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KAREL WANTS TO KILL JOE THE PLUMBER

radiohater said:
This flamer should be fired and all of you frauds who support him know it. How bad is it that KGO can't even find a local gay host in San Francisco and has to ISDN in one from Long Beach?

Lame!

I've suggested elsewhere that Marilyn Pittman would be an excellent talkshow choice for KGO. Not only is she a lesbian, she's a funny standup comic and extremely bright. (She is co-host and producer of the GBLT show on KKGN on the weekend.) But, having encountered her consulting to KALW and KQED, I know that she does not suffer fools and would probably prefer to advise other folks on how to do talkshows (which is exactly what she does for a living) than to get involved in the ego-centric mess that is KGO.
 
Surferdude3 Why do you "hate" joe the plumber? Is it mereley because you disagree with his point of view?

The man was mereley making a point. I think Obama answered him well and it actually helped The Obama campign. What's to hate?

Why would Karel be so fired up about a plumber merely expressing his point of view? Sure we may not agree with the Joe The pulmuber but has it come down to the point that we are intolerant of anyone who does not agree with us? Come on.
 
This flamer should be fired and all of you frauds who support him know it. How bad is it that KGO can't even find a local gay host in San Francisco and has to ISDN in one from Long Beach?

Sounds like Radiohater hates more than just radio.
 
jhealy said:
Why would Karel be so fired up about a plumber merely expressing his point of view? Sure we may not agree with the Joe The pulmuber but has it come down to the point that we are intolerant of anyone who does not agree with us? Come on.

Karel is a performer. I honestly don't think he'd even have a point of view on anything unless he read it on the Huffington Post or CNN's website.

Karel is a performer. He was performing closed-circuit for his (apparently new) board op during the news break. Only it wasn't closed. The circuit was open to the world. I doubt that Karel (like most of us) cares much about Joe. Most of us care more about making the mortgage payments, keeping the job, etc.
 
The old rules still apply

Over 40 years ago my first PD told me: "Never say anything in this building that you wouldn't want to go out over the air...because eventually it will".

I was in radio less than six months when I saw a colleague get fired over a profane slip up.

I can't buy the excuses. If you are doing a remote, your mike is hot to the board. There is ONE SWITCH between your mike and the air and you can't see that switch. and you have no indication or clue as to the position of that switch.

Any person who has been in radio more than 10 minutes ought to be able to see the danger in that set up and ought to be able to control himself.

The profanity cannot be taken back. Professionals don't get second chances. We were all warned on Day One in this business.
 
Karel was on Gene Burns' KGO show tonight for a few minutes, basically saying "Goodbye" to
the KGO audience...

I'm sure that Karel will get job offers...we'll see...
--jay
 
"It happens."

I am surprised that in his blog, Karel blames his board op. "It was my responsibility," he says, "but not my fault."

Oh, yes it was, Karel.

We as "performers" take the responsibility every moment we are within "earshot" of a microphone - open or not. Ask the president you so dislike, and the one before that you vilified who, as a broadcaster himself said to an an open mike, "we begin bombing in five minutes."

"It happens."

Move on and good luck, though professionalism is more important than luck. You were not professional on many occasions and to your listeners in particular.

In addition to the "mistakes" that came out of your mouth with an open mike on Nov. 1, the lack of ego control, preparation and sincerely taking responsibility - considering the career you've had on KGO and KFI previously, you have no one to blame but yourself.

It's not the station who employs you, the union that protects you or the audience who owes you - it's the talent as a performer who supervises what is is, ultimately, who guides that ruthless tongue -- not the board op. He, too, got his -- he was fired as well.

Radio people may not like to follow the rules, but as a public trust, we do that as part of the responsibility we take in being part of this business.

We're not "cable" or "satellite" and if nothing else, we owe it to our professionalism - not our rancor against the FCC or a relatively green board op for costing a job.

We owe it to ourselves as performers for doing a piss poor job.

Period.

You played to yourself, not to your audience ... and you knew the rules. Either that, or you forgot the most basic: A microphone is as mysterious as a lover, or, as deathly as a viper. Respect that at all times. It's not the mic's fault. It's, ultimately, ours at all times and at all costs. You are owed nothing but to give the finest performance you can.

As KGO's Gene Burns and Trish Robbins have noted -- that's "Broadcasting 101."

Accept responsibility and move on. Saying a triple "F-Bomb" and a "G-D" before an open mic is far more than Joe Scarborough in a non-supervised or regulated environment.

And you know that.

Especially from a environment called "your home" at the expense of an employer known as Citadel Broadcasting Corporation.

Because Joe Scarborough got away with it with a single "F-Bomb" on non-regulated MSNBC "cable" is stupid, just as your outburst was on FCC regulated, commercial radio.

