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I think Jhani Kaye is moving the jocks to less of the high profile "Oldies" type personality to a more REAL sounding delivery. AC if you will.

Maybe he thinks it will be easier on the ears. I do find it somewhat easier to listen to. Shotgun has a nice TONE to his voice doing this straight (pardon the pun Jhani) delivery. Kind of reminds me of the 80' KOIT SF delivery.

In this day and age of loud Hip Hop, rock, etc, obnoxious sweepers, sex and violence on tv/radio/movies, Perhaps with the DJ's sounding more real and relaxed it might work in laid back la la land.

I'm just glad to see a PD smart enough to realize ex high profile yelling oldie personalities like Shotgun can also put on a nice adult relaxed but fresh delivery. Not too many PD's with that kind of smarts anymore.
 
TheLaffer said:
I think Jhani Kaye is moving the jocks to less of the high profile "Oldies" type personality to a more REAL sounding delivery. AC if you will.

Maybe he thinks it will be easier on the ears. I do find it somewhat easier to listen to. Shotgun has a nice TONE to his voice doing this straight (pardon the pun Jhani) delivery. Kind of reminds me of the 80' KOIT SF delivery.

In this day and age of loud Hip Hop, rock, etc, obnoxious sweepers, sex and violence on tv/radio/movies, Perhaps with the DJ's sounding more real and relaxed it might work in laid back la la land.

I'm just glad to see a PD smart enough to realize ex high profile yelling oldie personalities like Shotgun can also put on a nice adult relaxed but fresh delivery. Not too many PD's with that kind of smarts anymore.

Are you listening to the same K-Earth I am? Shotgun's energy level is still pretty high and personally I think his voice sounds ragged lately. Shotgun is still a great jock, one of the best on the planet, but I don't hear anything close to KOIT's 80's delivery. If anything most of the veteran jocks at KRTH sound a little un-certain at times. Especially Christina Kelly. It's to be expected as Jhani Kaye loves to hotline the jocks, sometimes before they can even close the mic. If you want yelling, just listen to Joshua Escondon. That guy doesn't have a clue, but he never did even at KBIG. Delivery was NEVER a problem at KRTH, the music was. Jhani Kaye took 5 steps forward and fixed the music, but took 8 steps back on the way he handles the jocks. It might be worse if he didn't already have a good staff there when he arrived. K-Earth could sound better. He just needs to bring in someone for the 1-4pm shift that fits the station and then ease off on the jocks. They sounded up, happy and error free pre Jhani Kaye... Thank the lord for Jim Carson who never sounds bad. He's the most consistant air personality that K-Earth has, and Dave Randell is a close second.
 
I sent Bruce Chandler an e-mail last summer about his work on Westwood one's oldies channell.He replied back and he sounds like one of the best out there.He works seven days a week on the air between Westwood One and Kearth.By the way from an internet listener in PA. great sounding station although they moved away from the late 50's too much for me personally I understand why.Just think a 50,000 watt oldies station that's been around a long time.Happy birthday K EARTH for being 35 years oldie!
 
calguy said:
TheLaffer said:
I think Jhani Kaye is moving the jocks to less of the high profile "Oldies" type personality to a more REAL sounding delivery. AC if you will.

Maybe he thinks it will be easier on the ears. I do find it somewhat easier to listen to. Shotgun has a nice TONE to his voice doing this straight (pardon the pun Jhani) delivery. Kind of reminds me of the 80' KOIT SF delivery.

In this day and age of loud Hip Hop, rock, etc, obnoxious sweepers, sex and violence on tv/radio/movies, Perhaps with the DJ's sounding more real and relaxed it might work in laid back la la land.

I'm just glad to see a PD smart enough to realize ex high profile yelling oldie personalities like Shotgun can also put on a nice adult relaxed but fresh delivery. Not too many PD's with that kind of smarts anymore.

