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pberger
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I was surprised to find them on the air at 6:20 this morning.....usually they don't start until 8 or later. Also, they went to full power about 6:35. Seems like they all jump the gun a little.
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Closed circuit for Gumpdusky's engineer:
Fix your lamp timer, it's nine minutes fast.
This morning I heard Lumberyard 1440 all of a sudden get louder at 6:36--
obviously "lumbering up" from 52 watts to 5k. That's an Uncle Charlie
no-no until 6:45 this month (March).
On the flip side, this evening at 6:21 the signal was abruptly yanked
from the air, in the middle of a song, sans announcement (per usual),
nine minutes before the 6:30 March sign off time.
Fix your lamp timer, it's nine minutes fast.
This morning I heard Lumberyard 1440 all of a sudden get louder at 6:36--
obviously "lumbering up" from 52 watts to 5k. That's an Uncle Charlie
no-no until 6:45 this month (March).
On the flip side, this evening at 6:21 the signal was abruptly yanked
from the air, in the middle of a song, sans announcement (per usual),
nine minutes before the 6:30 March sign off time.
Folks, I realize this is a message board devoted to radio with those inside and outside of the business sharing their thoughts, but if we're going to critique a station for powering up NINE MINUTES early I think it s a real sign that there's something very wrong with some of youoldiesfan6479 said:
.KMGX said:...but if we're going to critique a station for powering up NINE MINUTES early I think it s a real sign that there's something very wrong with some of you
There are still a few rules left in FCC-land that are regularly enforced. One is tower
lighting, another is EAS gear, and another is, oh yeah, power/pattern violations.
Didn't KFNX finally get dinged for the late-night 50-gallon power indiscretions by the
headbangers a few years ago?
Powering up two minutes off the monthly mark and they'd probably overlook it, but nine?
I don't think so. It's a sloppy engineering practice.
Now if you'd be willing to pay Gumpdusky's fine for them... ;D
KAZG/KSLX/KYOT Vs. FCC Rules 'n' Regs (Was: KAZG On The Air...)
At the risk of there being something even more wrong with me
(and a hello to Magic 94)...;D
The lumberyard lamp timer is now ten minutes fast--KAZG dropped off
the table at 6:20pm yesterday and went up to the full five gallons at
6:35am today.
I heard a few legal IDs yesterday on KYOT as "KYOT Phoenix" and the
the 1:00pm legal today on KSLX as "KSLX Scottsdale(/Phoenix)." Both
stations' listings on the FCC FM Query show their calls also include the
"-FM" suffix. Assuming the FCC site is up-to-date and correct, it seems
then we have a few "illegal" legal IDs here. (The Arizona Socialist Republic
would of course want me to refer to them as "undocumented" legal IDs.)
At the risk of there being something even more wrong with me
(and a hello to Magic 94)...;D
The lumberyard lamp timer is now ten minutes fast--KAZG dropped off
the table at 6:20pm yesterday and went up to the full five gallons at
6:35am today.
I heard a few legal IDs yesterday on KYOT as "KYOT Phoenix" and the
the 1:00pm legal today on KSLX as "KSLX Scottsdale(/Phoenix)." Both
stations' listings on the FCC FM Query show their calls also include the
"-FM" suffix. Assuming the FCC site is up-to-date and correct, it seems
then we have a few "illegal" legal IDs here. (The Arizona Socialist Republic
would of course want me to refer to them as "undocumented" legal IDs.
)
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PaulBWalkerJr
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The FCC recently tried to recalculate and re-issue NEW Pre Sunrise/Post Sunset Authority times/pwoers but failed and rescinded them, telling stations to ignore them.
What they DID instruct stations to do is use their Pre Sunrise/Post Sunset and Sign On/Sign Off time for APril, for the rest of March.
Also, if KAZG has Pre Sunrise/post Sunset authority, you will NOT find it in the FCC Database, as long as KAZG-Am 1440's license, Sandusky has the paper to prove they have PSSA/SPRA authorization, that's all that counts. The FCC didn't keep those records.
