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KCKC FM - Large Playlist Success ?

I suspect KCMO-FM is getting a lot of the AC crowd, too.

Funny thing is, I went to a summer camp in the KC area in 1987, and AC was just about everywhere on the dial. I listened to KCPW “Power 95” and K-Lite 106.5 that summer. 93.3 was KLSI after it was bought from Jimmy Swaggert and became KMXV around 1992, “Where MX stands for Mixed and V stands for Variety.” It flipped to CHR in ‘94 about a year after Q104 went country, and top-40 was exiled to a rimshot signal.

Granted, the 80’s ended more than 30 years ago, but I don’t think it has changed so much that a market that supported four or five AC's couldn’t support any today. I tend to think it's more of a case of other stations covering the target audience and serving it well enough that AC doesn’t have many inroad. I doubt KCKC's large playlist helps either. A large playlist has killed many a station.
KZPT used to really have an AC sound from about 2011-2014, then radically shifted to an Adult Top 40 sound in 2014. It immediately skyrocketed in the ratings. It returned to a more standard Hot AC sound where it floundered. Then, again this year, it went back to a more Adult Top 40 sound and its ratings rose again! It seems it's found its niche...
 
KZPT used to really have an AC sound from about 2011-2014, then radically shifted to an Adult Top 40 sound in 2014.
"Adult Top40" is already called HotAC.
It immediately skyrocketed in the ratings. It returned to a more standard Hot AC sound where it floundered. Then, again this year, it went back to a more Adult Top 40 sound and its ratings rose again! It seems it's found its niche...
Yeah, that's called HotAC
 
"Adult Top40" is already called HotAC.

Yeah, that's called HotAC
I think the term has changed over the past decade.Thread 'Is it the end of Hot AC?' https://www.radiodiscussions.com/threads/is-it-the-end-of-hot-ac.630142/ this thread from 2012, people used the term differently. Adult top 40 to me is a step between hot ac and mainstream chr. For example, KZPT plays astronaut in the ocean. A lot of time, the spin count is similar too, but KZPT spins songs like a hot ac does, so they're still a hot ac, but with more of a hybrid sound.
 
I think the term has changed over the past decade.Thread 'Is it the end of Hot AC?' https://www.radiodiscussions.com/threads/is-it-the-end-of-hot-ac.630142/ this thread from 2012, people used the term differently. Adult top 40 to me is a step between hot ac and mainstream chr. For example, KZPT plays astronaut in the ocean. A lot of time, the spin count is similar too, but KZPT spins songs like a hot ac does, so they're still a hot ac, but with more of a hybrid sound.
It's still called HotAC.
 
After "Batman", though---its only real hits were "Bewitched" and "The FBI", both of which pre-dated "Batman". After that came "Marcus Welby", "The Mod Squad", "The Partridge Family", "The Rookies" and "Kung Fu"---but that was it, spread over six years until 1974
I don't know if this means anything but I had to watch "The Partridge Family" on WLVA and it was like listening to the radio. WGHP finally got around to showing the same episodes when time came for reruns and it was interesting to see as well as hear.
 
Looking at the KC beauty pageant numbers, I don't see KCKC as any kind of success. Its last four books have been 2.6, 2.4, 3.2, 3.2. It's getting beaten consistently not only by the market's Hot AC but its Christian AC. It's also being beaten by the CHR and two of the market's three country stations, which makes it a distant trailer among the stations targeting female listeners in the demographic sweet spot age-wise. Forty-five-year-old songs and assorted hits that the competition hasn't played in many years pretty much assures KCKC will never amount to anything more than it is today. Why it hasn't flipped to being a more focused, conventional AC is a mystery. All I can think of is the Kansas City just isn't much of a market for AC -- after all, the market's Hot AC only does mid-4s and low-5s compared to the better performances of CHR and country -- and management can't find a format hole worth the trouble of a flip.
It might work better to flip to a classic hits station. A lot of their music is definitely tilted in that direction and there's a large demand for it in KC.
 
I don't know why more programmers don't program ac stations like kckc. Most are such worn out hits that it's very uninteresting to listen to. Who wants to hear Harry styles for the thousandth time? When I turn to kckc, I at least can stay on the station and not be bored.
I like when a station has a wider playlist. I don't have to tune them out when Jessie's Girl gets played for the millionth time.
 
It might work better to flip to a classic hits station. A lot of their music is definitely tilted in that direction and there's a large demand for it in KC.
There is already a very successful (good ratings and good sales) classic hits station. Generally, most markets where an existing one has been challenged the result is two stations outside #10 in ratings and revenue. That is called "lose-lose".
 
Maybe the large playlist can be promoted as a free alternative for people who've had to cancel satellite radio/cable TV[w/radio]/high $ phone plans w/streaming[back to voice/text only] for example (due to the poor economy).

Mention that many of the songs played on the various specialized satellite radio channels and/or available for streaming can be had for free on KCKC FM (in fact, that's what I thought when I first realized they were playing very old songs during the early months of the pandemic, they were trying to fill the music gap created when people had to cancel non-essential subscriptions).


