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K-Rock Rumors

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ear2rail

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According to the rumor mill, 93.7 is going to change from K-Rock to either Free FM or some type of Jack format to go up against Bob (and SAM in Greensburg), and sooner rather than later.

My source is not TOO reliable, but I thought it was worth floating.
Can anyone on the inside confirm/deny? Is it rumor??

ear2rail
 
It's hard to say, but with the horrible K Rock ratings, I wouldn't be surprised if they change to something else. I'm not too familiar with the free fm format, is that an all talk format?
 
"go up against Bob"

Considering that they failed by trying to "go up against" 'DVE and WRRK with a slightly different version of rock music than the two other stations were playing, why would anyone think that the path to success is to go up against a strong competitor head-to-head? I don't like Bob, and I think its success is going to prove to be a flash in the pan. But it is currently successful, and it has momentum. Whatever they rename the station at 93.7, it's going to have a tough uphill fight against WRRK if they make that attempt.

And before someone chimes in with the usual "Yeah, but they'll be programming Jack while WRRK is programming Bob", radio industry insiders might appreciate the subtle differences between the two formats, but radio listeners (you know, the people in the audience) won't see a dime's worth of difference between the two.

With minimal DJ personality to differentiate the stations, winning a head-to-head, Jack vs. Bob battle would boil down to who will spend the most money on promotion.
 
I don't think 93.7 will change to Jack for the reason you mentioned radio realist, because of it probably not being successful. I think Bob will die out in about 2-3 years, as many people will get tired of the train wrecks. People at my local pool are already complaining about Bob. I'm one of the few that does like the station.

I know this would never happen, but an all sports station be successful on 93.7?
 
I personally do not think it would be in Infinity's best interest to switch 93.7 to a JACK or FREE format. I personally love the "Whatever You Want Weekend" on STAR and perfer that to BobFM when it's on. Changing 93.7 to JACK would basically be Infinity having two variety stations in one city. I think STAR could do better if it was this type all the time. STAR has the "Whatever You Want Workday" but for some strange reason it isn't quite the same as the "Whatever You Want Weekend"! Go figure! I dunno...I still think 961 KISS needs some competition, but that is just my opinion.
 
"an all sports station be successful on 93.7?"

I wouldn't want to bet any money on that. An all sports station would have to be able to fill a lot of hours with sports programming. Pittsburgh currently only has one major league sports franchise (two if you include the Pirates, three if you include the Penguins). Two of the three teams already have broadcast contracts with other companies. That means an all sports station would have to carry minor league teams like the Pittsburgh Passion or the Pittsburgh Colts, along with getting the Pirates away from KDKA. And I wouldn't count on management wanting to shift that last thing KDKA has going for it over to its failing FM sister station.

And, there are lots of hours in the day when there are no sports events, so they'd have to fill those hours with sports talk, and there are already two full-time sports talk stations in town, plus sports talk programs on other stations as well.

So, it doesn't look to me like an all sports station could be successful.
 
BobFM or JackFM should be more like the 961 KISS Party Pod, they play absolutley anything...I heard Gretchen Wilson's Redneck Woman, some Frank Sinatra, and the Macarena! I'd love a station that actually did play ANYTHING!
 
hmmmm....

i would simply offer the following...... if i am not mistaken..CBS' new FM/GM in DA BURGH has a pretty strong N/T background.......

i'd bet on FREE FM or some version of it.....

but then...i am simply a humble observer....
 
The KISS Party Pod weekends are nothing more than taking a few songs out of their format and throwing them in. I listened and heard "Friends In Low Places" several times over. It's a gimmick to build AQH numbers while totally ignoring cume. BOB is doing the same thing. They throw in "obscure" hits (i.e. "Rock Lobster") and play them to death, while throwing in songs that would make a listener think "....well, I've heard that on (station) also." So while BOB builds impressive AQH shares, who's really sticking around for more? If 93.7 DOES go JACK, it'll be best if they research their music 1st before deciding on a library/playlist. Anyone can take the top hits of the last 35 years or so and throw them all together and call themselves a radio station. People want to know what's next.....if it doesn't impress, then they're gone. It's an instant gratification society we're in, and radio's a big part of it. Just look at the number of stations rated in this market and what the difference in ratings #s are from top to bottom. 20 years ago stations like Pickle, WJPA and the other suburban stations wouldn't show up because so many listeners were tuned into the more local stations. People are sampling more and more every day. Cume should be the main selling point of any radio station. That's why some stations will remain at the top and others will perish.
 