Are you listening to the same K-Earth I am? Shotgun's energy level is still pretty high and personally I think his voice sounds ragged lately. Shotgun is still a great jock, one of the best on the planet, but I don't hear anything close to KOIT's 80's delivery. If anything most of the veteran jocks at KRTH sound a little un-certain at times. Especially Christina Kelly. It's to be expected as Jhani Kaye loves to hotline the jocks, sometimes before they can even close the mic. If you want yelling, just listen to Joshua Escondon. That guy doesn't have a clue, but he never did even at KBIG. Delivery was NEVER a problem at KRTH, the music was. Jhani Kaye took 5 steps forward and fixed the music, but took 8 steps back on the way he handles the jocks. It might be worse if he didn't already have a good staff there when he arrived. K-Earth could sound better. He just needs to bring in someone for the 1-4pm shift that fits the station and then ease off on the jocks. They sounded up, happy and error free pre Jhani Kaye... Thank the lord for Jim Carson who never sounds bad. He's the most consistant air personality that K-Earth has, and Dave Randell is a close second.

Don't get me wrong i think KEARTH is a great station, better than all the other CBS Oldie stations by far. I've only listened to Shotgun and Christine. Christine has a nice voice. I just think Shotgun has toned it down some thats all.

I'm not a big fan of oldies as i'm not in the demo but i do like listening to fun personality radio and while KEARTH still has personality, it seems as though it's been taken down a notch or two.

Funny thing is i can listen to the old farts format on sattelite (adult standards) and hear fun, very ubeat personality from Wink Martindale, Gary Owens, Charlie Tuna. These guys are still VERY up in presentation and doing bits.
 
Since Jhani became pd he has institued his liner card system, shut up the jocks and dumped most of the processing. This town has too many stations playing oldies right now, especially rhythmic oldies which Jhani has added many more into the rotation at K-Earth.

It will be interesting to see if the last book was just a fluke since the rest of 2006 there was no growth for K-Earth.
 
TheLaffer said:
calguy said:
TheLaffer said:
I think Jhani Kaye is moving the jocks to less of the high profile "Oldies" type personality to a more REAL sounding delivery. AC if you will.

Maybe he thinks it will be easier on the ears. I do find it somewhat easier to listen to. Shotgun has a nice TONE to his voice doing this straight (pardon the pun Jhani) delivery. Kind of reminds me of the 80' KOIT SF delivery.

In this day and age of loud Hip Hop, rock, etc, obnoxious sweepers, sex and violence on tv/radio/movies, Perhaps with the DJ's sounding more real and relaxed it might work in laid back la la land.

I'm just glad to see a PD smart enough to realize ex high profile yelling oldie personalities like Shotgun can also put on a nice adult relaxed but fresh delivery. Not too many PD's with that kind of smarts anymore.

Are you listening to the same K-Earth I am? Shotgun's energy level is still pretty high and personally I think his voice sounds ragged lately. Shotgun is still a great jock, one of the best on the planet, but I don't hear anything close to KOIT's 80's delivery. If anything most of the veteran jocks at KRTH sound a little un-certain at times. Especially Christina Kelly. It's to be expected as Jhani Kaye loves to hotline the jocks, sometimes before they can even close the mic. If you want yelling, just listen to Joshua Escondon. That guy doesn't have a clue, but he never did even at KBIG. Delivery was NEVER a problem at KRTH, the music was. Jhani Kaye took 5 steps forward and fixed the music, but took 8 steps back on the way he handles the jocks. It might be worse if he didn't already have a good staff there when he arrived. K-Earth could sound better. He just needs to bring in someone for the 1-4pm shift that fits the station and then ease off on the jocks. They sounded up, happy and error free pre Jhani Kaye... Thank the lord for Jim Carson who never sounds bad. He's the most consistant air personality that K-Earth has, and Dave Randell is a close second.

Don't get me wrong i think KEARTH is a great station, better than all the other CBS Oldie stations by far. I've only listened to Shotgun and Christine. Christine has a nice voice. I just think Shotgun has toned it down some thats all.

I'm not a big fan of oldies as i'm not in the demo but i do like listening to fun personality radio and while KEARTH still has personality, it seems as though it's been taken down a notch or two.

Funny thing is i can listen to the old farts format on sattelite (adult standards) and hear fun, very ubeat personality from Wink Martindale, Gary Owens, Charlie Tuna. These guys are still VERY up in presentation and doing bits.

Does anybody have an opinion of Gary Bryan? I think it was smart to bring him back to mornings.
 
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TheLaffer said:
Don't get me wrong i think KEARTH is a great station, better than all the other CBS Oldie stations by far. I've only listened to Shotgun and Christine. Christine has a nice voice. I just think Shotgun has toned it down some thats all.

