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'KB goes libtalk

Re: OA: Right again

> 630-7 Free Speech Radio News (Probably)
> 7-11 Randi Rhodes (Probably)
> 11-12 Flashpoint (Probably)

If your hunches are correct, this is a lineup for disaster, and it proves the WHLD LMA operators are mostly in this for the ideology.

I can't speak to the quality of their PMD local show, but pushing Randi well into darkness half the year on that signal is not a good idea if you want to gain an actual audience. Their only hope would be that Stephanie Miller fans have already heard her in middays on WWKB, and would turn to Randi instead. (I also don't know how long 1520 will do the Steph replay at night.)

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Re: Nobody Listens to Libtalk... Except 2 Stations Fight For It

> Am I forgetting something? WBUF's brief flirtation with hot
> talk ended months ago with a flip to Jack, and Don and Mike,
> IIRC, are cleared on CC's "hot talk" (in reality, a sports
> station) AM.

You're a bit mixed up here, my friend. :D

You're right about CBS not having "Free FM" in the Buffalo market, with former talk WBUF/92.9 now Jack-ing. But Don & Mike are no longer cleared there...you're thinking of Rochester, where they air on CC's sports talk WHTK/1280. A long-time clearance for them.

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Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
 
Yes, WHLD's LMA Is Ideological

> Yeah, and some people on the Buffalo board accused WHLD of
> being in bed with the far left elements only. Without
> Malloy and Majority Report, that falls apart. From what I
> can tell, WHLD is a brokered operation who is taking a
> chance on two AAR shows. I don't know what they do on
> weekends.

I may be one of those people you talk about, as I've called WHLD's LMA operation "activist/labor radio". It is. My goodness, take a look at the people involved! I'm surprised the conservative critics haven't called it "Socialist Workers' Radio". (Maybe Mr. Maloney already has, and I haven't seen it.)

It's ideologically based. The groups and people behind it have been producing "community oriented public affairs" shows that focus on left-leaning takes on social issues...many of them already airing on WHLD's brokered schedule.

It's also hard NOT to call a group that brokers time to put Pacifica's "Democracy Now" on a commercial AM radio station not "ideologically based". Heck, as far as I know, they (LMA group) can't sell commercial time on that show, as it's not a commercial show!

Meanwhile, over at Entercom, WWKB is airing commercial liberal talk radio shows to try to get ratings and revenue. That seems almost secondary for the Niagara Independent Media folks. Not Citadel...Citadel's just taking their checks.

> I also still don't understand this thing about
> bumping Randi to post-drive. If this woman continues to
> beat Hannity in some markets and gains clout, she should
> achieve Big Ed status and start clamping down on all the
> time shifting on the east coast.

I obviously prefer Randi to Big Ed, though I don't listen to either much anymore. And I do agree, I can't see bumping her too far out of afternoon drive... but again, this local PM drive show seems more "preaching to the choir" then trying to attract new listeners.

> As far as Pacifica goes, I still can't figure that out.
> They are non-commercial, so I wonder who is paying for this.
> Pacifica programs are strictly for the "meat is murder"
> crowd and is too fringy left even for me, but they seem to
> draw very young activist audiences so maybe that works, I
> don't know.

See above. Pacifica's content is WAY out of place on ANY commercial AM station trying to run talk that isn't "in-house crowd pleasing".

> You're buying into the unconfirmed Unequalizer reports about
> that. Miller was laughing her ass off over that entire
> story, which she said was so outrageously nonsensical that
> she's amazed anyone would have accepted it as fact. No
> producer anywhere is paid the amount Brian claims Franken's
> staff is getting. Not even close.

I heard that segment, and laughed along with Steph (and producer Chris LaVoie, who is certainly making a fraction of that :D). But...Franken's "entourage" is well known. He's got a staff that'd make Saturday Night Live's staff look small. Randi Rhodes complained about it on her show from day one...she is a traditional radio person, and can't understand why Al needs so many people.

I don't know if Franken's producer is getting over a half-million a year... I don't know where Brian gets his info. But he's certainly lapping Randi's producer (whoever that is now, I lost track after Tim Allan Walker left) and Mr. LaVoie in the salary department...I'd almost guarantee that.

