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KEARTH 101 (it's only 80's if we say so)

70s songs now are 40 years old. Like playing Al Jolson in the 70s. I'm sure there were some stations that played Jolson and Fletcher Henderson and that sort of thing in the 70s, but they weren't getting ratings.

You're dealing with major quality issues though. Playing music from the 20's and 30's in the 70's from 78's (or transferred to carts....same thing) really sounds old and it's before the rock & roll era....totally different and distinct eras and music quality all together. I can see those stations getting the low ratings then.

Playing 35-40 year old songs today is different and would appeal since technology today is able to keep the sound of a 1976 recording, just as new and crisp as if you heard it then. Even better to an average listener with the advent of digital process.

Music from the rock era will appeal much longer in the future, than a Al Jolson record from the 1920's, as good as his music was then. I'm surprised they even played his music in the 70's, unless it's some old radio show reruns or a tribute on an AM station, which I can understand.
 
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Playing 35-40 year old songs today is different and would appeal since technology today is able to keep the sound of a 1976 recording, just as new and crisp as if you heard it then. Even better to an average listener with the advent of digital process.

Old music is old music. Every era brings its technical quality issues. Bottom line is that people like what they like.
 
Well, there are some PD's that program for all and those are the ones that generally have the better playlists...and are darn good at it. They please their audiences and they please themselves with the satisfaction of knowing their audiences enjoy their presentations and selections based on listener feedback. Some of these stations have been around for many years.

I'm only going to rebut you once on this, oldies.

The "some PDs" are 99% likely to be at stations which cannot afford to do proper research, so they rely on the relatively meaningless numbers from the Whitburn books, combined with their own tastes. It may look like they are "pleasing their audiences" but I would bet money that any such station that was subjected to the results of real research would see their numbers go up, just as KRTH's have. (Note reference to KRTH to stay on-topic for the thread.)

Stations in smaller markets, with little competition, can stay around for many years simply because of the circumstances. That doesn't make their approach the correct one.
 
In the 70s adults either listened to adult contemporary (the softer pop hits), beautiful music or country. Nostalgia formats, for the most part didn't come along until Al Ham's Music of Your Life in the early 80s
 
In the 70s adults either listened to adult contemporary (the softer pop hits), beautiful music or country. Nostalgia formats, for the most part didn't come along until Al Ham's Music of Your Life in the early 80s

MOYL started in 1978 but took awhile to build so you're probably about right.
 
Stations in smaller markets, with little competition, can stay around for many years simply because of the circumstances. That doesn't make their approach the correct one.

But for them and their circumstances, the lack of money spent, due to lower budgets obviously, it is the correct approach. That's what makes them unique and different (and better) from the mass audience researched stations, like KRTH or a WCBS.

Stations like 690 and many others like it, are doing it right, based on their situations, goals and their audiences. Can they do even better? Sure, but this is their best approach at this time and many listeners and myself are satisfied. They are, what they are and for them, it's good.

BTW, there's a new station in town....Cruisin' 98.5 / 1040 (KCBR)...playing 50's thru 70's and a touch of early 80's. They used to be called "Tailgate 98.5" which didn't last long. This new oldies format just began about one week ago. No website yet. 1040 might have been Hispanic programming before becoming Tailgate, now oldies.

This is the 3rd station in the area that is incorporating 50's and pre '64's into their playlists. A trend nationally?? Hopefully so.
 
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In the 70s adults either listened to adult contemporary (the softer pop hits), beautiful music or country. Nostalgia formats, for the most part didn't come along until Al Ham's Music of Your Life in the early 80s

AC did not define itself until the late 70's; earlier on we just called it "contemporary". What we had were a variety of adult formats, ranging from the remnants of the MOR format (Think WNEW AM in New York) to what we called "chicken rock" which was the Top 40 without the rock (Think "Ben" and "The Morning After"). In the middle were stations that played some of the chicken rock stuff plus some of the remnants of MOR like Andy Williams and the like.

Oldies began as early as 1979 in some markets (DC had two of them, an AM and an FM then). Adult African Americans listened to r&b stations, the term we applied to what are Urban stations today.

Rock fragmented well before 1975 into AOR, progressive and "soft rock" (think KNX-FM in LA)

Despite the image of being all-teens, Top 40 stations had predominantly adult listeners. For example, KHJ was #2 in LA in adults 18-49 in 1975-1976, right after KNX-FM.

Of course, adults had talk and news stations, at least in the larger markets.
 
But for them and their circumstances, the lack of money spent, due to lower budgets obviously, it is the correct approach. That's what makes them unique and different (and better) from the mass audience researched stations, like KRTH or a WCBS.

More like "out of necessity" than "correct", but agreed that under circumstances which include lower budgets, those stations do the best that they can.

"Better", though is a subjective statement which can only express your opinion; the ratings for the stations that can afford to do research would disprove that if it were a statement of fact.

I can't argue that those stations aren't "unique and different" but that term can be defined both positively and negatively, so YMMV.
 
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But for them and their circumstances, the lack of money spent, due to lower budgets obviously, it is the correct approach.

Not necessarily. It's been a while (a couple of years, maybe three) since the posts on the 70s/80s board, but there was quite a controversy when a small market station (KJMK in Joplin, MO---Market #234) went to a tight-playlist classic hits format. It wouldn't work, you and Firepoint said. It rocketed into the top 3. It wouldn't last, you and Firepoint said. It has. Still a solid third, beaten only by a CHR and a Country owned by the same company.

