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KCBH-FM transmitter site

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Anyone know if the transmitter site shown in The Galaxy Being, first episode of the original The Outer Limits series, is the former KCBH (98.7 FM) x-mitter site at 9000 Alto Cedro Drive on Briarcrest? I worked at KCBH in parts of 1957 and 1959.

Dave Mac Neill
 
I don't remember the format but I think it's the station a friend of mine used to laugh at because they had a DJ named Roger and he would always say "Roger with the show on the go" and my friend thought that sounded so corny.
 
t.j. said:
Hey Jon:

Would you remember the format of KCBH 98.7 in 1968? Would you also know when did KCBH change calls to KJOI?

Thanks

T.J.
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I seem to remember they were classical in the early 1960s
 
Yes, They were classical in 1968 except Top 40 from 2 to 6pm.! My friend Roger Martin did the top 40 show. The board was "interesting" as it was a mono one converted to stereo simply by using 2 pots for every audio source including the turntables.
 
JON BRUCE said:
Yes, They were classical in 1968 except Top 40 from 2 to 6pm.! My friend Roger Martin did the top 40 show. The board was "interesting" as it was a mono one converted to stereo simply by using 2 pots for every audio source including the turntables.
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Before the approval of FM stereo an AM-FM combo in my home town used a similar arrangement with their Gatesway Console using the Audition channel for FM and the Program for AM. They had separate tone arms for stereo on two of the three turntables. There were two EV-666s strapped together with tape on the boom for the DJ. By the time the FCC gave the go ahead and they had a stereo transmitter they had upgraded to a stereo board in master control. The old Gatesway got put into the production room.

The stereocasts only were done on Saturday and Sunday afternoons with the AM-FM method. I seem to remember ABC TV doing a similar gimmick for the Lawrence Welk show a few times with one channel on the TV audio and the second on a local AM station (WIZE) which was on the ABC radio network. It probably wasn't done too much as the audio on TV would have to be mixed somewhat to keep viewers from missing the second channel too much if they chose not to set up a radio to watch the show.

Stereo recordings were new and in those days the artificial separation used then was obnoxious if you listened with head phones. Maybe the Welk experiment just let the blending of the two sides that would have been normal in the TV studio be as it was. Stereo TV audion was many more years away back then.
 
Around 1971 or thereabouts when I was living in Arizona, I remember visiting LA one weekend and stumbling onto KCBH FM 98.7 (from the "City of Beverly Hills" they repeatedly emphasized). This was a Saturday night and they were playing album cuts...Van Morrison, etc. I have no idea if this was a "specialty" show or not but I remember the presentation as sounding VERY serious -- close to what you might expect a classical-music radio announcer to sound like ("personality" would be seriously over-stating it).

But what I found most memorable about this station...probably the only reason I even remember anything about it to this day: every time they back-announced a song, they would also include the record label followed by the catalogue number of whatever album it came from! (Gee I wonder why that particular style of DJ'ing never caught on elsewhere?)
 
Before he went to KMPC in 1959, Roger Carroll was at KABC. And from 1958 until his departure for KMPC, he did a stereo show. One channel of music on KABC-AM, one on KABC-FM, with instructions to the listeners to put the two recievers about six feet apart and sit in the middle six feet away. Tape exists and it sounds quite good (apparently, one of the KABC engineers fed both stations into separate channels of a stereo tape recorder to create the aircheck).
 
JON BRUCE said:
I remember those Welk broadcasts. I listened to them in stereo in the 1950's in LA on 790 KABC and KABC-TV ch.7.
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Is this when ABC aired Welk to El Lay and the left coast (Saturdays) live
at 6 PT, rather than in pattern at 9? This since it was done live for ET/CT
at 9/8, and they didn't want to stick the coast with (earlier on) a kinnie or
(later on) tape delay which was still kind of a "work in progress."

As for the AM/TV stereo hookup, did you notice any degradation to the audio
on the radio side vs. TV? Since it was a local origination, channel 7 would
have passed full 15 kHz FM sound, while KABC 790 would have been limited
to whatever the AM rig could pass--8, maybe 10 kHz at best--less the
frequency response from one's AM radio.
 
oldiesfan6479 said:
JON BRUCE said:
I remember those Welk broadcasts. I listened to them in stereo in the 1950's in LA on 790 KABC and KABC-TV ch.7.
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Is this when ABC aired Welk to El Lay and the left coast (Saturdays) live
at 6 PT, rather than in pattern at 9? This since it was done live for ET/CT
at 9/8, and they didn't want to stick the coast with (earlier on) a kinnie or
(later on) tape delay which was still kind of a "work in progress."

As for the AM/TV stereo hookup, did you notice any degradation to the audio
on the radio side vs. TV? Since it was a local origination, channel 7 would
have passed full 15 kHz FM sound, while KABC 790 would have been limited
to whatever the AM rig could pass--8, maybe 10 kHz at best--less the
frequency response from one's AM radio.
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As I recall it sounded ok on the radio side, in Ohio, but in those days the TV audio wasn't the best. FM radio was still kind of a novelty and the hi-fi craze was just catching hold so there wasn't really a point of reference. Also at my house, we still had one of those big console radios from the 40's so the better sound was likely the radio side. Even the biggest TVs had only a 4" or 6" speaker either in the side of the cabinet or under the screen at the front so they sounded pretty much like a table radio.
 
nmoore6676 said:
As I recall it sounded ok on the radio side, in Ohio, but in those days the TV audio wasn't the best.
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Exactamente, nmoore. Telco line audio topped out at 5 kHz, so unless you were
in NYC--and the program originated there, or El Lay--and the program originated
there, you got passable, but not great, audio from the TV nets.

NYC and El Lay O&Os were blessed with 15 kHz from local originations, but only
5 kHz on anything coming down the net line from the other coast. Example:
the 11/22/63 CBS coverage (ATWT + Cronkite, et al) on YouTube. It's probably
a copy of the TV City recording of incoming CBS net which was to be aired
two hours later on the left coast feed...until all hell broke loose...and then the
engineering manager would have told the VTR techs to keep recording net TFN.*


*: TFN = (Un)til further notice.
 
t.j. said:
Hey Guys:

I found a Top 40 survey on the web that has KCBH 98.7 as a Top 40 station around Feb of 69.


http://www.las-solanas.com/arsa/sta...&srt1=tsc_prs DESC&vqry=KCBH&lidx=0&rsid=1136

Was KCBH A Full Top 40 format in 69 and did it change calls and format to KJOI in Oct of 1970?

Thanks

T.J.
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t.j.:

Nope. It was classical, transitioned to easy listening daytime, Top 40 afternoons and classical nights in '68, and became KJOI in the summer of 1970...format beautiful music.
 
Just found this, I was the weekend engineer at KCBH from 1969 to 1971! Worked the night of the "Tate" murders one canyon over from Coldwater. I still have buried in storage about a year;s worth of program logs of all the music we played. Remain friends with the chief engineer John Davis, now have his LP collection from the station before it became KJOI.

Best,


John Delgatto, Sierra Records
 
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