I know all about this first hand, I operate a "Daytimer" with Pre Sunrise/Post Sunset authority.
What they DID instruct stations to do is use their Pre Sunrise/Post Sunset and Sign On/Sign Off time for APril, for the rest of March.
Also, if KAZG has Pre Sunrise/post Sunset authority, you will NOT find it in the FCC Database, as long as KAZG-Am 1440's license, Sandusky has the paper to prove they have PSSA/SPRA authorization, that's all that counts. The FCC didn't keep those records.
I know all about this first hand, I operate a "Daytimer" with Pre Sunrise/Post Sunset authority.
PaulBWalkerJr said:
KAZG is a Class D station, licensed for 24-hour operation - 5000 watts between sunrise and sunset and 52 watts between sunset and sunrise, both non-directional. Pre-sunrise and post-sunset authority are moot points in their case. They can run 24/7 anytime they want to with no further authoriziation necessary.
Of course, this being Gumpdusky we're talking about, maybe they don't even know they can. ;D
Link: FCC Data for KAZG
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PaulBWalkerJr
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My station is a Class D AM as well
1,000 Watts Non Directional, Daytime
27 Watts Non Directional, Nighttime
500 Watts Non Directional from 6am to Local Sunrise
Anywhere between 25 and 50 Watts from Local Sunset to 2 hours later
Should local sunrise occur before 6am, as it often does in late spring and summer(For KAZG and most every AM station), then you can obviously go up to full power before 6am.
KAZG 1440 DOES have a Pre Sunrise Authority of 490 to 500 Watts from January thru March and Sptember thru December, which allows them to sign on with 490 or 500 Watts at 6am which would explain why you can hear them better then 52 watts would propigate.
KAZG ALSO has a Post Sunset authority allowing them to run anywhere betwene 50 to 490 Watts from Local Sunset to 2 hours later. If you could have 490 Watts instead of 52, wouldnt you like that?
Oh, and in the FCC's eyes, anything that's licensed as a Class D(USUALLY under 250 watts) is considered a DAYTIMER. Most stations with less power then your hair dryer were true daytimers up until the late 80s or so when the FCC assigned this peanutwhistle power.
1,000 Watts Non Directional, Daytime
27 Watts Non Directional, Nighttime
500 Watts Non Directional from 6am to Local Sunrise
Anywhere between 25 and 50 Watts from Local Sunset to 2 hours later
Should local sunrise occur before 6am, as it often does in late spring and summer(For KAZG and most every AM station), then you can obviously go up to full power before 6am.
KAZG 1440 DOES have a Pre Sunrise Authority of 490 to 500 Watts from January thru March and Sptember thru December, which allows them to sign on with 490 or 500 Watts at 6am which would explain why you can hear them better then 52 watts would propigate.
KAZG ALSO has a Post Sunset authority allowing them to run anywhere betwene 50 to 490 Watts from Local Sunset to 2 hours later. If you could have 490 Watts instead of 52, wouldnt you like that?
Oh, and in the FCC's eyes, anything that's licensed as a Class D(USUALLY under 250 watts) is considered a DAYTIMER. Most stations with less power then your hair dryer were true daytimers up until the late 80s or so when the FCC assigned this peanutwhistle power.
Paul, can you provide a link or a source for your posting re KAZG
having pre-sunrise/post-sunset authority (with something other
than their mighty 52 watts)?
Otherwise I would tend to go with Keith's synopsis, which mirrors my
listening experience, that is, in the morning before monthly sunrise
time--or "local lamp timer time" in the case of KAZG --their signal
is buried so bad down in the 'Tuke that it can't be 490 or 500 watts,
it's the 52 big ones, and barely better than the Giant 580's 390-watt
DA-N trying to make it through the ether from Marana. During the past
week, at 6:36 (now 6:35), the signal has come up to what sounds to be
full strength, or 5000 watts--that is, on the days when KAZG is actually
on the air (on a couple of days they were either off or had the plate on
with nothing else). Then there's their daily abrupt sign-off at 6:21 (now
6:20) where the carrier--at daytime power--is simply cut. The specified
on/up and down/off times of 6:45am and 6:30pm for March are of course
compromised by the drifting lumberyard lamp timer.
