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K31GL-DT is on the air!

TexasTom said:
tripinva said:
KHPK-LD filed for their license recently. They're a digital signal on channel 3, owned by the same group as K31GL, I think. Can anybody see KHPK-LD? I'm not expecting it, since they're low-VHF...

After seeing your post, I decided to try tuning it in -- but didn't expect to receive anything. To my surprise, it is coming in at my home in Plano (a bit over 30 miles from the Cedar Hill antenna farm). 3-1 is home shopping (GEMS), and 3-2 is a test pattern. I'm using a chimney mounted Winegard all-channel antenna that I've had in place since 2001. No amplifiers, and several splitters prior to the converter box that I was using for my test.

Pretty impressive that I'm receiving *anything* from a 300 watt signal that is over 30 miles away -- and even more impressive considering that I am outside their protected (43 dBuV) contour.
Can i receive KHPK-LD up here in 76234? my antenna is 30 feet up on the house
 
eskipper411 said:
TexasTom said:
tripinva said:
KHPK-LD filed for their license recently. They're a digital signal on channel 3, owned by the same group as K31GL, I think. Can anybody see KHPK-LD? I'm not expecting it, since they're low-VHF...

After seeing your post, I decided to try tuning it in -- but didn't expect to receive anything. To my surprise, it is coming in at my home in Plano (a bit over 30 miles from the Cedar Hill antenna farm). 3-1 is home shopping (GEMS), and 3-2 is a test pattern. I'm using a chimney mounted Winegard all-channel antenna that I've had in place since 2001. No amplifiers, and several splitters prior to the converter box that I was using for my test.

Pretty impressive that I'm receiving *anything* from a 300 watt signal that is over 30 miles away -- and even more impressive considering that I am outside their protected (43 dBuV) contour.
Can i receive KHPK-LD up here in 76234? my antenna is 30 feet up on the house

Punch in 3.1 on your TV or converter box -- and don't forget to let the rest of us know the results, and which city that you're in.
 
My parents live in Lavon (75166) and have an antenna mounted in the attic pointed at Cedar Hill. K31GL-DT comes in great with a signal between 85 and 90 on a Dish Network 722 receiver and Dish TR-40 converter box. However, there is no signal on DT 3 KHPK-LD.

FWIW, all the LP analogs come in surprisingly well.
 
For what it's worth.. I have a very good rooftop antenna pointed at Cedar Hill at my house in Plano. I cannot get KHPK-LD on 3.1.
K31GL-D comes in great.
 
tested said:
For what it's worth.. I have a very good rooftop antenna pointed at Cedar Hill at my house in Plano. I cannot get KHPK-LD on 3.1.
K31GL-D comes in great.

Interesting -- I'm in Plano as well, and am able to receive both stations with a rooftop antenna from my location in central Plano. So I wonder why the difference?
 
TexasTom said:
tested said:
For what it's worth.. there's now a picture up on channel 22 that says the Genesis network programming of KNAV and KHPK has moved to K31GL.

And that same picture is now appearing on 31.3 and 31.4 -- I'm not sure exactly what purpose that is supposed to serve. Perhaps it is a place holder for whatever will be appearing on 31.3 and 31.4 in the future.

About a week ago 31.4 switched to infomercials for a few days, but then the picture froze up right before New Year's. It was like that for about a day, then it went back to the slide show telling you to get a converter box.
 
TexasTom said:
tested said:
For what it's worth.. I have a very good rooftop antenna pointed at Cedar Hill at my house in Plano. I cannot get KHPK-LD on 3.1.
K31GL-D comes in great.

Interesting -- I'm in Plano as well, and am able to receive both stations with a rooftop antenna from my location in central Plano. So I wonder why the difference?

Could be lots of things: local topography, antenna differences at VHF-Lo frequencies, interference from a local RF modulator (in a VCR, satellite receiver, etc.) set to channel 3; who knows?

FWIW, I'm also about 30 miles from Cedar Hill (in S. Garland). I can't get 3.1 either, but I don't have a good VHF-Lo antenna. (I tried rabbit ears in the attic with no luck.)
 
julesism said:
FWIW, all the LP analogs come in surprisingly well.

Same here - except what happened to KNAV 22? It had been airing Gems TV but it seems to be off the air as of 1/7 or so
 
JHBrandt said:
... what happened to KNAV 22? It had been airing Gems TV but it seems to be off the air as of 1/7 or so

Looks like KNAV 22 is back on the air. Still Gems TV. (Same as 3.1??)

31.4 is back to infomercials, but now 31.3 is airing the same infomercials as 31.4. The slide show is gone.

I saw one infomercial in Spanish (on both 31.3 and 31.4). Everything else I've seen was in English, though.
 
JHBrandt said:
JHBrandt said:
... what happened to KNAV 22? It had been airing Gems TV but it seems to be off the air as of 1/7 or so

Looks like KNAV 22 is back on the air. Still Gems TV. (Same as 3.1??)

31.4 is back to infomercials, but now 31.3 is airing the same infomercials as 31.4. The slide show is gone.

