you bought the thing, ask apple why their machine is incompatible with the world.

# Appendix A - On a further thought about internet radio theory, from a cost standpoint, it makes total sense to have just one central data center streaming to all users nationally. And the big boy advertising firms would save so much time in that they'd only have to do one central deal rather than hundreds of regional deals, I'm sure advertising firms would be willing to pay premium for the ease and accountability of doing a national deal through a central point (especially when that ease means they can cut staff). The problem is, if you move to this centralized model, then you risk allowing regional upstarts (possibly independent of a revenue model, server space is cheap after all!?) to cut into your listener share. The only way to prevent one of those music-over-money pinkos from cutting into your shareholders bottom line is to add value to your super cheap centralized music service, coopting them essentially, by establishing regionalized webpage front-ends, of course, on top of this web page, you'll need a small street team and salesforce for obvious imaging (account management) and revenue reasons (allows a company to do regional deals with the medium sized fish). It seems like CBS already has the infrastructure and, more importantly, the regional market share, in place to move to the inevitable streaming model.
 
Brooklyndon said:
#2. I'd require user data before listening to my free stream. The thought that any schmo can listen to this stream is garbage. Pah-lease, anyone who wants to listen must have a login, and to get a login the user must provide to provide age, gender data, and location data. And the rebuttal that people wont casually listen without a login is garbage too, people login to read the times, they login to check myspace, they login to blog about radio on radio-info, people log in for everything.

If you believe that people actually put real information in when they sign up for something like that, I'd love to sell you that big ol' bridge that connects you to Manhattan. Mostly people don't put real information in forms like that because most people see it for what it is. Data mining. As far as sites like the Times are concerned, I'm an 86 year old woman from Angola.

There's a reason that a whole cottage industry has sprung up over that kind of useless registration. There are sites like BugMeNot and more disposable email address sites than I can name. About the only thing that's reliable (at least 99% of the time) is the IP address. Everything else is significantly contaminated with bad data.
 
cawasinnj said:
If you believe that people actually put real information in when they sign up for something like that, I'd love to sell you that big ol' bridge that connects you to Manhattan. Mostly people don't put real information in forms like that because most people see it for what it is. Data mining. As far as sites like the Times are concerned, I'm an 86 year old woman from Angola.

Thats a great point, I guess I take sort of a more naive approach to it. Accurate data is a huge problem, how would you go about emploring people to provide accurate data for an online stream? Is it even possible?
 
Brooklyndon said:
cawasinnj said:
If you believe that people actually put real information in when they sign up for something like that, I'd love to sell you that big ol' bridge that connects you to Manhattan. Mostly people don't put real information in forms like that because most people see it for what it is. Data mining. As far as sites like the Times are concerned, I'm an 86 year old woman from Angola.

Thats a great point, I guess I take sort of a more naive approach to it. Accurate data is a huge problem, how would you go about emploring people to provide accurate data for an online stream? Is it even possible?

However examining the myspace model, I think that the overwhelming majority of users will provide accurate data, and this means that consultants and pds can be eliminated from the mix completely with a streaming model.
 
I doubt it's possible.

the Myspace analogy doesn't work though. Myspace is designed to be personal. It's designed to be something that reflects YOU. Some anonymous login that nobody but the marketing department will ever see isn't the same thing at all.
 
cawasinnj said:
I doubt it's possible.

the Myspace analogy doesn't work though. Myspace is designed to be personal. It's designed to be something that reflects YOU. Some anonymous login that nobody but the marketing department will ever see isn't the same thing at all.

Well last.fm has a social networking engine on it. And I think if you throw in the ability to rate songs, and possibly get free promo downloads are incentives around the pretty low bar to admission a login is.
 
cawasinnj said:
If you believe that people actually put real information in when they sign up for something like that, I'd love to sell you that big ol' bridge that connects you to Manhattan. Mostly people don't put real information in forms like that because most people see it for what it is. Data mining. As far as sites like the Times are concerned, I'm an 86 year old woman from Angola.

LOL, I've worked at Radio Shack and folks will lie straight to your face so as not to be put in their database! ;D The most often used name? "Cash". (I wonder if they meant Johnny?)
 
the sangean tuner is a really good HD tuner you can force analog mode on the new ones. the problem is rack shack best Bucks and Circuit SH**y don't carry home theater HD's and only car ones. that really pisses me off!
well thats my two cents
-OZ

NH Radiochild said:
cawasinnj said:
If you believe that people actually put real information in when they sign up for something like that, I'd love to sell you that big ol' bridge that connects you to Manhattan. Mostly people don't put real information in forms like that because most people see it for what it is. Data mining. As far as sites like the Times are concerned, I'm an 86 year old woman from Angola.

LOL, I've worked at Radio Shack and folks will lie straight to your face so as not to be put in their database! ;D The most often used name? "Cash". (I wonder if they meant Johnny?)
 
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