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charles123
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Did anybody hear The Bone early this morning? When they added Jet, Three Days Grace, Nickelback etc. What is going on here? These artist are not classic rock.
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MikeShannon914
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"Jet" by McCartney and Wings? Or "The Jets," who sang, "Make It Real"? ;D
Rumor was that Bone was moving more towards the older end of Classic Rock. Grunge is about the newest thing that *might* pass for Classic Rock, albeit Modern Classic Rock. But Nickelback? Wow. What's next, a little "JZ" (not KFJZ) and some Three Doors Down? And some rusty old Coldplay?
Rumor was that Bone was moving more towards the older end of Classic Rock. Grunge is about the newest thing that *might* pass for Classic Rock, albeit Modern Classic Rock. But Nickelback? Wow. What's next, a little "JZ" (not KFJZ) and some Three Doors Down? And some rusty old Coldplay?
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charles123
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MikeShannon914 said:
The song they added was "Are You Going To Be My Girl" by Jet.
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charles123
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Slambang said:
It sounds like they're tweaking their format like their sister station KSAN in San Francisco.
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bodizypha
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or maybe they just wanna play rock songs that are classics......or could be
It seems to me at the time Ron Chapman went from KVIL to KLUV that he talked about needing to let your audience graduate on in an interview. In other words, the music he and his listeners enjoyed was becoming something too old for an AC-formatted station like KVIL -- KVIL needed to be free to shift for the next generation of 30-something soccer moms to allow it to continue life as an AC. The soccer moms of the 1980s were getting into their 50s and KVIL couldn't be their station anymore and still be relevant as a contemporary AC outlet.
Classic rock, when it came around in most markets around 1986, was about playing classic rock music that was then, on average, mostly 10-15 years old. Even then, although the focus was on 70s classic rock, most had some early 80s music from 70s artists like Fleetwood Mac, etc. in the mix.
It's surprising it has taken some classic rock stations this long to try to move a little forward and introduce more "modern classics". In reality, in 2008, playing mid-90s to late-90s rock isn't any different than what the format started out as. Nor would be playing a few songs that are a few years old... I'm guessing the demos are finally forcing the issue. The guy who was 20 in 1973 is now outside 25-54 and thus ready to be shunned by advertisers.
Classic rock, when it came around in most markets around 1986, was about playing classic rock music that was then, on average, mostly 10-15 years old. Even then, although the focus was on 70s classic rock, most had some early 80s music from 70s artists like Fleetwood Mac, etc. in the mix.
It's surprising it has taken some classic rock stations this long to try to move a little forward and introduce more "modern classics". In reality, in 2008, playing mid-90s to late-90s rock isn't any different than what the format started out as. Nor would be playing a few songs that are a few years old... I'm guessing the demos are finally forcing the issue. The guy who was 20 in 1973 is now outside 25-54 and thus ready to be shunned by advertisers.
I've been saying the same basic thing, and arguing the same points with a couple people here, for the past few months-
I worked for KLUV in the early 90's, when we played a few 50's, a lot of 60's, and 70's were just beginning to creep into the playlist. Listen to them now and there's NO 50's, some 60's, a lot of 70's and 80's are starting to creep in.
I think the Bone is looking to play good rock songs, 'classic' or not. And looking to their long term future. A LOT of that KZPS crowd is 45+. And aging out of the demo. If the Bone can stake the younger ground, it'll be a problem for KZPS in 5 years...
Hard to believe any station is loking long term, but that could be it...
I worked for KLUV in the early 90's, when we played a few 50's, a lot of 60's, and 70's were just beginning to creep into the playlist. Listen to them now and there's NO 50's, some 60's, a lot of 70's and 80's are starting to creep in.
I think the Bone is looking to play good rock songs, 'classic' or not. And looking to their long term future. A LOT of that KZPS crowd is 45+. And aging out of the demo. If the Bone can stake the younger ground, it'll be a problem for KZPS in 5 years...
Hard to believe any station is loking long term, but that could be it...
little1 said:
Little 1, I understand what you have stated about the money demo(adults 25-54), but I have and will always continue to have a problem with stations and agencies that says folks who spend money are the ones who still have Similac on their breath.
Wow..They even played "It's Not My Time" by 3 Doors Down and thats practically brand new.
