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K-Rock All Over The Road

I guess K-Rock is trying to battle 'RXP as to which station sucks less... It seems that they've been incorporating some classic rock staples normally heard on Q104 into its metal/hairband/grunge/active/alternative hybrid...

Yesterday, in the 5 PM hour, they played Bruce Springsteen's "Rosalita." Thought it was a possible oversight.

But then this morning at around 5 AM, I heard The Eagles' "Life In The Fast Lane."

Come on, CBS, do the right thing, please... Pop, country - hell, I'll even take dance at this point! Just put this puppy out of its misery already.
 
DToTheJ said:
I guess K-Rock is trying to battle 'RXP as to which station sucks less... It seems that they've been incorporating some classic rock staples normally heard on Q104 into its metal/hairband/grunge/active/alternative hybrid...

Yesterday, in the 5 PM hour, they played Bruce Springsteen's "Rosalita." Thought it was a possible oversight.

But then this morning at around 5 AM, I heard The Eagles' "Life In The Fast Lane."

Come on, CBS, do the right thing, please... Pop, country - hell, I'll even take dance at this point! Just put this puppy out of its misery already.

Which station is Leslie Framm programming?
 
How is it that people with unique and innovative ideas for radio are often canned or kept out of the business while large companies allow their properties to be run like WXRK has been run post Stern?

Meanwhile, while they insist people don't want "eclectic" or new or varied music on the radio, they insist on this trainwreck idea of variety. I suppose as long as your idea of variety is finding a different name for classic rock and hits.

And if you like real music, WFUV's HD channel known as the "Alternate Side" is now on the air and online. Recommended for those of you who are looking for actual alternative music.
 
This afternoon, I heard an EDITED (shortened) version of "Cat Scratch Fever" by Ted Nugent that I'd never heard any radio station play before. It sounded terrible.

Since 'RXP plays a lot of alternative and new wave and Q-104 is a standard classic rock station, K-ROCK should really go active and play some heavier bands/songs and a bigger variety of songs by the core artists. Unfortunately, it seems like they believe that GNR is the most hardcore band out there.
 
It appears more and more likely that the station has about all the potential of a beached whale at this point...we'll see how things roll in 2009.
 
I guess my prediction that you'd hear more "Jurassic Park" Rock on K-Rock is, so far, pretty accurate. I just don't think anybody's going to experiment with a bold new sound the way, say, Z-100 did in the (other) steep recession years of the early '90's.
 
I wonder if K-Rock will become a clone of WYSP in Philly?

Both stations are lame and are underachievers, but at least WYSP has a better sense of focus at the moment.

CBS has a penchant for producing Rock brands that are ratings failures, especially those bearing the "K-Rock" (not to be confused with KROQ) brand name.

Let's look at the long list of markets where CBS has produced failing / failed rock stations over the last decade:

Failed Stations
PITTSBURGH (93.7 K-Rock)
SEATTLE (96.5 K-Rock)
SAN ANTONIO (102.7 K-Rock)
DETROIT (97-1 K-Rock / Extreme Radio)
WASHINGTON (94-7 The Arrow / WARW)
CLEVELAND (92-3 Xtreme Radio / 92-3 K-Rock)
CINCINNATI (Channel Z / New Rock 97-3 / Everything Alternative 97-3)
BUFFALO (92.9 WBUF)
SACRAMENTO (93.7 KXOA / HOWARD 93-7)
SAN DIEGO (THE PLANET)
PHOENIX (THE ZONE -- had good ratings for a year or two, but CBS managed to screw that up)
LOS ANGELES (KCBS-FM prior to flipping to Jack)
ATLANTA (Z93)

Failing Stations
NEW YORK (92-3 K-Rock)
PHILADELPHIA (94WYSP)
WASHINGTON (94-7 THE GLOBE, what a steaming pile this station is!)
BOSTON (104-1 WBCN; this one's debatable)
LAS VEGAS (Xtreme Radio -- what a shame! This used to be an outstanding station. CBS screwed up a good thing by messing with the branding and adding more talk programming a few years ago. The station never recovered from that.)

To Be Determined
CLEVELAND (Radio 92-3 -- debuted last week; has an Adult Modern Rock format similar to Radio 104-5 in Philly)

Misc. Strategical Blunders
Blowing up the very successful KOME brand in the San Francisco / San Jose market and choosing to preserve the ho-hum Live 105 brand. They should've done the complete opposite!

At the end of the day, Clear Channel was able to establish a very successful Classic Rock station on the former KOME frequency and CBS was left with a ratings-starved Modern Rocker.
 
I would rather have the Jamrock song they played every hour last year than the crap that is on k-rock right now.
 
DToTheJ said:
I guess K-Rock is trying to battle 'RXP as to which station sucks less... It seems that they've been incorporating some classic rock staples normally heard on Q104 into its metal/hairband/grunge/active/alternative hybrid...

Yesterday, in the 5 PM hour, they played Bruce Springsteen's "Rosalita." Thought it was a possible oversight.

But then this morning at around 5 AM, I heard The Eagles' "Life In The Fast Lane."

Come on, CBS, do the right thing, please... Pop, country - hell, I'll even take dance at this point! Just put this puppy out of its misery already.

Behold the "genius" that is Mark Chernoff. How this man manages to keep his job is beyond me.
 