I'm not a big fan of oldies as i'm not in the demo but i do like listening to fun personality radio and while KEARTH still has personality, it seems as though it's been taken down a notch or two.

Funny thing is i can listen to the old farts format on sattelite (adult standards) and hear fun, very ubeat personality from Wink Martindale, Gary Owens, Charlie Tuna. These guys are still VERY up in presentation and doing bits.

The reason the older jocks sound good to you is two fold. They spring from a more golden age of personality radio, and they were the cream of the crop.

As for the K-Earth jocks, you're right, they have been toned down a bit. In some cases more than others. As for sounding better than the other CBS Oldies stations, they do, but there are many fewer Oldies station out there, CBS or otherwise. K-Earth is still a fun station to a degree, but not around the clock.
 
mostb1 said:
Since Jhani became pd he has institued his liner card system, shut up the jocks and dumped most of the processing. This town has too many stations playing oldies right now, especially rhythmic oldies which Jhani has added many more into the rotation at K-Earth.

It will be interesting to see if the last book was just a fluke since the rest of 2006 there was no growth for K-Earth.

Jhani toned the processing down to add dynamic range to the music and allow you to hear it in a more natural way. However, I think he may have gone too far. It has more processing than KOST which he wanted to be as flat as possible while retaining as much loudness as possible, but less than KBIG which he pretty much left alone. I thought that KBIG sounded pretty good and I would have tried to copy that processing. Not overly compressed like KRTH had become, but still nice & loud with decent dynamics. He also added a Shure SM5B to the Control Room.

Yes, the liner card system is evident. You can hear the standard formatics that have become a Kaye trademark-- "Hi, who's this and where are you calling from?” sounding like KOST & KBIG. The difference at KRTH is that Kaye has Charlie Van Dyke doing most of the liners, many that Kaye had used at KOST for many, many years. As for too many rhythmic oldies being played in LA, blame MOVIN. MOVIN added to an already crowded field. The strength that KRTH brings is its ability to mimic Top 40 stations from the late 70's and early 80's that played a little bit of everything. Kaye was a successful To 40 PD in El Paso in the 70’s, so he knows how to do it.
 
calguy said:
mostb1 said:
Since Jhani became pd he has institued his liner card system, shut up the jocks and dumped most of the processing. This town has too many stations playing oldies right now, especially rhythmic oldies which Jhani has added many more into the rotation at K-Earth.

It will be interesting to see if the last book was just a fluke since the rest of 2006 there was no growth for K-Earth.

Jhani toned the processing down to add dynamic range to the music and allow you to hear it in a more natural way. However, I think he may have gone too far. It has more processing than KOST which he wanted to be as flat as possible while retaining as much loudness as possible, but less than KBIG which he pretty much left alone. I thought that KBIG sounded pretty good and I would have tried to copy that processing. Not overly compressed like KRTH had become, but still nice & loud with decent dynamics. He also added a Shure SM5B to the Control Room.

Yes, the liner card system is evident. You can hear the standard formatics that have become a Kaye trademark-- "Hi, who's this and where are you calling from?” sounding like KOST & KBIG. The difference at KRTH is that Kaye has Charlie Van dyke doing most of the liners, many that Kaye had used at KOST for many, many years. As for too many rhythmic oldies being played in LA, blame MOVIN. MOVIN added to an already crowded field. The strength that KRTH brings is its ability to mimic Top 40 stations from the late 70's and early 80's that played a little bit of everything. Kaye was a successful To 40 PD in El Paso in the 70’s, so he knows how to do it.

I would agree about the processing. It's a fine line from too much to too little. Very few stations these days fine the happy medium. I've heard it takes a long time to get that digital processing just right. I thought CBS-FM processing was good. I worked part time at KEARTH in the mid 80's and during my time we had enough compression and natural EQ that gave us a nice smack without overdoing it.
 
calguy said:
mostb1 said:
Since Jhani became pd he has institued his liner card system, shut up the jocks and dumped most of the processing. This town has too many stations playing oldies right now, especially rhythmic oldies which Jhani has added many more into the rotation at K-Earth.

It will be interesting to see if the last book was just a fluke since the rest of 2006 there was no growth for K-Earth.

