Listened to 1530 last night to the end of the Niner broadcast (11pm) and I heard Rod Brooks do a recap of all the sports scores. Id'ing the station as KNBR 1050 and 107.7 The Bone. (Not 49er radio network or anything like that)KFBK didn't ID themselves even at breaks. Bad radio! I know this is a direct simulcast, but wouldn't it benefit the station to have some sort of ID especially when they're carrying a Bay Area feed? I know the answer, but would enjoy reading your comments.
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salesslap
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> Listened to 1530 last night to the end of the Niner
> broadcast (11pm) and I heard Rod Brooks do a recap of all
> the sports scores. Id'ing the station as KNBR 1050 and 107.7
> The Bone. (Not 49er radio network or anything like that)KFBK
> didn't ID themselves even at breaks. Bad radio! I know this
> is a direct simulcast, but wouldn't it benefit the station
> to have some sort of ID especially when they're carrying a
> Bay Area feed? I know the answer, but would enjoy reading
> your comments.
>
Nice...
Although those of us in the business know how it's done, it's never a good idea to allow the listener to "peak behind the curtain" and figure out that it's a KNBR broadcast instead of a KFBK broadcast. There should be some sort of internal signal which triggers the KFBK board op to run local IDs and/or local spots if necessary. Hopefully, KFBK will improve after not broadcasting sports in a loooooooong time.
-salesslap
> broadcast (11pm) and I heard Rod Brooks do a recap of all
> the sports scores. Id'ing the station as KNBR 1050 and 107.7
> The Bone. (Not 49er radio network or anything like that)KFBK
> didn't ID themselves even at breaks. Bad radio! I know this
> is a direct simulcast, but wouldn't it benefit the station
> to have some sort of ID especially when they're carrying a
> Bay Area feed? I know the answer, but would enjoy reading
> your comments.
>
Nice...
Although those of us in the business know how it's done, it's never a good idea to allow the listener to "peak behind the curtain" and figure out that it's a KNBR broadcast instead of a KFBK broadcast. There should be some sort of internal signal which triggers the KFBK board op to run local IDs and/or local spots if necessary. Hopefully, KFBK will improve after not broadcasting sports in a loooooooong time.
-salesslap
M
mrpariot
Guest
> > Listened to 1530 last night to the end of the Niner
> > broadcast (11pm) and I heard Rod Brooks do a recap of all
> > the sports scores. Id'ing the station as KNBR 1050 and
> 107.7
> > The Bone. (Not 49er radio network or anything like
> that)KFBK
> > didn't ID themselves even at breaks. Bad radio! I know
> this
> > is a direct simulcast, but wouldn't it benefit the station
>
> > to have some sort of ID especially when they're carrying a
>
> > Bay Area feed? I know the answer, but would enjoy reading
> > your comments.
> >
>
> Nice...
> Although those of us in the business know how it's done,
> it's never a good idea to allow the listener to "peak behind
> the curtain" and figure out that it's a KNBR broadcast
> instead of a KFBK broadcast. There should be some sort of
> internal signal which triggers the KFBK board op to run
> local IDs and/or local spots if necessary. Hopefully, KFBK
> will improve after not broadcasting sports in a loooooooong
> time.
> -salesslap
>
Sadly, it happens a lot! When KHTK and the Raiders network stations clear the football games, you won't go through an entire broadcast without hearing KSFO's calls, either in a commercial spot or a "live" spot read by the talent. The stations can't do much about it, since they usually don't know its coming.
> > broadcast (11pm) and I heard Rod Brooks do a recap of all
> > the sports scores. Id'ing the station as KNBR 1050 and
> 107.7
> > The Bone. (Not 49er radio network or anything like
> that)KFBK
> > didn't ID themselves even at breaks. Bad radio! I know
> this
> > is a direct simulcast, but wouldn't it benefit the station
>
> > to have some sort of ID especially when they're carrying a
>
> > Bay Area feed? I know the answer, but would enjoy reading
> > your comments.
> >
>
> Nice...
> Although those of us in the business know how it's done,
> it's never a good idea to allow the listener to "peak behind
> the curtain" and figure out that it's a KNBR broadcast
> instead of a KFBK broadcast. There should be some sort of
> internal signal which triggers the KFBK board op to run
> local IDs and/or local spots if necessary. Hopefully, KFBK
> will improve after not broadcasting sports in a loooooooong
> time.
> -salesslap
>
Sadly, it happens a lot! When KHTK and the Raiders network stations clear the football games, you won't go through an entire broadcast without hearing KSFO's calls, either in a commercial spot or a "live" spot read by the talent. The stations can't do much about it, since they usually don't know its coming.