I saw one infomercial in Spanish (on both 31.3 and 31.4). Everything else I've seen was in English, though.
What do you mean by on air? Up here in 76234 I do not get 22 at ALL!! and I have a craving for some analog TV...
 
eskipper411 said:
JHBrandt said:
Looks like KNAV 22 is back on the air. Still Gems TV. (Same as 3.1??)

31.4 is back to infomercials, but now 31.3 is airing the same infomercials as 31.4. The slide show is gone.

I saw one infomercial in Spanish (on both 31.3 and 31.4). Everything else I've seen was in English, though.
What do you mean by on air? Up here in 76234 I do not get 22 at ALL!! and I have a craving for some analog TV...

Man, these LP stations are changing around so fast I can't keep up.

As of today, 1/14/09, KHPK 28 looks like it's become some kind of Spanish religious station, and KNAV 22 is no longer Gems TV - it looks like it now has the infomercials that were on 28 yesterday.

Even with a good rooftop UHF antenna, though, channel 22 will be pretty hard to get in 76234 - at least if tvfool.com is to be believed.
 
This is seriously messed up I mean, what if I have to watch spanish religious stations and Infomercials? :)
 
TexasTom said:
tested said:
For what it's worth.. I have a very good rooftop antenna pointed at Cedar Hill at my house in Plano. I cannot get KHPK-LD on 3.1.
K31GL-D comes in great.

Interesting -- I'm in Plano as well, and am able to receive both stations with a rooftop antenna from my location in central Plano. So I wonder why the difference?

So you are able to receive KHPK-LD on 3.1? Is the station reliable or does it suffer from signal problems?
The reason I ask is because the station is a low vhf digital lptv and I'm curious to hear how its handling.
 
stationi said:
So you are able to receive KHPK-LD on 3.1? Is the station reliable or does it suffer from signal problems?
The reason I ask is because the station is a low vhf digital lptv and I'm curious to hear how its handling.

I asked a friend who lives in Red Oak (about 10 mi. from the transmitter) to try 3.1. He had no luck with rabbit ears.

FWIW, I'm about 30 miles from the transmitter. I extended my rabbit ears to 8 feet, set them horizontal, and sat them on a box in the attic. Still nothing. So I'd say it's not particularly easy to receive.

I'll try once more when I get the Y5-2-6 I ordered (it's a cheap enough antenna to experiment with).
 
stationi said:
TexasTom said:
tested said:
For what it's worth.. I have a very good rooftop antenna pointed at Cedar Hill at my house in Plano. I cannot get KHPK-LD on 3.1.
K31GL-D comes in great.

Interesting -- I'm in Plano as well, and am able to receive both stations with a rooftop antenna from my location in central Plano. So I wonder why the difference?

So you are able to receive KHPK-LD on 3.1? Is the station reliable or does it suffer from signal problems?
The reason I ask is because the station is a low vhf digital lptv and I'm curious to hear how its handling.

It's not perfectly reliable, although it does seem to come in most of the time-- I've tuned by a couple times and seen indications that the signal was right on the line (ie, occasional freeze-ups), but the rest of the time it is just fine.

I'm using a Winegard outdoor antenna (can't remember the model number) that is about eight years old, mounted on the chimney of a two-story house, and am located over 30 miles from the transmitter site. I'm also running the signal through multiple splitters...and I'm not using any sort of amplifier with the antenna.

Frankly, when I heard it was on the air and tried tuning it in, I was really surprised to get it. From what I'd heard about digital on VHF-Low, it seemed unlikely that I'd be able to receive a 300 watt station from over 30 miles away -- but I gave it a shot, and have been surprised that it's as reliable as it is. I guess the lesson is that VHF-Low can work with an outdoor antenna, but is pretty flaky with any sort of indoor antenna.
 
The lesson is that if you have an outdoor antenna and line of sight it can be okay sometimes. Just wait for a thunderstorm. Or try leaving it on while using a vacuum cleaner or shredder or something. You'll quickly discover why people like me rail against low-VHF.

- Trip
 
Just for fun, I tried to get KHPK-LD again tonight and my TV actually decoded the PSIP (or most of it) from the station. It showed a 3.1 and 3.2. It did try to create a picture a few times, but I never really got a useable signal. I'll try again tomorrow and see what happens.
 
I noticed on Friday that K31GL-D 31.4 now has color bars on it with a note that says: Ch. Available Call x for information. (it gives a Dallas phone number) So what would you put on a subchannel of a low power digital station?
 
Well, I got my Y5-2-6 Sat. and stuck it up in the attic. Still no KHPK-LD 3. Rats.

It does bring in 2, 4, and 5 quite well - and 6 with some snow and interference from a nearby FM station. It's not bad on VHF-Hi either, and even pulls in the stronger UHF stations (!), but 3 is still buried in the noise floor.

I suppose I could try it on the roof, but in about a month the only thing left on VHF-Lo here will be KHPK-LD and KZFW (a Spanish religious station). Frankly, they aren't worth it.
 
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