Jhani toned the processing down to add dynamic range to the music and allow you to hear it in a more natural way. However, I think he may have gone too far. It has more processing than KOST which he wanted to be as flat as possible while retaining as much loudness as possible, but less than KBIG which he pretty much left alone. I thought that KBIG sounded pretty good and I would have tried to copy that processing. Not overly compressed like KRTH had become, but still nice & loud with decent dynamics. He also added a Shure SM5B to the Control Room.

Yes, the liner card system is evident. You can hear the standard formatics that have become a Kaye trademark-- "Hi, who's this and where are you calling from?” sounding like KOST & KBIG. The difference at KRTH is that Kaye has Charlie Van dyke doing most of the liners, many that Kaye had used at KOST for many, many years. As for too many rhythmic oldies being played in LA, blame MOVIN. MOVIN added to an already crowded field. The strength that KRTH brings is its ability to mimic Top 40 stations from the late 70's and early 80's that played a little bit of everything. Kaye was a successful To 40 PD in El Paso in the 70’s, so he knows how to do it.

If I wanted to listen to music in a "natural way", I would listen to cd's. Toned down, he's almost eliminated the processing (and Jhani controls the minimal mic processing also). K-Earth was not overly compressed. In fact I don't feel it was compressed enough before Jhani came in (for the format). Right now, Jack is about the cleanest, loudest station on the dial (kudos to Scott Mason for that - too bad he can't get his old buddy Jhani Kaye to do the same on K-Earth). KIIS use to have the best processing but since Terry Grieger came in he's ruined the processing on all the Clear Channel L.A. stations. He should spend some time listening to Hot. The "noisiest" station in L.A.. Just listen when the music is low or their is dead air on Hot. Unbelievable it never gets cleaned up, year after year.

At KBIG, Jhani use to personally pre-process the music onto the Prophet system. Process the music BEFORE it went into the audio chain. How stupid was that? Thank goodness that practice ended when he was kicked out of the Burbank facility.

As for oldies, it is not just Movin. In the last year, 3 stations have added many of the same oldie titles to the competition in this market: Movin, V100 and K-Earth. And that's in addition to KJLH, KBIG and sister Hot, which shares in playing a number of the same titles with them.
Hot in its on air imaging is currently pointing out the fact there are now "immatators" to its format. Too many of them.

Top 40 was almost dead from the late 70's until late 1982/early 1983 so I wouldn't proclaim that as the savior for K-Earth. Not Top 40's best years for delivering hits between the death of disco and the beginning of the big years for KIIS and KROQ in this town.

The only time Jhani Kaye programmed a decent sounding station in this market was when he was pd of KBIG in the AMFM days. Since then, all he's done is ruin Los Angeles radio stations which is what he is currently doing to K-Earth.

I give K-Earth 2 or 3 more years, Then when they give it up, Saul will dump country on the FM and do oldies.
 
mostb1 said:
calguy said:
mostb1 said:
If I wanted to listen to music in a "natural way", I would listen to cd's. Toned down, he's almost eliminated the processing (and Jhani controls the minimal mic processing also). K-Earth was not overly compressed. In fact I don't feel it was compressed enough before Jhani came in (for the format). Right now, Jack is about the cleanest, loudest station on the dial (kudos to Scott Mason for that - too bad he can't get his old buddy Jhani Kaye to do the same on K-Earth). KIIS use to have the best processing but since Terry Grieger came in he's ruined the processing on all the Clear Channel L.A. stations. He should spend some time listening to Hot. The "noisiest" station in L.A.. Just listen when the music is low or their is dead air on Hot. Unbelievable it never gets cleaned up, year after year.

At KBIG, Jhani use to personally pre-process the music onto the Prophet system. Process the music BEFORE it went into the audio chain. How stupid was that? Thank goodness that practice ended when he was kicked out of the Burbank facility.

As for oldies, it is not just Movin. In the last year, 3 stations have added many of the same oldie titles to the competition in this market: Movin, V100 and K-Earth. And that's in addition to KJLH, KBIG and sister Hot, which shares in playing a number of the same titles with them.
Hot in its on air imaging is currently pointing out the fact there are now "immatators" to its format. Too many of them.

Top 40 was almost dead from the late 70's until late 1982/early 1983 so I wouldn't proclaim that as the savior for K-Earth. Not Top 40's best years for delivering hits between the death of disco and the beginning of the big years for KIIS and KROQ in this town.