"I'd love a station that actually did play ANYTHING!"

You do realize, I hope, that "anything" would also include Frankie Yankovich, The Pittsburgh Symphony Orchestra, Slim Whitman, Ravi Shankar, Glenn Miller, Bollywood soundtracks, and Tibetan Monk chants.

You want to talk about a train wreck segue, what about going from the 1812 Overture to Peg of My Heart by the Harmonicats! (BTW, that Harmonicats song was the second best selling 78 rpm record in the history of recordings!)

Lots of people say they like anything or everything. But no one actually means it.
 
If you want my two cents (and maybe you don't, but) . . .

I want a third rock station in Pittsburgh. I think the problem is that after Stern left they had NO morning show- Roth was getting panned- and K-Rock put a lot of money into promoting David Lee Roth (billboards and such).

I think given time Opie and Anthony could gain an audience here, especially now that Alan Cox is gone. It's just a matter of promoting him, and evidently Clear Channel has used up their budget for K-Rock promotions.

One thing that I see is that K-Rock tried to mix the old with the new. But WDVE has been doing that for a long, long time. Looking at their Yes playlist for the past 24 hrs- WDVE is not so much classic rock but rather-

1. Nickelback
2. Bill Deasy
3. The Clarks (who maybe have been around long enough to be called classic rock, but still)
4. Red Hot Chilli Peppers (again- they've been around circa 1990 but still hardly fit in with the AC/DCs and Kisses of the world)
5. Green Day


None of those bands fit in with the "Classic Rock" feel.

The X is supposed to be modern day rock, but it seems WDVE is beating them to the punch.

Here's my idea. Let's keep K-Rock- Clear Channel enough invested into it and I think Pittsburgh can support three rock stations very well.

I WANT THREE ROCK STATIONS!

But K-Rock is doing very little of anything that you can't get on other stations. It's become what WRRK was to a degree BEFORE the switch to BOB- and why would you listen to them over WDVE?

What I like to hear, and think is very successful, on K-Rock is the House of Hair show. That is a standard "must-listen to" on Sunday night for me.

It is the ONLY thing distinctive about the station save for "O and A."

This town is going to support a major concert for Poison and Cinderella next month. Over in Wheeling, the major news-talk 50,000 watter leads into their newscast with a sounder of Ratt's "Round and Round."

Yet where can you hear these songs on the radio? Heck, WDVE even makes fun of them with "Mullet Talk."

What hooked me onto K-Rock in the beginning is that I started hearing songs that I loved that I hadn't heard on the airwaves since Rikki Rachman was a part of my Saturday night.

Building Around these songs onto a playlist would attract a 20 and 30 something crowd that would listen to the station as a guilty pleasure- in a town where listening to guilty pleasures has become the national pastime (look at the success of Mark Madden).

It has often been said the current rock state is sickly. But when I look at the fact that so many bands (The Donnas, Jet, The Darkness, even Buckcherry to a degree) are copying the style of rock I like and going away from the droning and sloppy riffs Nirvana gave us (ugh!), then I have reason to believe it's not me becoming a fuddy-duddy but rather there's something to it.

Even the fat, tattooed people listening to "Killswitch Engage" have Iron Maiden as the next CD in their rotation.

If you don't like the "Metal Sludge" genre then there are still two other stations that will cater to you in this city.

But I am part of an audience who doesn't have my tastes catered to. And trying to pull in WWVA at the top of the hour to listen to five seconds of Ratt might place me in the extreme, but I can't believe I'm the only one who wants to hear the whole song.
 
Isn't FREE-FM a flop?! If it isn't doing well in other cities, why bring it here?

I would certainly be more interested in hearing JACK FM over K-Rock. I'm not a fan of the current format and would welcome the change. However, I'd be most interested in hearing a new competition for 96.1 KISS. But I doubt that is going to happen.

How badly do you think JACK FM would hurt Star 100.7?
 
Allow me to pose some questions/observances here. I am neither one way or the other about K-Rock or any other format.

1. I find it quite odd that the majority in this thread wants to get rid of the competition for rock music (WXDX and WDVE are hardly competitors, head-to-head, as K-Rock and DVE are), but this same majority is willing to provide head-to-head competition for CHR (Top 40).

Think carefully: you are condoning, in fact, surrendering the rock championship to DVE by doing that. There will be no competition to WDVE--no Channel 97, no K-Rock, no anything. DVE will be the undisputed king.