I liked kzon in phoenix when it was alternative now its a rhythmic rhythmic station called jamz it fires staff all the time and is god awful.Cbs is clueless
 
MarkW said:
Let's look at the long list of markets where CBS has produced failing / failed rock stations over the last decade:

Out of 200 and some stations, a dozen or so that need or at one time needed work. P&G has more product failures than CBS, and that is saying a lot.

For example, WYSP under Andy Bloom is growing and improving... KCBS in LA was not a failure, it was just stagnant and research showed Jack would do better...

CBS has not been afraid to try some new formats, such as the ill-fated FM talk creation. You can't hit homers unless you step up to bat, and even in baseball, getting one out of three places you at the top of the game.

KUFX, the Clear Channel station that replaced KOME, is rated 24th 12+ in San Francisco, hardly a big success. It's only two position higher in 25-54, too. Unless you are in Spanish, having a South Bay signal in the SF market is not going to be much of a success for anyone.
 
Yes, you can't hit homers if you step up to bat, but with stations like K-Rock, CBS is showing an incredible stubbornness and unwillingness to deviate from a format that is clearly failing, and has failed in the specific market in the past.
 
Out of 200 and some stations, a dozen or so that need or at one time needed work. P&G has more product failures than CBS, and that is saying a lot.

I'm referring specifically to their troubles with the Rock genre. Do they have 200 stations within the Rock genre? I think not.

Within Rock, their "batting average" (since you brought up the analogy) is .200 or less. Time to send them packing to the minor leagues.

It's not that See-B.S. has just a few failures, they have MULTIPLE failures. Look at how many Rock stations they have mismanaged!!! It's mind boggling! New York City isn't the only laughing stock; look at Washington!

Ya know what? I actually forgot to list two failed CBS rock stations earlier -- and these were glaring omissions on my part. Here they are:

WASHINGTON / BALTIMORE -- 99-1 WHFS
NEW YORK -- 102.7 WNEW

How many format variations did WNEW go through its last five years on the air?

For example, WYSP under Andy Bloom is growing and improving...

He's been there for...what...all of two months? That certainly is NOT enough time to form any conclusions on the station's recent programming changes.

Don't bother looking at cume in WYSP's case. Anyone with a clue knows that's driven by Eagles football. Once the NFL season is over, their cume will likely drop by 300,000 for the week.

Andy Bloom couldn't counterprogram against 93X in Minneapolis; he got the crap beat out of him. (Remember Rock 100.3? What a joke.) Howard Stern was the key to his success in Philly before.

You actually think he stands a chance against WMMR?!!!! Let's see how things look a year from now.

In the long-term, the ONLY way CBS will ever be able to win the rock battle in Philly is if they snag Preston & Steve from WMMR. I doubt they'll have sufficient funds in the budget to pull that off. I'm thinking Greater Media is in much better financial shape.

KCBS in LA was not a failure, it was just stagnant and research showed Jack would do better...

CBS let it become stagnant! I do give them credit, though, for changing the format to Jack. That was a good move.

CBS has not been afraid to try some new formats, such as the ill-fated FM talk creation. You can't hit homers unless you step up to bat, and even in baseball, getting one out of three places you at the top of the game.

Free-FM was ill-conceived from both the programming and branding side of things. They had only a small stable of talent to successfully execute such a format, yet they rolled out on multiple stations nationwide within a short time span. They also ditched successful brand names such as "106.7 WJFK," "CKG...The Package," and "97-1 FM Talk" for the generic if not ambiguious "Free FM" moniker.

Let's also not forget Blink 102.7! ;D

KUFX, the Clear Channel station that replaced KOME, is rated 24th 12+ in San Francisco, hardly a big success. It's only two position higher in 25-54, too.

Of course they aren't going to get great numbers in the San Francisco market at large. 107-7 The Bone has a much better signal in the northern 1/2 of the market. KUFX doesn't target San Francisco at-large, it targets the South Bay.

KOME, on the same signal as KUFX, was able to generate a 3.0 share in the overall San Francisco market on a regular basis (granted, the demos were young.)

My point: CBS should've kept KOME intact on 98.5 and sold 105.3's facilities instead (they could've gotten considerably more money for 105.3's facilities than 98.5's, I would think), OR they should have moved KOME's intellectual property to 105.3.

Overall, I think CBS will throw in the towel on some of their rock stations in 2009. Look for them to start migrating or simulcasting more & more of their Sports or News/Talk stations on FM, or even launching brands within these two formats from scratch.

I also think you will see an expansion of CHR/Pop among CBS stations. In case you don't know, they snagged Dom Theodore from Clear Channel a couple months ago. He starts with CBS around the New Year. What's interesting is that he will be overseeing all of CBS' CHR/Pop stations nationally, but not their CHR/Rhythmic stations. CBS doesn't have that many CHR/Pop stations right now, which tells me that they will likely be expanding within that genre.
 
One more comment -- I see music wise that WXRK has now become almost an exact replica of WYSP in Philly.

The good news: WXRK's music is becoming more focused.

The bad news? I think it has moved in the OPPOSITE direction compared to what most people here (myself included) wanted.

For all intents & purposes, WXRK is now a heritage rock station. The already thin 90's library has been cut back even further in favor of a much wider cross-section of 70's & 80's material. Looks like K-Rock is down to 1 current / recurrent an hour. Looks like about 70% of the music is pre-1990.

Hmmm...isn't this approach more-or-less what WNEW tried in the late 90's? WNEW scored about a 1.5 share for its efforts back then.
 
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