The only time Jhani Kaye programmed a decent sounding station in this market was when he was pd of KBIG in the AMFM days. Since then, all he's done is ruin Los Angeles radio stations which is what he is currently doing to K-Earth.

I give K-Earth 2 or 3 more years, Then when they give it up, Saul will dump country on the FM and do oldies.

I can agree with you on many points, but I beg to differ that the only decent sounding station Kaye programmed was KBIG. While the processing at KOST has always been minimal, it sounded pretty damn good. Good enough to be number one in the city for more than two years back in the early 90's. But perhaps I'm confused, were you just talking processing only?

We also part company with regards to Top 40 being almost dead from the late 70's until late 1982/early 1983. Top 40 was doing fine in those years. For example, look at KFRC in San Francisco and in a multitude of other cities too. It may have had problems here and there as AOR was the king of the hill during those years, but almost dead? I think not...

Buy the way, Jhani's run at KBIG under AM/FM was pretty short. CC started making decisions not long after the merger was announced.

You must've worked at CC yourself as you seem to have a lot of inside info about the Burbank operation.
 
calguy said:
mostb1 said:
calguy said:
mostb1 said:
If I wanted to listen to music in a "natural way", I would listen to cd's. Toned down, he's almost eliminated the processing (and Jhani controls the minimal mic processing also). K-Earth was not overly compressed. In fact I don't feel it was compressed enough before Jhani came in (for the format). Right now, Jack is about the cleanest, loudest station on the dial (kudos to Scott Mason for that - too bad he can't get his old buddy Jhani Kaye to do the same on K-Earth). KIIS use to have the best processing but since Terry Grieger came in he's ruined the processing on all the Clear Channel L.A. stations. He should spend some time listening to Hot. The "noisiest" station in L.A.. Just listen when the music is low or their is dead air on Hot. Unbelievable it never gets cleaned up, year after year.

At KBIG, Jhani use to personally pre-process the music onto the Prophet system. Process the music BEFORE it went into the audio chain. How stupid was that? Thank goodness that practice ended when he was kicked out of the Burbank facility.

As for oldies, it is not just Movin. In the last year, 3 stations have added many of the same oldie titles to the competition in this market: Movin, V100 and K-Earth. And that's in addition to KJLH, KBIG and sister Hot, which shares in playing a number of the same titles with them.
Hot in its on air imaging is currently pointing out the fact there are now "immatators" to its format. Too many of them.

Top 40 was almost dead from the late 70's until late 1982/early 1983 so I wouldn't proclaim that as the savior for K-Earth. Not Top 40's best years for delivering hits between the death of disco and the beginning of the big years for KIIS and KROQ in this town.

The only time Jhani Kaye programmed a decent sounding station in this market was when he was pd of KBIG in the AMFM days. Since then, all he's done is ruin Los Angeles radio stations which is what he is currently doing to K-Earth.

I give K-Earth 2 or 3 more years, Then when they give it up, Saul will dump country on the FM and do oldies.

I can agree with you on many points, but I beg to differ that the only decent sounding station Kaye programmed was KBIG. While the processing at KOST has always been minimal, it sounded pretty damn good. Good enough to be number one in the city for more than two years back in the early 90's. But perhaps I'm confused, were you just talking processing only?

We also part company with regards to Top 40 being almost dead from the late 70's until late 1982/early 1983. Top 40 was doing fine in those years. For example, look at KFRC in San Francisco and in a multitude of other cities too. It may have had problems here and there as AOR was the king of the hill during those years, but almost dead? I think not...

Buy the way, Jhani's run at KBIG under AM/FM was pretty short. CC started making decisions not long after the merger was announced.

You must've worked at CC yourself as you seem to have a lot of inside info about the Burbank operation.

We're talking Los Angeles, not San Francisco.

Los Angeles had virtually no CHR during the period of time you listed. That was the anti-Disco and Urban Cowboy era. That was a time of movement of listeners from AM to FM. A time when Rick Carroll and Scott Mason were really cranking up the new wave format on KROQ. I would never compare San Francisco to Los Angeles or anywhere else in the nation from that time due to the unique problems FM had there with the terrain. KFRC was a great station at that time (I hold many airchecks from that era) but it didn't reflect the tastes in music in Los Angeles.