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MikeShannon914
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Sounds more like a 'we're-trying-to-please-everyone-but-really-don't-know-what-the-h#ll-we're-doing' format (how many of THOSE formats have we seen in this market over the years?) Formats that try to please everyone, end up pleasing no one. I'm tired of singing the same old tune about someone giving "MODERN CLASSIC ROCK" a chance. Simply put: XM49. Timewise: Boston through Nirvana. Nothing older, nothing newer. Play songs that haven't been heard on the radio in forever. Breadthwise: Supertramp through AC/DC. Nothing harder, nothing softer (remember how CD-107.5 and Arrow 97.9 would kill all their momentum by cramming in Steely Dan or Fleetwood Mac 'Lite' 4 or 5 times an hour, amidst a 'Classic Rock' format, and how Jack-FM throws in so many crap songs amidst a pseudo-Modern-Classic-Hits format. Read: TUNE OUT FACTOR.) Target: 25-39ish~ males. Still a valued demo.
Nothing against Steely Dan, BTW. But it's a better fit on a Classic HITS station or AC Gold.
Also, one real key to the success of a Modern Classic Rock format is to have a programmer who grew up on KZEW, Q102 and other local flavor, who will know what played well HERE, instead of trying to program out of a book, or who only trusts their own instinct (or personal tastes...i.e. Jeff K.)
Bigger issue...why does Bone keep shooting itself in the foot? They should have inherited at least 50% of KZPS's audience when ZiPS flipped to Lone Star...but nothing. Bone LOST share. Cowboys season...a boost? Hardly. They have had MANY chances to get something going, but it never seems to stick or to work, or some idiot comes along and changes something that IS working. Me, I'd blow out the entire thing, dump the name (familiarity and goodwill are NON-factors in this case) and start all over from scratch. Dump the lame imaging and voice. And, if you keep the morning show, tighten it up. Too rambling for me...give it a purpose, not just more of that P&K "slice o' life" casual, mindless, non-productive chatter and blather. In fact, bring in some entertaining talent (oops, that costs money,) not just liner readers and warm bodies that merely 'keep it rolling.' Surely there's some ex-Q102 and KZEW and KZPS jocks that would be ecstatic to do an airshift there if the format and music were right.
Nothing against Steely Dan, BTW. But it's a better fit on a Classic HITS station or AC Gold.
Also, one real key to the success of a Modern Classic Rock format is to have a programmer who grew up on KZEW, Q102 and other local flavor, who will know what played well HERE, instead of trying to program out of a book, or who only trusts their own instinct (or personal tastes...i.e. Jeff K.)
Bigger issue...why does Bone keep shooting itself in the foot? They should have inherited at least 50% of KZPS's audience when ZiPS flipped to Lone Star...but nothing. Bone LOST share. Cowboys season...a boost? Hardly. They have had MANY chances to get something going, but it never seems to stick or to work, or some idiot comes along and changes something that IS working. Me, I'd blow out the entire thing, dump the name (familiarity and goodwill are NON-factors in this case) and start all over from scratch. Dump the lame imaging and voice. And, if you keep the morning show, tighten it up. Too rambling for me...give it a purpose, not just more of that P&K "slice o' life" casual, mindless, non-productive chatter and blather. In fact, bring in some entertaining talent (oops, that costs money,) not just liner readers and warm bodies that merely 'keep it rolling.' Surely there's some ex-Q102 and KZEW and KZPS jocks that would be ecstatic to do an airshift there if the format and music were right.
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charles123
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MikeShannon914 said:
If they're going mainstream rock, they need to drop "The Classic Rock Station" slogan. What do you think?
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dallasrockradio
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MikeShannon914 said:
Cindy and Robert are ex KEGL jocks.
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charles123
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dallasrockradio said:MikeShannon914 said:
Cindy and Robert are ex KEGL jocks.
So is Jeff Davis
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MikeShannon914
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I was thinking more along the lines of Bob Eliot, Chaz Mixon, Michael T Parker, Tempie, Christopher Haze, etc; i.e. someone over 40 yrs old who has "lived" the music they'd play.
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dakareedog
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Tempie was in San Antonio after she left Q-102 morning show. KTFM?, I think.
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dallasrockradio
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charles123 said:
They seem to me to be far off from mainstream rock. From what I can tell, 90% of The Bone's music is classic rock.
In my opinion, 97.1 The Eagle is a role model "Rock" station.
LOL- listened to "Big Tracks" on my drive home after reading this- and their playlist for that time was:MikeShannon914 said:
Squeeze-Tempted
Clapton Forever Man
VH-Ain't talkin...
Fogerty- Old man down...
Bowie-Modern Love
Cars- Since you're gone
Aerosmith dude looks...
Tubes- Talk to ya later
Songs that haven't been heard on the radio in forever? Puh-leeze. With the exception of the Tubes, that's a safe, well tested rock format.
49 is good, but would be a HELL of a lot better with a few non-super-tested songs with groove thown in for flavoring. That's what's missing from it.
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