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KDKA changes

Bill Alexander said:
I am sorry that I didn't make myself clear.... I was meaning that the Local NEWS and all Local programing was going away. What a way to kill a blow torch.

According to what someone else posted in here, KDKA stopped being a "blowtorch" some time ago when transmitter problems forced them to scale back their wattage. Besides, why waste a "blowtorch" signal that reaches multiple states carrying strictly local programming? If a 50,000 watt clear channel signal carries over a few dozen states, then shouldn't their programming be relevant to the entire area that their signal covers? If people can pick up KDKA in Kentucky, then why should KDKA worry about local news and programming? Let the stations with local signals stick to local programming, and the stations that cover huge areas of the map stick to "broad" casting in the literal sense of the word.
 
How about more liberal talk show hosts? With as many liberals as there are in the area (it's heavily democrat) wouldn't it make more sense to just go wall to wall liberal talk.
That way there would be a clear alternative to WPGB in the market.
Since the area is loaded with liberals and democrats they should have much greater sucess than WPGB...right? And if KD didn't want to go with local hosts couldn't they hire some of the people who have left Air America?
 
Zipperhead said:
How about more liberal talk show hosts? With as many liberals as there are in the area (it's heavily democrat) wouldn't it make more sense to just go wall to wall liberal talk.
That way there would be a clear alternative to WPGB in the market.
Since the area is loaded with liberals and democrats they should have much greater sucess than WPGB...right? And if KD didn't want to go with local hosts couldn't they hire some of the people who have left Air America?

Based on the ratings in most markets for liberal talk radio, it appears that people who vote liberal prefer to listen to music. I don't know if there's any formal research on it. In fact, I doubt if anyone even thought of researching it. But given the fact that liberal talk has failed in all but a handful of markets, it sure seems like liberals would rather listen to music than liberal talk.
 
Local news is very expensive to produce. Right now there are only four entities that produce a majority of their own local news in-house and two of them are in such severe financial difficulty that both could be out of the business by the end of the year.

Having said that, I don't expect that to be the case at all at KD. In fact I can see them becoming KYW-AM west more than any other scenario. They could lean heavily on the TV side for local sound and work the contracts in such a way that some of the content being generated downstairs could wind up on the AM. In the good old days Paul Long and Ray Tannehill both did full newscasts for the AM before heading downstairs for the 6:00.
 
RadioEngnr said:
KDKA is back to full power as of a few weeks ago

If that's the case, why should a blowtorch signal that reaches listeners hundreds of miles away be used to only serve listeners within a 20 mile radius of the stick? Shouldn't the stations that only reach 15 or 29 miles serve only the listeners within 15 or 20 miles, and the station that reaches 100 miles should serve all the listeners within 100 miles?
 
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Based on the ratings in most markets for liberal talk radio, it appears that people who vote liberal prefer to listen to music. I don't know if there's any formal research on it. In fact, I doubt if anyone even thought of researching it. But given the fact that liberal talk has failed in all but a handful of markets, it sure seems like liberals would rather listen to music than liberal talk.




I don't understand...why won't liberals support their talk radio stations? Seems to me they are giving conservatives a huge advantage by not doing so.
 
Zipperhead said:
I don't understand...why won't liberals support their talk radio stations? Seems to me they are giving conservatives a huge advantage by not doing so.

Beats me. But remember, news/talk radio stations are not in the business of converting people's political opinions. They're in the business of attracting listeners so advertisers can sell those listeners steel-frame buildings or Snapple. Listeners are attracted to radio stations by the stations playing what the listeners want to hear. Since some conservatives seem to like to hear someone they agree with, some conservatives listen to conservative talk shows.

Though Rush goes out of his way to put listeners on his show who claim that they were liberals until listening to his show convinced them to change sides, such calls are probably completely bogus. Conservative and liberal talk show hosts "preach to the choir". They don't convert people, they only reinforce the opinions their listeners already hold.

Expecting a liberal radio talk show to persuade conservatives to change into liberals is like expecting WDSY to convince rock fans to change into country fans. It ain't gonna happen.

KDKA needs to find a market segment out there that fits several criteria. It has to currently be under served. It has to be reasonably large. And it has to be willing to hit the button to switch bands over to AM.