Storer Broadcasting sold Ten-Q and it went Spanish. Then they moved the format to FM as K-Hits 97 (dumping KGBS country) but Storer sold that to Greater Media and Bobby Rich under "Little Timmy Sullivan" had to change it to AC with Charlie Tuna in the am.

KHJ went from Boss to Hoss.

K-West 106, as a CHR under PD Chuck Martin (former KHJ) and Tim Sullivan as GM (former KHJ and KHTZ) never scored any ratings below the mid 1's. In fact, at one point they were a .7. Gee, sounds just like Movin 93.9.

KIIS went from dance to a Rock AC/personality format. That's when Dees started there. And Don Geronamo did a morning show from 7-12 Midnight. It was great (more CHR tunes were thrown in along with the regular format at night).

We lost Dance KUTE 102.

K-Earth was kinda CHR. A station with London & Engleman in the AM and Pat Evans at night playing Turning Japanese in 1980 must qualify it for being a quasi-CHR. It was live assist in the mornings and automated the remainder of the day, though.

KFI was CHR but never really got any ratings to write home about. Many good jocks and programmers went though there though, Jack Armstrong, Big Ron, Charley Fox, Lohman & Barkley, Doug Banks, Bobby Rich,..too many to list.

About all we had was Outlet Communications KIQQ (how could we ever forget the THANKS! blue and yellow bumper stickers). And that was pretty bad (they did have an adventurous and LONG current) playlist (sometimes more than 50 songs) but there were some good jocks there (Jay Coffey, Bruce Chandler Jim Carson), it was run by George Wilson and his wife Paula Matthews (along with Wilson's son G.W (double-ya) McCoy. That was the major problem.

KOST has flourished without Jhani (look at the numbers from the last book). Even with Spanish taking a huge share of the L.A. market today (vs. 15 years ago that you list), it's doing incredibly well without him and I am sure will continue to.
 
mostb1 said:
We're talking Los Angeles, not San Francisco.

Los Angeles had virtually no CHR during the period of time you listed. That was the anti-Disco and Urban Cowboy era. That was a time of movement of listeners from AM to FM. A time when Rick Carroll and Scott Mason were really cranking up the new wave format on KROQ. I would never compare San Francisco to Los Angeles or anywhere else in the nation from that time due to the unique problems FM had there with the terrain. KFRC was a great station at that time (I hold many airchecks from that era) but it didn't reflect the tastes in music in Los Angeles.

Storer Broadcasting sold Ten-Q and it went Spanish. Then they moved the format to FM as K-Hits 97 (dumping KGBS country) but Storer sold that to Greater Media and Bobby Rich under "Little Timmy Sullivan" had to change it to AC with Charlie Tuna in the am.

KHJ went from Boss to Hoss.

K-West 106, as a CHR under PD Chuck Martin (former KHJ) and Tim Sullivan as GM (former KHJ and KHTZ) never scored any ratings below the mid 1's. In fact, at one point they were a .7. Gee, sounds just like Movin 93.9.

KIIS went from dance to a Rock AC/personality format. That's when Dees started there. And Don Geronamo did a morning show from 7-12 Midnight. It was great (more CHR tunes were thrown in along with the regular format at night).

We lost Dance KUTE 102.

K-Earth was kinda CHR. A station with London & Engleman in the AM and Pat Evans at night playing Turning Japanese in 1980 must qualify it for being a quasi-CHR. It was live assist in the mornings and automated the remainder of the day, though.

KFI was CHR but never really got any ratings to write home about. Many good jocks and programmers went though there though, Jack Armstrong, Big Ron, Charley Fox, Lohman & Barkley, Doug Banks, Bobby Rich,..too many to list.

About all we had was Outlet Communications KIQQ (how could we ever forget the THANKS! blue and yellow bumper stickers). And that was pretty bad (they did have an adventurous and LONG current) playlist (sometimes more than 50 songs) but there were some good jocks there (Jay Coffey, Bruce Chandler Jim Carson), it was run by George Wilson and his wife Paula Matthews (along with Wilson's son G.W (double-ya) McCoy. That was the major problem.

KOST has flourished without Jhani (look at the numbers from the last book). Even with Spanish taking a huge share of the L.A. market today (vs. 15 years ago that you list), it's doing incredibly well without him and I am sure will continue to.