Re your earlier post on the FCC attempting to recalculate PSA times--
I also read something on that and it was driven by the early start of DST
on March 11.
What I can't figure out is why it was a problem since all they needed to tell
stations that if you were doing something at 6:00am standard time from
March 1-10, do the same thing at 7:00am daylight time from March 11-31.
That is inferred in the monthly sunrise/sunset times in each station's info in
the FCC AM Query, so why should it be any more complex for PSA times?
And since Arizona does not observe DST this whole FCC bureaucratic snafu
would be a moot point for KAZG, if they do indeed have some PSA attached
to their license.
having pre-sunrise/post-sunset authority (with something other
than their mighty 52 watts)?
Otherwise I would tend to go with Keith's synopsis, which mirrors my
listening experience, that is, in the morning before monthly sunrise
time--or "local lamp timer time" in the case of KAZG
--their signalis buried so bad down in the 'Tuke that it can't be 490 or 500 watts,
it's the 52 big ones, and barely better than the Giant 580's 390-watt
DA-N trying to make it through the ether from Marana. During the past
week, at 6:36 (now 6:35), the signal has come up to what sounds to be
full strength, or 5000 watts--that is, on the days when KAZG is actually
on the air (on a couple of days they were either off or had the plate on
with nothing else). Then there's their daily abrupt sign-off at 6:21 (now
6:20) where the carrier--at daytime power--is simply cut. The specified
on/up and down/off times of 6:45am and 6:30pm for March are of course
compromised by the drifting lumberyard lamp timer.
Re your earlier post on the FCC attempting to recalculate PSA times--
I also read something on that and it was driven by the early start of DST
on March 11.
What I can't figure out is why it was a problem since all they needed to tell
stations that if you were doing something at 6:00am standard time from
March 1-10, do the same thing at 7:00am daylight time from March 11-31.
That is inferred in the monthly sunrise/sunset times in each station's info in
the FCC AM Query, so why should it be any more complex for PSA times?
And since Arizona does not observe DST this whole FCC bureaucratic snafu
would be a moot point for KAZG, if they do indeed have some PSA attached
to their license.
oldiesfan6479 said:Paul, can you provide a link or a source for your posting re KAZG having pre-sunrise/post-sunset authority (with something other
than their mighty 52 watts)?
Otherwise I would tend to go with Keith's synopsis, which mirrors my listening experience, that is, in the morning before monthly sunrise time--or "local lamp timer time" in the case of KAZG
My morning commute is along 48th St. from Ray to University at about 6:30 AM. They're just barely audible south of Baseline. They're not even that strong at work (near AZ 143 & University) on my car radio at that time, at approximately 2 miles west and 4 miles south of the lumberyard. If they're running 500 watts before sunrise, then they're running it into a dummy-load.
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PaulBWalkerJr
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Click the following link:
http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/corrp_list.pl?Facility_id=11272
"Click To View PSRA" will load a PDF File showing what times and powers that they can operate at from 6am on...
"Click To View PSSA" will load a PDF File showing what times and powers that they can operate from Local Sunrise for 2 hours
http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/corrp_list.pl?Facility_id=11272
"Click To View PSRA" will load a PDF File showing what times and powers that they can operate at from 6am on...
"Click To View PSSA" will load a PDF File showing what times and powers that they can operate from Local Sunrise for 2 hours
PaulBWalkerJr said:
This sheds a whole new--and totally confusing--light on Lumberyard 1440.
As both Keith I mentioned previously, there's no way KAZG is using 490-500 watts
pre-sunrise...and for post-sunset, assuming they would be on the air at that time--
which they hardly ever are--why would they want to use any PSSA of less than
the mighty 52 watts allowed by their nighttime authorization?
