• Get involved.
    We want your input!
    Apply for Membership and join the conversations about everything related to broadcasting.

    After we receive your registration, a moderator will review it. After your registration is approved, you will be permitted to post.
    If you use a disposable or false email address, your registration will be rejected.

    After your membership is approved, please take a minute to tell us a little bit about yourself.
    https://www.radiodiscussions.com/forums/introduce-yourself.1088/

    Thanks in advance and have fun!
    RadioDiscussions Administrators

KBAK 29 CBS and KBFX 58 FOX Bakersfield

K

kenrayc

Guest
For some reason I can't get these stations in Fresno anymore in the last 7 days, Ive always received them for over a year, did the FCC restrict their power because of KPGE 47 CBS and KMPH 26 FOX, with the NFL coming up they always ran different games than the Fresno stations. There is noting wrong with my antenna being that KGET 17 NBCand KUVI 45 is working and they usually don't normally work, with their low Transmitter site.
KERO 23 ABC Always works.
 
You better pray KBAK keeps KBFX as a subchannel because as soon as they light up the new transmitter they are building out for KBFX as a standalone (RF-26) you will no longer get a whisper from Bakersfield's FOX ever again.
 
Robnoxious, why's that?

- Trip
 
It's less than a 10 dB difference in power, and KBFX-CD will be higher on the tower (on the old KBAK analog antenna). I fail to see how that would result in "no longer get[ting] a whisper [...] ever again."

- Trip
 
Bakersfield's local signals barely reach the COL they serve as it is let alone make it to the far reaches of Fresno. Not to mention Pappas (owner of KMPH) is still extremely butthurt having lost the Bakersfield FOX market to Fisher and might have an axe to grind to silence KBFX at least in his territory.
 
tripinva said:
It's less than a 10 dB difference in power, and KBFX-CD will be higher on the tower (on the old KBAK analog antenna). I fail to see how that would result in "no longer get[ting] a whisper [...] ever again."

- Trip
Click to expand...

Thats probably why it's not coming in right now, They are probably on temporary low power while they install the new KBFX transmitter. Will it be as powerful as it was as KBAKs subchannel 58.2?
 
Robnoxious said:
Bakersfield's local signals barely reach the COL they serve as it is let alone make it to the far reaches of Fresno. Not to mention Pappas (owner of KMPH) is still extremely butthurt having lost the Bakersfield FOX market to Fisher and might have an axe to grind to silence KBFX at least in his territory.
Click to expand...


KBFX, which is on KBAKs subchannel on r-f 33(58.2) on Mt Brekenridge, not like the old low power analog 58 on Mt Atalayd.
Pappas no longer owns KMPH and KFRE they were sold in bankruptcy along with 12 other TV Stations. KBAK, KERO, and KBFX are receivable with a roof top Antenna in Fresno, well I actually live in Clovis.
 
Hey, guys. My name is Pete Capra. I am the Ops manager at KBAK/KBFX. I enjoy the conspiracy theories but it is much simpler than all that. About a month ago, Gary Cocoloa flash cut his analog ch. 34 transmitter to digital. Since then I have receved several phone calls from viewers complaining of loss of signal. All the calls have come from North of Bakersfield viewers. Fresno, Tulare, Tipton, Delano...Anyway, Gary's D34 is slightly blocking our digital 33 (which is the true frequency of KBAK.)
The fix? Re-adjusting your indoor or outdoor antenna. I have had 3 or 4 fixed right on the spot. The other viewers I told to call me back if they still had problems. So far no returning callers.
So please try and adjusting. Let me know if it fixes your problem.
There is no turf war as speculated:)
 
Pete Capra said:
Hey, guys. My name is Pete Capra. I am the Ops manager at KBAK/KBFX. I enjoy the conspiracy theories but it is much simpler than all that. About a month ago, Gary Cocoloa flash cut his analog ch. 34 transmitter to digital. Since then I have receved several phone calls from viewers complaining of loss of signal. All the calls have come from North of Bakersfield viewers. Fresno, Tulare, Tipton, Delano...Anyway, Gary's D34 is slightly blocking our digital 33 (which is the true frequency of KBAK.)
The fix? Re-adjusting your indoor or outdoor antenna. I have had 3 or 4 fixed right on the spot. The other viewers I told to call me back if they still had problems. So far no returning callers.
So please try and adjusting. Let me know if it fixes your problem.
There is no turf war as speculated:)
Click to expand...


I have 2 different antennas one on the main house and one on a room behind my carport, I tried adjusting both, no luck, Actually Gary Cocoloa has channel 32 and channel 34 is CBS 47 KGPE, being CBS could have KGPE increased their power or did something in the signal such as made it directional it to (block) KBAK to protect their CBS audience. As previous mentioned I'm in Clovis.
 
lLatest signals I checked out on the meter shows Cacolas DTV 32 to only 40 percent( I nulled the signal the best I can), they actually converted months ago (KJEO 32) , originally Analog KSDI low power 33 did block KBAK that was over a year ago, when that went digital on DTV 43 and 44, KBAK came in, but there is something else blocking KBAK now. I will contact KBAK directly tomorrow.
TRIP your rabbitears.com site even reflect that change also, this is unusual. there is something up.
 