Okay, I can agree that CHR hit a rough patch in LA at that time. In my opinion K100 never sounded good after the Drake programming era. KHJ sounded decent under Chuck Martin, but by that AM Top 40 was really a no go, plus John Sebastian killed it anyway, and if AM was dying then K-West when programmed by Chuck Martin should have worked but for whatever reason never got support from the audience. The Super 64 KFI had a long line of great jocks, but John Rook was very hard to work for (kind of schizophrenic) and since it was AM it was doomed as well. K-Earth's problem back then was that it was automated and sounded like it.

I won't defend Jhani Kaye as I know how he works, but he did have success at KOST. I hear it’s a lot easier to work there now under Stella Schwartz and she's done a superb job with the music and even did right by bringing back original KOST jocks.

What passes for CHR now doesn't even resemble what it was and for the life of me I don't know why it's even called CHR anymore...
 
mostb1 said:
I give K-Earth 2 or 3 more years, Then when they give it up, Saul will dump country on the FM and do oldies.


That's right! I hadn't thought of that.

I hope oldies can stay on 101.1 as long as possible. Even though it can be dull, it's a nice little Los Angeles tradition, comforting like an Apple Pan burger, a Pink's hot dog, or a palm-tree lined street.
 
Chuck Martin's K-WEST had a 2.3 or so before Sullivan pulled the plug to go Magic, as I recall. I think given more time, they could have held off KIIS.
 
KRTH has been one of the premiere oldies stations in the US for years. Part of the success is re-creating the sound of years past. I say, leave the old processing, re-create the sound of yester-year, and don't try to re-invent the wheel. Listeners who loved the music from the 60's & 70's probably love the style of radio too. Don't change it for the sake of trying to sound like a "today" radio station. The nostalgia of the music is not far removed from the nostalgia of the radio style. (BTW, I'm 35 years old, and am not trying to live in the past!)
 
rwagoner said:
Chuck Martin's K-WEST had a 2.3 or so before Sullivan pulled the plug to go Magic, as I recall. I think given more time, they could have held off KIIS.

You don't know your Los Angeles radio history very well.

First, I know this well as I hold thousands of hours of airchecks from Los Angeles radio during the 1980's that I personally taped. I use to aircheck like mad (I am not kidding). I taped the original aircheck of Rick Dees first shift which years ago was copied everywhere (he was on at 11 PM on a Saturday night). I also hold an unscoped aircheck of the first day of K-West 106 on Wednesday night 6/24/1981 (Chuck Martin first jock, "Ain't No Stoppin' Us Now" first song...and Bobby Ocean was the last jock on the AOR format, btw). I also have the entire first shift of London & Engleman and Bobby Ocean at Top 40 K-West 106 from the next morning.

I am, as I post this, listening to an aircheck that I personally taped from early 10/1982. "KWST Los Angeles has become The New Sound of Magic 106"..and it had already become AC. London and Engleman were still there under the AC format that Jeff Salgo instituted (who replaced Chuck Martin at the Century Communications station). Dana Lauren did middays. Lauie Allen nights.

KIIS WAS NOT Top 40 at the time that K-West became Magic 106. K-West 106 NEVER acheived a 2.3. Never! It never got about the 1's.

Also on the aircheck I am listening to is Rick Dees from 10/1982. KIIS hadn't even started to become Top 40 again then. Rick was GREAT then, though (I hear what is missing from his show at Movin...it was Rick, Rick and ONLY Rick doing great bits). Great live and pre-taped spots from "The Lab" (radio d.j. school), Hiney Wine ("The wine that made Inglewood" "Hiney in the morning, hiney in the afternoon, hiney at at supper time...great jingle his people made up, too.), Liz "Rug burns" Fulton, Dees doing live tags like "Head products are available at Vons. Get Head at Vons". And Rick really talking WITH the listeners. Dees was playing Dan Fogelburg, Chicago, Neil Diamond, Barbara Streisand & Berry Gibb, Fleetwood Mac (Gypsy)...Men at Work (Who Can It Be Now) was the most uptempo Top 40 tune during the two plus hours of his shift that I've heard again so far (the i.d. was very ACish (in a softer tone)..."102.7 KIIS-FM is KIIS Los Angeles"...and that was it - over music). Not Top 40 yet but I can feel the beginning of the coming evolution back to top 40...

Also on my tape is K-Earth with Pat Evans. KIIS shared many Rock AC tunes with them.