Their other option is to pick a market segment that's being served but served by a weak station that can be beaten. I think KDKA's best shot at success would be to take on WJAS and beat them at their own game. I think they could beat WJAS and it's "Music of your life" by using a variation of the "Martini" format. That would take songs from the same era as WJAS is playing, but with more big-sounding jazz vocals and lounge-lizard music and less 60's pop bubblegum. Mix old standards, new recordings of old standards, jazz with vocals, and maybe even lounge-style blues. Mix Sinatra, Billy Eckstine, Robert Goulet, Peggy Lee, Nat King Cole, Billie Holiday, Ella Fitzgerald, Micheal Buble, Harry Connick Jr, even cuts from Rod Stewart's and Linda Rondstadt's collections of old standards. They could pay to use the Martini brand name or call it "Tuxedo Music" or "The Electric Lounge". They could use a cute little lizard cartoon character in a tuxedo (A lounge lizard) as the advertising mascot.

One of the great things about that kind of music is that whether a song is a hit or not doesn't matter. It would be a retro throwback to the kind of songs that singers would sing on TV variety shows back when they had TV variety shows. I've been watching old clips on You Tube of people like Mel Torme, who I understand was very popular in his day, but who had few chart-topping hits on Top 40 radio.

That would be a major gamble, because the station would be betting that people my age (40-somethings) would also take to that kind of music because we discover that we like it even though it wasn't the stuff we listened to when we were teenagers. I doubt if anyone involved with the KDKA has the courage to try something like that. It could be a roll of the dice that comes of 7's, or it could come up box cars. But everything else I've heard suggested sounds like a sure bet for failure, so maybe a gamble like that would be their best shot.

In any event, it'll never, ever happen so my suggestion is nothing but a pleasant mental exercise on my part on a boring Saturday afternoon.
 
Biz Listener said:
Their other option is to pick a market segment that's being served but served by a weak station that can be beaten. I think KDKA's best shot at success would be to take on WJAS and beat them at their own game. I think they could beat WJAS and it's "Music of your life" by using a variation of the "Martini" format.

Let's see, first they should take on a station that has half their audience and is maybe 20th in billing. That doesn't strike me as an improvement, but what do I know?

They need to find some 25-54's so they can make some money.

Suggestiions: Boortz, O'Reilly run live, more entertaining hosts in AM and PM drive (THIS IS THE MOST BORING RADIO STATION ON THE PLANET!!!), less clutter in drive times, a real sports talk show (not Staggy or Tolo), NASCAR, a Steeler pregame show with said real sports talk host (you don't have to have the games to do this, most will be going to the game or watching it on TV anyway), NOT FREAKIN' TRADIO.....
 
Parttimer said:
Let's see, first they should take on a station that has half their audience and is maybe 20th in billing. That doesn't strike me as an improvement, but what do I know?

They need to find some 25-54's so they can make some money.

I thought WJAS was the number 2 AM station in town, and with all the high ratings talk shows on 104.7, I figured that KDKA needed to do something drastic.

But, if using second string syndicated talk would work for KDKA, maybe that Martini format would work better on 92.9 than what they've got their currently.

As for billings on just demographics, I'm sure all the order-takers who pretend to be salesmen would love to sit back and write orders from major media buyers looking to throw money around at the numbers. But I suspect that the way the economy is going, it won't be long until radio salespeople are going to actually have to call on local businesses and actually sell (as in "talk people into buying") people on buying commercial spots. I fear the days of sitting back and taking orders based on attractive demographics might soon be over.

But then, I've been wrong about such things in the past. I never thought people would download music from the internet because dial-up modems were just too slow.
 
The more I think about it, NASCAR would really be a Godsend for KDKA.

I was told by television executives at FOX at the beginning of the decade the third-highest TV ratings in the country for NASCAR came from Pittsburgh.

When WPTT had NASCAR, they had twice the ratings they do now. There stands to reason that listeners who were drawn to NASCAR might be prone to listen to conservative talk shows (Jerry Bowyer at that time).

Think NASCAR wouldn't be a good way to lure these listeners again?