Their transmitter may simply be unable to operate at power settings other than their
licensed 5000/52. Perhaps an older rig? Along with the Ponderosa Lumber lamp timer.;D
Or, since the data in the link was published only recently (Feb. 28), maybe it's still
sitting in the KSLX/KAZG mail room, or they decided just to keep using the much simpler
5000/52 combo.
PaulBWalkerJr said:
Paul, I'm not doubting your word - especially now that you've linked to the FCC info - but we're here and listen in the morning, and we know what they've been doing for at least the 13 years I've been in the valley. They've been running 52 watts from 6 AM until local sunrise (6:45 currently, IIRC - I'm already at work by then so I don't hear the power increase). At least through Friday morning.
This morning, however, they sounded much stronger, more like 500 watts than 52. Maybe the letter finally got through the Gumpdusky mailroom and they started using their PSRA power.
Or, more likely, this explains the periodic transmitter outages of the last couple of weeks.. Maybe they were fixing the transmitter so that it can operate at that power level. Of course, they have to buy a new lamp timer so that it can switch multiple power levels as well as turn the transmitter off. ;D
KeithE4 said:
Monday evening: music abruptly ended (in mid-song of course) at 6:16 but the
carrier stayed on until 6:20 when it was cut (no announcement of course).
Tuesday morning: as early as 6:15 there was a weak carrier on which was getting
stepped on by various co-channel interference. Most likely the 52 watts version.
This was carrier only--no program material or announcements--which I noted until
at least 6:40, however at 6:35 the KAZG carrier suddenly "got stronger" and the
co-channel noise disappeared. Most likely the "ten minutes too early lamp timer"
powering up to 5000 watts.
Tuesday evening: carrier with music-in-progress cut at 6:20...wait, it was actually
6:19:55, atomically-speaking. Not that we could ever expect the Lumberyard to
install a timer referenced to (sing it, jingle singers) "all time, all the time...
double-u double-u veeeeee, Fort Collins/Denver!" ;D
In summary...
BAD: "Power up ten minutes sooner on KAZG Scottsdale"
GOOD: "News five minutes sooner on WABC New York"
In summary...
BAD: "Power up ten minutes sooner on KAZG Scottsdale"
GOOD: "News five minutes sooner on WABC New York"
BETTER: "Another hour of Bad Programming POW-POW-POWER on Lumberyard Radio"
The Nurse and I had the bad mistake of catching The East Valley Network yesterday afternnon on 14~Forty. Wassup with all those non-oldies used between talk segments? Doesn't Scott Anderson know the AZG in KAZG stands for Arizona Gold?
BAD: "Power up ten minutes sooner on KAZG Scottsdale"
GOOD: "News five minutes sooner on WABC New York"
BETTER: "Another hour of Bad Programming POW-POW-POWER on Lumberyard Radio"
The Nurse and I had the bad mistake of catching The East Valley Network yesterday afternnon on 14~Forty. Wassup with all those non-oldies used between talk segments? Doesn't Scott Anderson know the AZG in KAZG stands for Arizona Gold?
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thirdtickket
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What is the fascination with KAZG....? A number of posters here apparently have lots of time on their hands if all they can talk about is a small daytime AM station thats NOT a major player in this radio market ! Who cares ? I guess a minority of you must care ? A minority !
The only thing AZ GOLD is good for is an alternative to KOOL FM once and awhile....all run off a hard drive, no jocks....just mainly music.......what the heck is the BIG DEAL ? There are other stations in this market....and I don't mean the "beating a dead horse" KTAR -vs- KFYI either, THATS OLD TOO !
Geezzz you guys, get a life !
The only thing AZ GOLD is good for is an alternative to KOOL FM once and awhile....all run off a hard drive, no jocks....just mainly music.......what the heck is the BIG DEAL ? There are other stations in this market....and I don't mean the "beating a dead horse" KTAR -vs- KFYI either, THATS OLD TOO !