So, K-West was really only around about 15 months. And many changes occured during that time (including Ocean leaving). It was never a factor in the Los Angeles radio ratings.
 
searadiofreak said:
KRTH has been one of the premiere oldies stations in the US for years. Part of the success is re-creating the sound of years past. I say, leave the old processing, re-create the sound of yester-year, and don't try to re-invent the wheel. Listeners who loved the music from the 60's & 70's probably love the style of radio too. Don't change it for the sake of trying to sound like a "today" radio station. The nostalgia of the music is not far removed from the nostalgia of the radio style. (BTW, I'm 35 years old, and am not trying to live in the past!)

I'm currently listening to K-Earth from 1982. It was highly processed. They played "Our Lips Are Sealed" and "Turning Japanese" during the early 80's (although it was live assist and automated during the late 70's and early 80's). I don't hear those classic songs on K-Earth. And the jocks could talk about fun things and things in the community without a bunch of moronic positioning statements that have never meant anything to anyone except for a few consultants that have to figure out how to keep their bloated fees. K-Earth was SO MUCH better then than Jhani Kaye has made it. All he is doing is putting one more nail in it's coffin. It's sad that Jack is really the most creative, fun station in L.A. now.
 
"KWST Los Angeles has become the New Sound of Magic Radio, Magic 106 FM, I'm (d.j. name)" is how the new live i.d. went on the new Magic, correcting what I posted above. The closest date I have listed on my airchecks from that time is 10/8/1982 although I am not sure of the exact date change from K-West 106 (top 40) to Magic 106 (what we may call a bright AC today).
 
mostb1 said:
rwagoner said:
Chuck Martin's K-WEST had a 2.3 or so before Sullivan pulled the plug to go Magic, as I recall. I think given more time, they could have held off KIIS.

You don't know your Los Angeles radio history very well.

First, I know this well as I hold thousands of hours of airchecks from Los Angeles radio during the 1980's that I personally taped. I use to aircheck like mad (I am not kidding). I taped the original aircheck of Rick Dees first shift which years ago was copied everywhere (he was on at 11 PM on a Saturday night). I also hold an unscoped aircheck of the first day of K-West 106 on Wednesday night 6/24/1981 (Chuck Martin first jock, "Ain't No Stoppin' Us Now" first song...and Bobby Ocean was the last jock on the AOR format, btw). I also have the entire first shift of London & Engleman and Bobby Ocean at Top 40 K-West 106 from the next morning.

I am, as I post this, listening to an aircheck that I personally taped from early 10/1982. "KWST Los Angeles has become The New Sound of Magic 106"..and it had already become AC. London and Engleman were still there under the AC format that Jeff Salgo instituted (who replaced Chuck Martin at the Century Communications station). Dana Lauren did middays. Lauie Allen nights.

KIIS WAS NOT Top 40 at the time that K-West became Magic 106. K-West 106 NEVER acheived a 2.3. Never! It never got about the 1's.

Also on the aircheck I am listening to is Rick Dees from 10/1982. KIIS hadn't even started to become Top 40 again then. Rick was GREAT then, though (I hear what is missing from his show at Movin...it was Rick, Rick and ONLY Rick doing great bits). Great live and pre-taped spots from "The Lab" (radio d.j. school), Hiney Wine ("The wine that made Inglewood" "Hiney in the morning, hiney in the afternoon, hiney at at supper time...great jingle his people made up, too.), Liz "Rug burns" Fulton, Dees doing live tags like "Head products are available at Vons. Get Head at Vons". And Rick really talking WITH the listeners. Dees was playing Dan Fogelburg, Chicago, Neil Diamond, Barbara Streisand & Berry Gibb, Fleetwood Mac (Gypsy)...Men at Work (Who Can It Be Now) was the most uptempo Top 40 tune during the two plus hours of his shift that I've heard again so far (the i.d. was very ACish (in a softer tone)..."102.7 KIIS-FM is KIIS Los Angeles"...and that was it - over music). Not Top 40 yet but I can feel the beginning of the coming evolution back to top 40...

Also on my tape is K-Earth with Pat Evans. KIIS shared many Rock AC tunes with them.

So, K-West was really only around about 15 months. And many changes occured during that time (including Ocean leaving). It was never a factor in the Los Angeles radio ratings.

What is Jeff Salgo doing these days?
 
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