> > > Listened to 1530 last night to the end of the Niner
> > > broadcast (11pm) and I heard Rod Brooks do a recap of
> all
> > > the sports scores. Id'ing the station as KNBR 1050 and
> > 107.7
> > > The Bone. (Not 49er radio network or anything like
> > that)KFBK
> > > didn't ID themselves even at breaks. Bad radio! I know
> > this
> > > is a direct simulcast, but wouldn't it benefit the
> station
> >
> > > to have some sort of ID especially when they're carrying
> a
> >
> > > Bay Area feed? I know the answer, but would enjoy
> reading
> > > your comments.
> > >
> >
> > Nice...
> > Although those of us in the business know how it's done,
> > it's never a good idea to allow the listener to "peak
> behind
> > the curtain" and figure out that it's a KNBR broadcast
> > instead of a KFBK broadcast. There should be some sort of
> > internal signal which triggers the KFBK board op to run
> > local IDs and/or local spots if necessary. Hopefully, KFBK
>
> > will improve after not broadcasting sports in a
> loooooooong
> > time.
> > -salesslap
> >
> Sadly, it happens a lot! When KHTK and the Raiders network
> stations clear the football games, you won't go through an
> entire broadcast without hearing KSFO's calls, either in a
> commercial spot or a "live" spot read by the talent. The
> stations can't do much about it, since they usually don't
> know its coming.
>
But see, that's just it. They do know it's coming if they paid attention. All they need is the logs and that'd show when a local avail was coming. I switched back and forth and KFBK was playing their own commercials. In the Bay Area, when KGO would run Niner games, a tone was set up to trigger affiliates' own id's and commercials. Probably a technical nightmare, but the capability is there. I know this has also been done on A's broadcasts.
But this airing on Thursday night was like the board op never switched back to KFBK programming and left KNBR on. Because of the host, I couldn't listen that long to find out when they switched.
> > > broadcast (11pm) and I heard Rod Brooks do a recap of
> all
> > > the sports scores. Id'ing the station as KNBR 1050 and
> > 107.7
> > > The Bone. (Not 49er radio network or anything like
> > that)KFBK
> > > didn't ID themselves even at breaks. Bad radio! I know
> > this
> > > is a direct simulcast, but wouldn't it benefit the
> station
> >
> > > to have some sort of ID especially when they're carrying
> a
> >
> > > Bay Area feed? I know the answer, but would enjoy
> reading
> > > your comments.
> > >
> >
> > Nice...
> > Although those of us in the business know how it's done,
> > it's never a good idea to allow the listener to "peak
> behind
> > the curtain" and figure out that it's a KNBR broadcast
> > instead of a KFBK broadcast. There should be some sort of
> > internal signal which triggers the KFBK board op to run
> > local IDs and/or local spots if necessary. Hopefully, KFBK
>
> > will improve after not broadcasting sports in a
> loooooooong
> > time.
> > -salesslap
> >
> Sadly, it happens a lot! When KHTK and the Raiders network
> stations clear the football games, you won't go through an
> entire broadcast without hearing KSFO's calls, either in a
> commercial spot or a "live" spot read by the talent. The
> stations can't do much about it, since they usually don't
> know its coming.
>
But see, that's just it. They do know it's coming if they paid attention. All they need is the logs and that'd show when a local avail was coming. I switched back and forth and KFBK was playing their own commercials. In the Bay Area, when KGO would run Niner games, a tone was set up to trigger affiliates' own id's and commercials. Probably a technical nightmare, but the capability is there. I know this has also been done on A's broadcasts.
But this airing on Thursday night was like the board op never switched back to KFBK programming and left KNBR on. Because of the host, I couldn't listen that long to find out when they switched.
> Listened to 1530 last night to the end of the Niner
> broadcast (11pm) and I heard Rod Brooks do a recap of all
> the sports scores. Id'ing the station as KNBR 1050 and 107.7
> The Bone. (Not 49er radio network or anything like that)KFBK
> didn't ID themselves even at breaks. Bad radio! I know this
> is a direct simulcast, but wouldn't it benefit the station
> to have some sort of ID especially when they're carrying a
> Bay Area feed? I know the answer, but would enjoy reading
> your comments.
>
You are incorrect. KFBK DOES NOT simulcast KNBR or The Bone out of San Francisco. KFBK pulls a direct feed from the 49er Radio Network from satelitte.
It would appear that the talent who was on air was unaware that the 49er Radio Network was providing content to KFBK.
Please have your facts straight before you come on the board and slam a person or station.