I said it back then. It's not so much that playing anything and everything works in small markets...it's that you can get away with it unless and until someone in the market...or who can throw a strong signal into that market...tightens up and plays what the core demo wants to hear. And then it's just not tenable anymore.
 
Not necessarily. It's been a while (a couple of years, maybe three) since the posts on the 70s/80s board, but there was quite a controversy when a small market station (KJMK in Joplin, MO---Market #234) went to a tight-playlist classic hits format. It wouldn't work, you and Firepoint said. It rocketed into the top 3. It wouldn't last, you and Firepoint said. It has. Still a solid third, beaten only by a CHR and a Country owned by the same company.

I know we discussed Hippie radio and KIYX 106 a while back. Unfortunately, I don't remember the other station you mentioned, but that's ok...
 
I went through the old thread. I was mistaken...Oldies was only peripherally involved in the conversation about KJMK in Joplin, and Firepoint not at all. It was a poster known as RIN3GUY who lived in or near Joplin and who brought up the station.

Short version...prior to the tight Classic Hits approach, KJMK had a 4 and the loose Classic Rock station had a 10. In the first book, KJMK exploded into the top 3 and the Classic Rocker fell out of the Top 5. Three years later, it's still that way. KJMK has doubled its rating and the Classic Rocker has half of its old number.

People are people. Given a choice, the majority of the target audience for classic hits will respond well to the tighter, more focused station, regardless of the size of the market.
 
People are people. Given a choice, the majority of the target audience for classic hits will respond well to the tighter, more focused station, regardless of the size of the market.

And there is a logical reason for that. Yes, there are people who think radio has an obligation to provide wider playlists, but we know they constitute far less than a majority and have little impact on the ratings either way. Radio, being a mass medium, programs for the majority, who have grown up expecting radio to be a aural "comfort food". They want familiar (even to the point of still loving songs that the "wide playlist" advocates think are burnt to a crisp) and they want it consistently every time they tune a station in.

The Joplin example is proof of that. Sure, the formerly predominant station had a wider variety of music, and our little group of advocates for same will applaud them for it until their hands bleed. But the listeners are choosing the other station, with the tighter, more researched playlist ... because every time they turn it on there is something familiar playing, which comforts them. So the ratings went up and stayed up, and I bet if we had billing numbers for that whole period of time we'd see that the wide playlist station has been losing ground there as well.

And lest you think this is some new phenomenon: At one point in my career, I was part of the programming team at a top-40 FM with a country sister AM. The latter's numbers were sagging and the decision was made to update the format to a "pop country" approach. You never heard more Juice Newton and John Denver in your life. The station was rebranded "Country 16" (we were at 1590), there were jingles all over the place, the song-spot-song-spot clock was abandoned in favor of three-song sweeps and two-minute stopsets, and the airstaff gradually was replaced with refugees from the 50,000-watt flamethrower top-40 AM in the market. (I even wound up with a three-hour daily airshift at one point.) And the ratings went up.

Yet we had a thorn in our side, which was one persistent older man who called the request line at all hours, day and night, multiple times a day, insisting that we were a "country and western station" and complaining that we weren't playing any western swing music. (The irony was that the station had never played any in the ten-plus years since it had flipped to country from top-40.) Eventually, it got so distracting that we had the phone company trace his calls and they then advised him that he would be disconnected if he continued making harassing calls to the radio station.

Now you know why I get tired of the "wide playlist" argument so easily.
 
point.) And the ratings went up.

Yet we had a thorn in our side, which was one persistent older man who called the request line at all hours, day and night, multiple times a day, insisting that we were a "country and western station" and complaining that we weren't playing any western swing music. (The irony was that the station had never played any in the ten-plus years since it had flipped to country from top-40.) Eventually, it got so distracting that we had the phone company trace his calls and they then advised him that he would be disconnected if he continued making harassing calls to the radio station.

Now you know why I get tired of the "wide playlist" argument so easily.

That's one person in a million....he obviously made your night....
 
I volunteered at an LPFM that boasting 6000 songs, and the person running the programming was very much into playing everything that was round and didn't have pepperoni. We ended up with a handful of hourly request line callers who would fixate on the SAME obscure song. Not a different song every time they called-they had ONE that they liked and wanted to hear 5 times a day.
 
"Please Don't Go" (1980) by KC & the Sunshine Band. 8:16pm 8/17

Nice choice, K-Earth!
 
"Please Don't Go" (1980) by KC & the Sunshine Band. 8:16pm 8/17

KRTH has been rotating three or four songs by Harry Casey and the TK Records Orchestra for a few months now ... but they are within the ~300 (out of a total in the low 600s) which play once or twice per week, so good luck being tuned in at the times they play.

Speaking of times, I would suggest not appending that information to song reports. Remember how Frank called Steve out for being "childish" over tracking play times down to the minute ...
 
I remember at least one key radio station that played all of the songs you mentioned when they were currents/recurrents. That station was a clear #1 in both teens and women 25-54 back then. Times (and the demos) certainly change, but solid song favorites rarely do, even given time. By the way, that same station played "Physical" in Power rotation as well. Sometimes, we research ourselves right into oblivion. In the words of one famous L.A. programmer, "We generally do most research by attempting to validate what we've already decided to do."
 
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