And after 6 years, you know better. We all do.
 
PS -

For a major market salary, instead of blaming a new board op for mistakes, buy a cheap mixer with a slide pot, a mike (standard or headset with a on/off switch...after all, it is from YOUR HOME,) or don't take the gig. No one asks you to be a martyr.
 
Don't want to be punitive-minded. Don't want to be judgmental. I enjoyed Karel on both KFI and KGO. Learned a lot -- including to make sure the mic is closed!!!! Karel's not getting fired would have been okay by me. Karel's getting fired -- is okay by me. It's their radio station. For some reason expletives are a greater concern to the FCC than is the sorry state of commercial broadcasting today. Where are our priorities?
 
Newsperson responds:

When I worked with Karel I wrote and anchored the news from Metro and he did his show from down south. So neither of the talent on the air during those shifts was ever at KGO.

At the bottom of each hour it was world and national news (not ABC) and it was produced locally and read live. There was always an introduction and banter and sometimes Karel would jump in on a story and either make comments or ask me questions about it. This all seemed normal since we had just rapped back and forth at the start of the newscast.

What surprised me the most (and threw off any timming) was the top of the hour local newscast that starts directly after the ABC news at :05. Karel would pop in out of nowhere so it always seemed that he had control of the mic.

The other alternative is that during a newscast Karel would have to ask the producer to "turn him on" and if that was how it worked the producer always acted quickly. From my perspective I always felt Karel's line was always hot and he was free to (rightfully so as it was his show) to jump on the air ar any time by pushing a mic on button.

In regard to the short letter and phone call to Karel it does sound like Citadel is protecting their asset and any past good times and profits with his show quickly became forgotten history.

Well your comments on how you may think this happened and what the real truth is? Also two more posts have occured while I have been typing so I will sign off and read them.

Newsperson
 
I just checked out Karel's website and his video commentary explaining his termination. He remarked that he was on Gene Burns' show (which I do listen each evening but missed this evening as I was following the changes regarding my Sirius radio) he said he was very emotional saying goodbye on air. Did anyone listen earlier and please add any comments other than what Karel has said. I will miss hearing him on 810 (In L.A. at night, of course) :-X Peace - JG
 
djj said:
Karel was on Gene Burns' KGO show tonight for a few minutes, basically saying "Goodbye" to
the KGO audience...

I'm sure that Karel will get job offers...we'll see...
--jay

I'm not so sure. Karel is damaged goods. What radio station wants to risk such a loose cannon who could cost them $300,000+ in fines? Remember that even CBS had a limit with Howard Stern, arguably the most successful morning man in history. A few hundred thousand here and there and pretty soon it adds up.
 
First, you must be very young if Karel's antics freak you. Second, it's not explosive. It's a stupid rant by someone who should know better.
[/quote davidkaye]

Gee, DavidKaye,if Karel's rant wasn't explosive, then why was he fired? Citadel seems to be of the mind that raging on with several "m-----f------" in a row before a live mic warrants immediate expulsion, just like I do. Trish Robbins and every other veteran (key word: veteran!) know the rules: no cursing on air. Just because our society has become desensitized to curse words--such as the one uttered repeatedly by Karel--doesn't make it acceptable to on-air standards (remember, the airwaves are public and every person who's on-air is supposed to be responsible for the content, just as oaktree eloquently states). We veterans may be old, but we never forgot the most important credo: when you're near a mic, always, always treat it as though it were live and don't say anything you'll regret (i.e., don't utter the George Carlin 7 dirty words). That's kindergarten knowledge. I guess Karel never "graduated" from kindergarten.

Karel wasn't a pro--ever. He road on the coattails of his partner into the biz and never bothered to learn on-air decorum. His obscenity-filled rant was disgusting and a disservice to real broadcasters everywhere--especially we veterans.
 
djj said:
I'm sure that Karel will get job offers...we'll see...
--jay
Maybe KTRB-860 will offer Karel a job? ;D
 
Having been in radio for 30+ years, I fail to see how anyone int he biz could be surprised at this. Walk into ANY station at ANY time and the off-air chatter is guaranteed to make any schoolgirl blush.

True, expletives should definitely NOT be allowed on-air, but its the Board-Op and NOT the talent responsible in this instance. Reprimand the talent, suspend the talent, but teminatiuon is way too extreme. We ALL make mistakes from time to time......

Do yo think there may be underlying reasons for the terminatiuon ?
 
1. If Perry Stone could find other work after his 1980s fiascos in
Bay Area radio, ANYONE can...
Karel will return...he had the r-a-t-i-n-g-s...

2. Steve Jordan? The ol' California Music Channel host and K-101
deejay (especially the short-lived "Time Machine" on KIQI in 1979-80)?
If so, nice to see ya on da boards!
--jay
 
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