KABL-960 Billing QUestion

[KMRichards]

Re: Down a familiar road

> First of all, no need for you to mother hen in on
> a dicussion like this, everybody is being nice.

If your definition of "nice" is haranguing David about his data, I don't know what your definition of "mean" is.

And your statement could be construed as "questioning a moderator's actions on the boards instead of by e-mail" which, as you know, the owners have a rule about. But you don't follow that rule on the San Diego board, so why would I expect you to follow it here?

I believe I see some ice thinning.

> Second, you saying it KM doesn't confirm anything.

*shrug*

I know I talked to people at Clear Channel who know the facts. Just because they don't want to jeopardize their jobs by having their names attached to actual billing numbers doesn't disprove anything.

> I have a lot of respect for David's knowledge,
> but he isn't 100 percent correct on everything,
> what about SFStatic, he's clearly has a different
> opinion.

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[collinsradio]

Re: Down a familiar road

haranguing David? No I actually was having a conversation
with SFStatic, when David posted a reply. I know a little
more than you might think about how revenue information
is reported. SF Static sounds like someone who works inside
the CC cluster as well. How is it that his words don't count?





> > First of all, no need for you to mother hen in on
> > a dicussion like this, everybody is being nice.
>
> If your definition of "nice" is haranguing David about his
> data, I don't know what your definition of "mean" is.
>
> And your statement could be construed as "questioning a
> moderator's actions on the boards instead of by e-mail"
> which, as you know, the owners have a rule about. But you
> don't follow that rule on the San Diego board, so why would
> I expect you to follow it here?
>
> I believe I see some ice thinning.
>
> > Second, you saying it KM doesn't confirm anything.
>
> *shrug*
>
> I know I talked to people at Clear Channel who know the
> facts. Just because they don't want to jeopardize their
> jobs by having their names attached to actual billing
> numbers doesn't disprove anything.
>
> > I have a lot of respect for David's knowledge,
> > but he isn't 100 percent correct on everything,
> > what about SFStatic, he's clearly has a different
> > opinion.
>
> Opinion does not equal fact.
>

 

[KMRichards]

Re: Down a familiar road

> SF Static sounds like someone who works inside
> the CC cluster as well. How is it that his words don't
> count?

I would guess that he may not be in a position to break out accurate numbers for the old KABL from the cluster total.

David has posted data from two recognized industry sources, which corroborate each other, and I have confirmed that information from a source at CC who I know to have the access to the data for KABL stand-alone (but who must remain anonymous to keep his job), then verified with the sales department what the rates had been for KABL airtime as a Standards station.

I offer that as a rebuttal to SFStatic's position ... a rebuttal that would not have been necessary if you weren't so hell bent on challenging everything David or I post.

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[RadioBuddha]

Re: Down a familiar road

Wrong - the 2.4 million figure is closer to the mark

The station met it's CC budget mark consistently and 35K a month was definitely not it. Perhaps 35K in national/agency business which it had little of considering the demo, but in paid programming and direct, it billed much more.

End of Story



> >
> > Thanks SFStatic. I appreciate the information. It's
> > interesting
> > how KM Richards seems to have such a stake in this
> > discussion.
> > You said it all.
>
> SFStatic was, I remind you, the one who said that CCU did
> not let its employees "report to BIA." Since nobody reports
> to BIA, that should give you an idea of his credibility.
>
> Duncan, does, in fact, report $2.1 million in revenue
> estimates for $2001. Keep in mind that Duncan did not get
> Miller Kaplans, and when there was no other data, I believe
> he and Mr. Anderton used a formula based on ratings and
> national comparable format power ratios.
>
> A station I managed was under-estimated by more than 75% of
> our real billing, based on such a formula. In general the
> calculations helped get a good idea of the market, but the
> BIA figures based on MK or the figures each of us in a local
> market got directly from MK would be the closest to reality.
>
>
> Obviously, I have access to MK as our stations report and
> receive reports. The BIA figures are accurate, and I believe
> KM has independently verified the figure MK reported (which
> is a cash billling, trade and bonus spot excluded, number.)
>