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Larry Magid did a lovely endorsement for Pandora/Ford today for his Tech Report.
Made me want to go right out and get Pandora in my car.

What do you think about attention to competition like this? Is it overlooked because it's news?

I will follow up with audio once available.
 
1updaMan said:
Larry Magid did a lovely endorsement for Pandora/Ford today for his Tech Report.
Made me want to go right out and get Pandora in my car.

What do you think about attention to competition like this? Is it overlooked because it's news?

I will follow up with audio once available.
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Yesterday, the Chronicle (sfgate.com) had an article about Pandora in cars - on the front page of the Business section

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/10/11/BUB91FR7D5.DTL


My wife likes Pandora, but frankly - now that I've gotten up to speed with downloading music on my ipod (and iphone), I rarely listen to music radio, and don't feel any great yearning for Pandora, XM Sirius, or anything that I don't personally program.

At home, I plug the ipod into my stereo, and rarely break out the CDs or get into my old collection of "licorice pizzas." My 2007 model car has an auxiliary jack for the ipod. The car is XM Sirius capable, but I haven't bothered to subscribe. On the rare occasions I drive my trusty 13 year old Subaru, I'm a prisoner of the old technology (AM/FM/CD), but I usually tune in KALW, KQED, or KGO.

I wish Pandora well, but there are only so many hours in the day for listening, and so much competition out there. That's a good thing, but I doubt I'll go there.
 
1updaMan said:
Larry Magid did a lovely endorsement for Pandora/Ford today for his Tech Report.
Made me want to go right out and get Pandora in my car.

What do you think about attention to competition like this? Is it overlooked because it's news?

I will follow up with audio once available.
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For certain mainstream genres Pandora works well in selecting songs the listener might like. But in obscure genres it's pretty bad. I have heard Pandora played in several cafes in SF, and now I notice that they have ads every 20 minutes or so. Pandora will indeed become the next generation radio broadcaster.
 
Pandora isn't "radio." It's a bunch of music.

I'm not saying it's bad. I'm just saying it isn't radio. Radio is a blend of elements. Radio is entertainment. Pandora is just music. In simple terms, it's an MP3 player, essentially, that works at guessing what you want to hear.

I tried it for a while. When you try something that's not that far off mainstream, such as Oldies, and the majority of the music is re-recorded (not the original hit versions). That's an automatic fail for me, although I'm sure that if your preference runs to current pop or even classical, and you want only music, then it works as "entertainment."

Discussing Pandora here also seems wrong to me, especially on the San Francisco board. Does it have anything to do with Bay Area radio?
 
BossRadioDJ said:
Pandora isn't "radio." It's a bunch of music.

I'm not saying it's bad. I'm just saying it isn't radio. Radio is a blend of elements. Radio is entertainment. Pandora is just music. In simple terms, it's an MP3 player, essentially, that works at guessing what you want to hear.

I tried it for a while. When you try something that's not that far off mainstream, such as Oldies, and the majority of the music is re-recorded (not the original hit versions). That's an automatic fail for me, although I'm sure that if your preference runs to current pop or even classical, and you want only music, then it works as "entertainment."

Discussing Pandora here also seems wrong to me, especially on the San Francisco board. Does it have anything to do with Bay Area radio?
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Agreed. I tried it for a few days last year. I like Norah Jones, so I asked Pandora to play me one of her songs, but then it gave me a bunch of gloppy lite-rock crap their computers I thought I would 'like.' I realized I can reject songs I don't like and build a play list. But itunes is so much simpler, and Pandora ultimately didn't have much appeal for me.

I think it's valid to discuss it on this board since it represents yet more competition for terrestrial radio - and probably more so in the Bay Area since people are so tech-savvy.
 
BossRadioDJ said:
Discussing Pandora here also seems wrong to me, especially on the San Francisco board. Does it have anything to do with Bay Area radio?
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Yes ... and this is exactly my point.
KCBS basically did an endorsement for Pandora. So again, what do you think about radio stations giving attention to competitors like this?
 
At one time, Clear Channel had a mandate to not air XM commercials (before the Sirius merger.) At the same time, they owned 10% of XM!
 
SFStatic said:
At one time, Clear Channel had a mandate to not air XM commercials (before the Sirius merger.) At the same time, they owned 10% of XM!
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That, I believe, is called not promoting the competition. Kind of like Ronn Owens not reading a spot promoting Gary Radnich's show on KNBR. Now, I'd bet Clear Channel is knocking down the doors hoping that Sirius/XM wants to advertise.

Of course, not too many years ago, the NAB and radio stations in general prohibited advertising for any product that was suggestive or sexual in nature. Now, if you can go one break without somebody advertising male enhancement products, somebody ain't doing their job over in sales.
 
BossRadioDJ said:
SFStatic said:
At one time, Clear Channel had a mandate to not air XM commercials (before the Sirius merger.) At the same time, they owned 10% of XM!
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Now, I'd bet Clear Channel is knocking down the doors hoping that Sirius/XM wants to advertise.
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I thought CC owned some channels on XM (such as KISS-XM and Nashville!).
 
They got clearance on a number of channels for their programming for their investment. Hogan said several years ago that they had moved on, and felt that the sat model wasn't workable and would never really make a profit.
 
musicman3355 said:
I thought CC owned some channels on XM (such as KISS-XM and Nashville!).
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CC never "owned" any channels, but did program a number of them. They also had what was initially a significant investment, in the mid single digit percentage, in XM. But as XM financed its losses with more and more equity offerings, that investment was significantly diluted down to, IIRC, about or less than 1%.
 
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