Once upon a time people all over the country followed Major League Baseball by tuning into KDKA.

I can see people from half the nation doing the same for the night races.
 
Biz Listener said:
Wasn't Clarke Ingram a Top 40 DJ back when Top 40 was still called "Top 40"? So why all the comments about him playing oldies? If he was one of the top Top 40 guys back in the day, wouldn't he still be a "Top 40" guy today, except they'd call it CHR?

Can you name any Top 40 jocks from "back in the day" who are still Top 40 (CHR) jocks today? A vast majority, if not all, have moved on to either oldies, classic hits, classic rock, AC, country, or talk. The one who lasted the longest (that I'm aware of) was Boston's Dale Dorman, who worked at KISS 108 for over 20 years, most of those as a CHR jock (they started out as "disco" back in the very early 80's). They let him go a couple of years ago, and he went over to "Oldies 103.3" (WODS) to do morning drive shortly thereafter.
 
They wouldn't have the night audience anymore because the races are on Sirius, but at least it's something to sell, and it might bring some new listeners under 55.

And as far as WJAS is concerned, yes they are the #2 AM 12+, but frankly as far as the business side is concerned KD and ESPN 1250 are really the only viable AMs in the market at this point. No one else has any sellable numbers, and KD's aren't that great. And that doesn't matter whether you're looking for local or national buys. Just because 25-54 is a small cell in this market, it's still where the purchasing power lies, and it's still the audience you have to attract.
 
Wayne McMannors said:
Can you name any Top 40 jocks from "back in the day" who are still Top 40 (CHR) jocks today?

Hell, I doubt if I could name any Top 40 jocks from "back in the day", period. I was in grade school in the 60's, and didn't pay much attention to anybody or anything on the radio. By the time I started paying attention to the radio it was the 70's, and I listened to album rock stations, not Top 40. When I had to listen to AM radio, I'd usually hit the station button whenever a song was over and some guy started talking. But then, I was 16 years old back then. Short attention spans are standard equipment on 16 year olds.
 
Biz Listener said:
Wayne McMannors said:
Can you name any Top 40 jocks from "back in the day" who are still Top 40 (CHR) jocks today?

Hell, I doubt if I could name any Top 40 jocks from "back in the day", period. I was in grade school in the 60's, and didn't pay much attention to anybody or anything on the radio. By the time I started paying attention to the radio it was the 70's, and I listened to album rock stations, not Top 40. When I had to listen to AM radio, I'd usually hit the station button whenever a song was over and some guy started talking. But then, I was 16 years old back then. Short attention spans are standard equipment on 16 year olds.

Just to name one:

Jim Quinn was hell of a Top 40 jock in Pittsburgh back in the late 60's-early 70's. I had the pleasure of hearing him at WPIX-FM in New York City and later at WKBW in Buffalo at night. In the early 80's, he went back to Pittsburgh to work at AC WTAE, then did mornings with Banana Don Jefferson at B-94. Someone else might be able to fill in where he was between then and his current talk gig. I lost track. ???
 
I grew up in Pittsburgh and was totally inspired while attending Fox Chapel High School by listening to KQV in the 60's to actually get into the radio business. I still am!!! In San Antonio doing mornings at an AC station. 40 years! Some of the best Top 40 of the 60's era was in Pittsburgh.
 
Bring back Gary Dickson. That would be a good start at local programming.
 
Wayne McMannors said:
Jim Quinn was hell of a Top 40 jock in Pittsburgh back in the late 60's-early 70's. I had the pleasure of hearing him at WPIX-FM in New York City and later at WKBW in Buffalo at night. In the early 80's, he went back to Pittsburgh to work at AC WTAE, then did mornings with Banana Don Jefferson at B-94. Someone else might be able to fill in where he was between then and his current talk gig. I lost track. ???

He was doing this same conservative talk on 97 Rock, which is now BOB-FM.
 
6------Chuck Daugherty
9------Breakfast Club
10------Henry DaBecco
1-------Roy Elwell
3-------Jim McLaughlin
6:30----ABC News
7:15----Roy Elwell
9-------Dave Scott
12-------Lee Vogel

That was the origional line-up at KQV

Anything else?
 
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