Geezzz you guys, get a life !
thirdtickket said:
Name an AM station other than those located on 550 and 620 that are major players in the Phoenix market. Maybe XTRA 910 & KOY 1230 but that's about it. Everyone else on the AM dial is pretty much a non-factor. Besides, like the Payson-licensed FMers, there are probably more people on this board even remotely interested in KAZG than there are real listeners to any of them.
You know, this is the Phoenix board for Radio-info.com. We talk about Phoenix radio, all the way from the relevent to the ridiculous.
There are? I could have sworn KAZG was #1 in the market. ;D
Please feel free to bring up another subject in another thread. Everyone's welcome to post here. But this thread is about KAZG.
Someone who's made the majority of his very few R-I posts on the Tucson board is telling us to get a life?!?!? ;D
I don't mean to be sarcastic, but if you don't give a crap about a particular subject, don't read it. Post something you are interested in and maybe we'll respond.
Breaking News From The Lumberyard! (Was: Re: KAZG On The Air...)
My good radio buds Magic 94 and DJtightboardgoodnewsproductionthirdphone
should be pleased to know that this thread may soon be powering down--
no, not just to 52 watts, but all the way into the AM static... ;D
The lumberyard lamp timer appears to have been fixed!
This (Wednesday) evening KAZG stayed on until 6:30, cutting their carrier--
in mid-song of course--at 6:30:35pm. Hey, only thirty-five seconds off the
atomic mark, why that's close enough for government work! FCC, that is.
The follow-up test will be Thursday morning, to see at what time they go up
to five gallons. Y'all listen now, hear? Especially those of you "writing it down."
As Keith inferred, we want to make Lumberyard 1440 numero uno!
My good radio buds Magic 94 and DJtightboardgoodnewsproductionthirdphone
should be pleased to know that this thread may soon be powering down--
no, not just to 52 watts, but all the way into the AM static... ;D
The lumberyard lamp timer appears to have been fixed!
This (Wednesday) evening KAZG stayed on until 6:30, cutting their carrier--
in mid-song of course--at 6:30:35pm. Hey, only thirty-five seconds off the
atomic mark, why that's close enough for government work! FCC, that is.
The follow-up test will be Thursday morning, to see at what time they go up
to five gallons. Y'all listen now, hear? Especially those of you "writing it down."
As Keith inferred, we want to make Lumberyard 1440 numero uno!
Geezzz you guys, get a life !
And get out of radio consulting? No way!
KAZG is a daytimer only because Gumpdusky doesn't want to pay SRP an extra $300 a month to run it at night with 52 watts. As far as the format goes, nothing unique in their selection of oldies as the station has NEVER shown this decade in R-B-Tron. Now the geniuses of Gumpdusky have discovered it's revenue potential by selling airtime: Colonblow in the morning; the Nancy Pelosi Fan Club mid-days; East Valley Network in afternoons; and some ASU basketball games. There are a lot more buyers for that airtime than are currently on the air. Bring in management that wants to make money and 14~Forty will be on the air 24/7. But not with oldies.
Nurse Jeff and I aren't obsessed...just possessed by Lumberyard Radio!
The Mighty 14~Forty...with 52 watts that sound like 52 watts!
And get out of radio consulting? No way!
KAZG is a daytimer only because Gumpdusky doesn't want to pay SRP an extra $300 a month to run it at night with 52 watts. As far as the format goes, nothing unique in their selection of oldies as the station has NEVER shown this decade in R-B-Tron. Now the geniuses of Gumpdusky have discovered it's revenue potential by selling airtime: Colonblow in the morning; the Nancy Pelosi Fan Club mid-days; East Valley Network in afternoons; and some ASU basketball games. There are a lot more buyers for that airtime than are currently on the air. Bring in management that wants to make money and 14~Forty will be on the air 24/7. But not with oldies.
Nurse Jeff and I aren't obsessed...just possessed by Lumberyard Radio!
The Mighty 14~Forty...with 52 watts that sound like 52 watts!
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