> It suddenly dawns on me Hartmann might be great as an early
> morning alternative to Press' show. He doesn't have enough
> oomph for midday, but perhaps his show would work a-la NPR's
> Morning Edition first thing in the morning. It would have
> to be time-shifted though.

Maybe Hartmann would eventually shift his syndication to morning drive on AAR? Would he get up at 3 AM PT to do a 3 hour national show before his KPOJ show?

I get the idea the only reason that hasn't happened is that A) AAR likes Rachel Maddow, and she's becoming the next breakout personality for them, and B) they're apparently still stuck with Mark Riley from the WLIB LMA deal.

> I'm still gravitating to the theory that Randi would become
> the AAR star in a post-Franken world. I had forgotten about
> the self-syndicating arm of AAR (I suspect I'm not alone),
> so thanks for reminding me.

I think that'd happen, too. But Hartmann could be Star B. It'll be tough for him to claim that mantle, because he doesn't have the national "name" that Franken has/had pre-AAR.

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Re: The question is can the market support two?

Make you a deal..I'll spell out "liberal talk" if you spell out "right wing", or preferably "conservative talk".
 
Re: OA: Right again

When people on the left demand reinstatement of a fairness doctrine, this is the kind of programming they have in mind. Let's "make" them listen to this programming.
 
I'd rather hear the oldies.

> Suprised I saw this on the oldies board before the News/talk
> board, but apparently WWKB-1520 in Buffalo has wswitched to
> liberal talk.
>
 
Couldn't really hear KB here..would still like oldies on 1530-Cincy, but it's not to be. There's still the four hours Saturday nights on WABC, though.
 
Re: Nobody Listens to Libtalk... Except 2 Stations Fight For It

Political talk in general is floundering, a fact apparent to everyone, it seems, except talk programmers...


> > Meanwhile, Entercom's WWKB 1520 does a surprise flip this
> > afternoon, calling itself "Buffalo's Left Channel. Here's
>
> > the line-up
> > 6 am to 9 am Bill Press
> > 9 am to 12 pm Stephanie Miller
> > 12 pm to 3 pm Leslie Marshall (local)
> > 3 pm to 7 pm Ed Schultz (hour one repeated)
> > 7 pm to 10 pm Stephanie Miller (repeat)
>
> More moaning and groaning in the Buffalo-Rochester board in
> the last week about how awful AAR shows are from the *usual
> suspects* and then wham, another 50kw blowtorch flips to
> libtalk, with TWO libtalk stations in the Buffalo market
> now. It's just more evidence of how much you can rely on
> people with an axe to grind about liberal talk when you
> compare it to actual reality.
>
> Unfortunately for WWKB, they waited too long for AAR and
> WHLD moved in on that first. That leaves them stuck with
> Bill Press, who is virtually unlistenable and no Franken and
> Rhodes. But they get the fabulous Stephanie, as well as a
> nice new local show, followed by four hours of Schultz
> (blah). Entercom loves WOR's Lionel - it airs here in
> Rochester as well, and he's fun enough for late evening.
>
> > Right now, Thom Hartmann appears to be odd man out.
>
> Thats because he is still an unknown. Is he
> self-syndicating? That could be a major reason right there.
> Maybe he should try and angle his way in on weekends.
> That's how Entercom was introduced to Stephanie Miller and
> now she is running weekdays.
>
> > Now we have a real PT horse race in a large market. This
> > could be good for the progressive talk format, but
> possibly
> > bad news for AAR. All this just in time for the winter
> > Arbitron diary period. Let the games begin.
>
> Chances are neither station will promote the new format
> (Entercom spends zippo here in Rochester on WROC) so I'll
> bet nobody even notices either station until word of mouth
> gets around.
>
> > Buffalo is a strong market for talk radio but has not been
>
> > fertile soil for syndicated hosts. Dominant talker WBEN
> > (also Entercom) is generally into a double digit 12+ AQH
> > (currently it hovers just below). Right now, the only
> > national show cleared on WBEN is Rush. The rest are
> local,
> > and the local shows tend not to be driven by political
> > ideology. (A rim-shot AM talker with a fractional number
> > takes Hannity, O'Reilly and Boortz.) The market also has
> > NPR/APM/PRI news and information full time on AM and a CBS
>
> > Free FM talker.
>
> Buffalo also has great reception of stations in Toronto,
> including the CBC, so there are LOTS of choices.
>
 
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