As far as the missing ID's, I agree, that is bad radio.<P ID="signature">______________
If you put your mind to it, you can accomplish anything...</P>
> broadcast (11pm) and I heard Rod Brooks do a recap of all
> the sports scores. Id'ing the station as KNBR 1050 and 107.7
> The Bone. (Not 49er radio network or anything like that)KFBK
> didn't ID themselves even at breaks. Bad radio! I know this
> is a direct simulcast, but wouldn't it benefit the station
> to have some sort of ID especially when they're carrying a
> Bay Area feed? I know the answer, but would enjoy reading
> your comments.
>
You are incorrect. KFBK DOES NOT simulcast KNBR or The Bone out of San Francisco. KFBK pulls a direct feed from the 49er Radio Network from satelitte.
It would appear that the talent who was on air was unaware that the 49er Radio Network was providing content to KFBK.
Please have your facts straight before you come on the board and slam a person or station.
As far as the missing ID's, I agree, that is bad radio.<P ID="signature">______________
If you put your mind to it, you can accomplish anything...</P>
I Blame San Francisco
> But this airing on Thursday night was like the board op
> never switched back to KFBK programming and left KNBR on.
> Because of the host, I couldn't listen that long to find out
> when they switched.
This was what, KFBK's third preseason game?
Trust me when I tell you this...I would almost assuredly blame San Francisco on this one.
Even the vaunted KGO's operation of the 49ers Radio Network was often a mess. I remember when Cool 101 had the Niners, and I kept hearing stories about how badly KGO messed up either A) the program logs or B) didn't keep to the assigned clock or C) just threw in KGO-only content whenever they felt like it. When I heard these complaints, I saw the logs, and the local board op in Sacramento was correct.
I would not be terribly surprised if KNBR/107.7 is doing the same, especially after only having the games for a few weeks.
The other thing I don't know is if Susquehanna is actually calling the network "The KNBR/Bone 49ers Radio Network", even in non-local segments. WJFK/Washington does this for the Redskins, and it's quite common. And like KGO and KNBR, WJFK has also not exactly run a tight ship when it comes to sticking to preassigned clocks...I've heard WJFK local traffic reports 4 hours away in Roanoke, at no fault of the local affiliate.
The other problem in this scenario - KNBR recently lost long-time program director Bob Agnew in the whole Larry Krueger controversy.
-OA<P ID="signature">______________
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> But this airing on Thursday night was like the board op
> never switched back to KFBK programming and left KNBR on.
> Because of the host, I couldn't listen that long to find out
> when they switched.
This was what, KFBK's third preseason game?
Trust me when I tell you this...I would almost assuredly blame San Francisco on this one.
Even the vaunted KGO's operation of the 49ers Radio Network was often a mess. I remember when Cool 101 had the Niners, and I kept hearing stories about how badly KGO messed up either A) the program logs or B) didn't keep to the assigned clock or C) just threw in KGO-only content whenever they felt like it. When I heard these complaints, I saw the logs, and the local board op in Sacramento was correct.
I would not be terribly surprised if KNBR/107.7 is doing the same, especially after only having the games for a few weeks.
The other thing I don't know is if Susquehanna is actually calling the network "The KNBR/Bone 49ers Radio Network", even in non-local segments. WJFK/Washington does this for the Redskins, and it's quite common. And like KGO and KNBR, WJFK has also not exactly run a tight ship when it comes to sticking to preassigned clocks...I've heard WJFK local traffic reports 4 hours away in Roanoke, at no fault of the local affiliate.
The other problem in this scenario - KNBR recently lost long-time program director Bob Agnew in the whole Larry Krueger controversy.
-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
Re: I Blame San Francisco
OA gets in my corner... Thanks to my far off Ohio brother!
OA - your blue ribbon is in the mail.<P ID="signature">______________
If you put your mind to it, you can accomplish anything...</P>
OA gets in my corner... Thanks to my far off Ohio brother!
OA - your blue ribbon is in the mail.<P ID="signature">______________
If you put your mind to it, you can accomplish anything...</P>
Re: I Blame San Francisco
> OA gets in my corner... Thanks to my far off Ohio brother!
>
> OA - your blue ribbon is in the mail.
>
Did not mean to slam anyone, and I forgot the sensitivities of posters. Oops... So now knowing the facts and now stating them, rather than bashing me on a radio board, try fixing a real problem in Ohio...like the 13% of the pregnant high schoolers in Canton. I know one has nothing to do with the other but I'll feel free to bash a station if it deserves it. Thank you!
> OA gets in my corner... Thanks to my far off Ohio brother!
>
> OA - your blue ribbon is in the mail.