Whether KGPE increased their power or not would have no bearing on our signal. Transmitters & Antennas do not decipher affiliations. One viewer had to go around different areas in her house to find the "sweet spot". I know this is a pain in the butt but I don't know of anything else that can be done. He has the right to broadcast at that frequency and he has not affected our main COL
And yes I am positive that this signal block is from D-34. The phone calls occurred just days after his transition. Plus you can see on a scope his signal butted right up against ours.
 
kenrayc:

Channel 34 is KGPE in Fresno, but is also KCBT-LD in Bakersfield. That is the station Mr Capra is referring to.

- Trip
 
tripinva said:
kenrayc:

Channel 34 is KGPE in Fresno, but is also KCBT-LD in Bakersfield. That is the station Mr Capra is referring to.

- Trip
Click to expand...
So the Station is actually crossing into channel 33, Seems The FCC would have a problem with that also being close to KGPE.
 
Mr Capra:

I'm wondering if there's a chance that KCBT-LD is actually interfering with your signal on a higher level than you think. This is something you might want to run past your transmitter engineer(s). I worked at a station with a Harris Sigma transmitter with RTAC exciters, and we had a station that was a few hundred feet away on a lower-adjacent channel. We had a problem with that station basically coming back down through the antenna and feed line and getting all the way back into the exciter, thus causing the RTAC to try its hardest to compensate for that signal, which in turn drove down the SNR. On the spectrum analyzer, it manifested itself as a nasty-looking shoulder on the top end of our signal. (I assume it was present at the bottom end as well, but was being covered up by the aforementioned adjacent channel.) Is it possible that something like this is happening with your own signal and KCBT-LD?

- Trip
 
tripinva said:
Mr Capra:

I'm wondering if there's a chance that KCBT-LD is actually interfering with your signal on a higher level than you think. This is something you might want to run past your transmitter engineer(s). I worked at a station with a Harris Sigma transmitter with RTAC exciters, and we had a station that was a few hundred feet away on a lower-adjacent channel. We had a problem with that station basically coming back down through the antenna and feed line and getting all the way back into the exciter, thus causing the RTAC to try its hardest to compensate for that signal, which in turn drove down the SNR. On the spectrum analyzer, it manifested itself as a nasty-looking shoulder on the top end of our signal. (I assume it was present at the bottom end as well, but was being covered up by the aforementioned adjacent channel.) Is it possible that something like this is happening with your own signal and KCBT-LD?

- Trip
Click to expand...


Mr. Capra, I agree with Trip, Why let another station corrupt your signal, I would point it out to the FCC, Of course here in Fresno I have KGPE for CBS, but what about the areas south-east like Palmdale, Barstow, Hinkley and Lancaster that can't receive LA stations, of course there is cable and satellite. Like Trip said, your engineers should get together with the KCBT engineers and resolve this problem. Even though I live in Fresno (Clovis)and I grew up with KBAK, Mt Brekenridge is one of the best transmitting sites on the west coast. during the analog to digital switch I lost KBAK for a little while because Gary Cacoloa had a LP analog on ch33 from Meadow Lakes. that went away, and KBAK was back. I tried everything today with my antennas (I have 3) and I get nothing.
 
kenrayc:

Don't misread my message. In the case of the station I worked at, the adjacent channel was operating completely legally and within normal parameters and it was our own gear that had the issue. In that case, there's nothing to tell the FCC and there's nothing for the adjacent channel to do.

- Trip
 
This will be my last post on this subject, I checked out the signal strength of all Bakersfield stations on both TVs (separate Antennas on different poles 50 feet apart) even though KGET D-25 and KUVI D-45 are not coming in right now only during TROPO conditions they are showing a signal right now of 25 percent, KERO D-10 is 40 percent and is receivable, D-33 KBAK shows 0 percent, completely blocked, no signal at all, I'm looking forward to KBFX moving to D-29 that might come in, BTW when will that happen?
Last year it was nice to have a wider choice of NFL games. KBAK I will miss you.
 
As much as I would like to contact the FCC regarding the interference of our signal, you must realize that all the signal losses have come from viewers outside of our DMA. I don't like losing viewers of any sort but legally there isn't anything we can do.
 
I just did a scan and Analog 33 in Fresno is back on the air, broadcasting from Bear Mt, just north of Visalia, It's Gary Cocola's original station thats blocked KBAK in the past and blocking it now, the station only is running a test pattern of color bars with a phone #, his digital stations ID as channel 33, and 43 but uses 43 and 44 digitally. Why is this analog station on again and when will the FCC shut down LP analog signals.
 
Status
This thread has been closed due to inactivity. You can create a new thread to discuss this topic.


Back
Top Bottom