Kirk Bayne
 
Maybe the large playlist can be promoted as a free alternative for people who've had to cancel satellite radio/cable TV[w/radio]/high $ phone plans w/streaming[back to voice/text only] for example (due to the poor economy).
Sirius/XM's subscriber issues are due to few new cars being sold, not to an immense loss of regular subscribers
Mention that many of the songs played on the various specialized satellite radio channels and/or available for streaming can be had for free on KCKC FM (in fact, that's what I thought when I first realized they were playing very old songs during the early months of the pandemic, they were trying to fill the music gap created when people had to cancel non-essential subscriptions).
One of the biggest complaints that I hear in research projects about satellite is that many mainstream channels play too many deep cuts. "I don't hear my favorite songs often enough" or "I hear too many songs I don't like any more" or, with current formats, "I hear too many songs I've never heard before".

That is why I am cancelling my satellite subscriptions. I'd rather hear a few ads on local OTA stations than hear songs I don't want to hear on the satellite channels.

A lot of satellite people never got that their biggest USPs are no commercials and a dependable signal everywhere... not deep cuts.
 
Maybe the large playlist can be promoted as a free alternative for people who've had to cancel satellite radio/cable TV[w/radio]/high $ phone plans w/streaming[back to voice/text only] for example (due to the poor economy).

Mention that many of the songs played on the various specialized satellite radio channels and/or available for streaming can be had for free on KCKC FM (in fact, that's what I thought when I first realized they were playing very old songs during the early months of the pandemic, they were trying to fill the music gap created when people had to cancel non-essential subscriptions).


Kirk Bayne
That’s not a selling point for a lot of people.
 
Sirius/XM's subscriber issues are due to few new cars being sold, not to an immense loss of regular subscribers

One of the biggest complaints that I hear in research projects about satellite is that many mainstream channels play too many deep cuts. "I don't hear my favorite songs often enough" or "I hear too many songs I don't like any more" or, with current formats, "I hear too many songs I've never heard before".

That is why I am cancelling my satellite subscriptions. I'd rather hear a few ads on local OTA stations than hear songs I don't want to hear on the satellite channels.

A lot of satellite people never got that their biggest USPs are no commercials and a dependable signal everywhere... not deep cuts.
More '60s/'70s oldies and soul, as well as a dedicated folk channel, actually were the main reasons I got XM back in 2002. But I've heard since that most of the deep cuts and niche genre fans signed up within their first few million subscribers, and that commercial-free music and, since the takeover by Sirius, Howard Stern, have been driving growth ever since. Oh, and the folk channel was pushed online-only within a few years to make room for a channel with greater mass appeal, so it must not have attracted many subscribers after all.
 
One of the biggest complaints that I hear in research projects about satellite is that many mainstream channels play too many deep cuts. "I don't hear my favorite songs often enough" or "I hear too many songs I don't like any more" or, with current formats, "I hear too many songs I've never heard before".
Had that experience just the other day. I was listening to 80's on 8 on my way into work. They ran a liner talking about 'something from the lost 80's treasure chest', then played this absolute bottom of the barrel dog which I barely remembered from the 80's. It wasn't a "treasure" then, and it sure isn't today. I found myself tuning out because it was that bad.
That is why I am cancelling my satellite subscriptions. I'd rather hear a few ads on local OTA stations than hear songs I don't want to hear on the satellite channels.
I wish there was a way to capitalize on that thought.
A lot of satellite people never got that their biggest USPs are no commercials and a dependable signal everywhere... not deep cuts.
And that's the thing; having a deep-cuts channel is one thing, but foisting unknowns onto your audience expecting the hits, is just a bad idea.
 
Had that experience just the other day. I was listening to 80's on 8 on my way into work. They ran a liner talking about 'something from the lost 80's treasure chest', then played this absolute bottom of the barrel dog which I barely remembered from the 80's. It wasn't a "treasure" then, and it sure isn't today. I found myself tuning out because it was that bad.
It's the snarky "so bad it's good" thinking that causes otherwise sensible radio people to slip "Muskrat Love" or "I've Never Been to Me" into the playlist and expect a positive "I haven't heard that for years!" reaction from the listeners. Maybe some will react that way, mainly music and/or chart geeks. The other never wanted to hear those songs again.
 
It's the snarky "so bad it's good" thinking that causes otherwise sensible radio people to slip "Muskrat Love" or "I've Never Been to Me" into the playlist and expect a positive "I haven't heard that for years!" reaction from the listeners. Maybe some will react that way, mainly music and/or chart geeks. The other never wanted to hear those songs again.
I think a lot of it too relates to SXM essentially abandoning music research as a cost saving. They've taken on the Pandora mindset where; 'we'll flood the zone with so much content on so many ways, there's no way someone can't find what they like'. The problem is with that mindset; listeners don't want to 'punch around' looking for a consistent sound that they expect. Just like having grown up with terrestrial radio, listeners are conditioned to listening through ads much more than an errant WTF?- song. Dropping a turd in the middle of a good set of known music, is sure to illicit moving on to something else.
 
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