As a result, if any of the majority has the nerve to bemoan the lack of competition, I'd be willing to open the first salvo of "well, it was YOUR idea".

2. Kiss had a bad book. Fine, it happens. Remember, its format is based in part on the musical offerings at present--it is CONTEMPORARY HIT radio. Its playlist is tempered by what is being released, what is popular. It also has to have a good presentation--jocks, imaging, etc.

That latter fortune is evident when you have a downturn in adequate musical offering--there has to be something to draw in the listeners (as well as a tweaked playlist).

But Kiss is also tempered by new music being added by other stations with shared core artists--most notably, Star, WXDX, and to a lesser extent, even Y108. Kiss has comeptition--directly from Star. They target the same group--young females (Kiss is slightly younger, but it is NOT a teen station, despite how hard it tries).

Is it really necessary for CBS to add another station in its cluster to target a station that is falling now, but is really subject more to the whims of the music public than to anything else? Does CBS really need two stations to target a CHR?

A CHR that is in a less-desirable demo than AC/Hot AC or Rock?

3. Free FM is always bandied about. But with the problems at KDKA, why would CBS want to try another talk format until they get their other house in order? KD can't young up its audience as it is, and even in a Free FM scenario, talk audiences are older, not younger. 25 year old guys are not listening to talk radio en masse.

4. JACK FM is not going to be a Pittsburgh format. Bob is here, and it's operated by another company. But It competes in the already full AC sector (Bob targets a 38 year-old married female): Star is a direct competitor (see a pattern here), as is Wish, 3WS, DVE, even K-Rock.

Why on earth would CBS wade into a demo battle where it already has two worthy competitors? It makes no sense for CBS to look around, see "what's missing" in Pittsburgh radio (which is what a programmer does when a format change is on the horizon), and go head-first straight into the biggest pack in the forest, AC formats/demos.

5. This talk on these K-Rock threads is all based on a reading of 12+ overall numbers--numbers in which K-Rock has stayed level. There has been no drop off, as there would be in a demo decline. So, something is going right.

But that doesn't mean that K-Rock doesn't need to alter a bit or change slightly. That always happens, and a good programmer will re-invent without anyone knowing.

But I can assure you that changing K-Rock based on a 12+ trend, or heading into the lost cause of CHR competition will be an insane proposition. It will never happen.
 
Radio_Realist said:
Lots of people say they like anything or everything. But no one actually means it.

If they did we'd be hearing "Timothy" and "Love to Love Ya, Baby!" a whole lot more often! :)
 
There's been more and more hair metal on DVE's Electric Lunch lately.

I'd like a REAL classic rock station - what 96.9 was doing - with deeper cuts. I know DVE is practically all classic at this point, but they still persist in throwing in Green Day and Nickelback. It would be nice to not have to lunge for the dial when things of this ilk come on.
 
Corporate- then you wonder why, if people are requesting these songs on Electric Lunch, they aren't put in the regular rotation more.

I posted the yes playlist and on WDVE their top played songs were from Nickelback and Green Day. I don't want to sound like an old fogie but, yeah, there's some sort of pace or rythym that is missing from their music. It's not FUN music!

That's why I want to see K-Rock succeed more. I think it has a lot of potential.

What I saw B-94 as was nothing more than a station you listened to only if you didn't like the pop cut that the other Top 40 (or what is the format called now- Contemporary Hit Radio? Big deal.) was playing- whatever that station is.

WDVE is leading, but it's ripe for the picking. It's not the same cutting-edge station it was in 1990.

K-Rock has the morning show and the market to succeed. But I don't know- I checked out their yes playlist and it was just awful.

It seemed as if The X was their main competition instead of WDVE.

You want to go that way, okay, but I ask anyone of any age group to look at the The X and K-Rock's play lists and to then come back and tell me which one they think is superior.
 
Pratte4Life said:
Corporate- then you wonder why, if people are requesting these songs on Electric Lunch, they aren't put in the regular rotation more.

Because then they would have to play actual deeper things on Electric Lunch, which is what it used to be and should be. I mean, I've heard things like Photograph, which I don't consider an EL type song. This feature has been going on for a long time and when I was in high school in the 80's, it wasn't people calling in and saying "Hey! How about Get Back by the Beatles!" because that was already on the playlist as classic rock. It's like EL has become "the place where it's OK to play hair metal" and I think that's stupid. Just because someone used hairspray doesn't mean it didn't rock. Hair, prog rock, grunge - it's all ROCK.
 
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