>
Did not mean to slam anyone, and I forgot the sensitivities of posters. Oops... So now knowing the facts and now stating them, rather than bashing me on a radio board, try fixing a real problem in Ohio...like the 13% of the pregnant high schoolers in Canton. I know one has nothing to do with the other but I'll feel free to bash a station if it deserves it. Thank you!
"Bashing"
> Did not mean to slam anyone, and I forgot the sensitivities
> of posters. Oops... So now knowing the facts and now stating
> them, rather than bashing me on a radio board, try fixing a
> real problem in Ohio...like the 13% of the pregnant high
> schoolers in Canton. I know one has nothing to do with the
> other but I'll feel free to bash a station if it deserves
> it. Thank you!
Hey, you have me all wrong.
I was providing my own perspective on the situation, and did not mean at all to "bash" you. I have been "in the loop" in situations like this. I pointed out my previous experience, hearing former 49ers flagship KGO basically throw out the clock and throw in local references and programming whenever they felt like it.
One time, I was with the Cool 101 49ers board op - a very smart radio guy, not someone who just came in from his second job as a greeter at Wal-Mart - during one of their games. He was meticulous about keeping track of the breaks and keeping track of where they were in the game. I'd just come into the studio before the next break hit, and he looked down at the log and said "what the heck are they doing down there?"
Looking at the log, which he had followed 100% before that "break", it turned out that KGO decided it needed to throw in another local break, which wasn't scheduled there (or anywhere near there). The lead item in the break was a KGO local station promo.
The problem is simple - "flagship" radio stations are basically 99.9% concentrating on how the game sounds ON THEIR STATION. And especially considering that KNBR's programming management has changed recently - with the loss of veteran PD Bob Agnew - it would not surprise me if keeping to the "network clock" is the last thing on their minds. And as I also mentioned, radio networks are offering up pre-and-post-game shows primarily intended for the "home" station, but calling the show "The (Station Name) Post-Game Show".
You seemed convinced that some KFBK board op was sitting on the throne and missing covering KNBR/The Bone's local spot load or programming. I just gave a number of reasons why that may not be the case. I could, of course, be wrong... and considering the programming/management state of KFBK right now, maybe I am!
-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
> Did not mean to slam anyone, and I forgot the sensitivities
> of posters. Oops... So now knowing the facts and now stating
> them, rather than bashing me on a radio board, try fixing a
> real problem in Ohio...like the 13% of the pregnant high
> schoolers in Canton. I know one has nothing to do with the
> other but I'll feel free to bash a station if it deserves
> it. Thank you!
Hey, you have me all wrong.
I was providing my own perspective on the situation, and did not mean at all to "bash" you. I have been "in the loop" in situations like this. I pointed out my previous experience, hearing former 49ers flagship KGO basically throw out the clock and throw in local references and programming whenever they felt like it.
One time, I was with the Cool 101 49ers board op - a very smart radio guy, not someone who just came in from his second job as a greeter at Wal-Mart - during one of their games. He was meticulous about keeping track of the breaks and keeping track of where they were in the game. I'd just come into the studio before the next break hit, and he looked down at the log and said "what the heck are they doing down there?"
Looking at the log, which he had followed 100% before that "break", it turned out that KGO decided it needed to throw in another local break, which wasn't scheduled there (or anywhere near there). The lead item in the break was a KGO local station promo.
The problem is simple - "flagship" radio stations are basically 99.9% concentrating on how the game sounds ON THEIR STATION. And especially considering that KNBR's programming management has changed recently - with the loss of veteran PD Bob Agnew - it would not surprise me if keeping to the "network clock" is the last thing on their minds. And as I also mentioned, radio networks are offering up pre-and-post-game shows primarily intended for the "home" station, but calling the show "The (Station Name) Post-Game Show".
You seemed convinced that some KFBK board op was sitting on the throne and missing covering KNBR/The Bone's local spot load or programming. I just gave a number of reasons why that may not be the case. I could, of course, be wrong... and considering the programming/management state of KFBK right now, maybe I am!
-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
Re: "Bashing"
One other factor to consider.... Announcers not following the log and giving incorrect break cues. If you want ever want to screw up a network, have the announcer throw it to a network break, when it's supposed to be a local.
> > Did not mean to slam anyone, and I forgot the
> sensitivities
> > of posters. Oops... So now knowing the facts and now
> stating
> > them, rather than bashing me on a radio board, try fixing
> a
> > real problem in Ohio...like the 13% of the pregnant high
> > schoolers in Canton. I know one has nothing to do with the
>
> > other but I'll feel free to bash a station if it deserves
> > it. Thank you!
>
> Hey, you have me all wrong.
>
> I was providing my own perspective on the situation, and did
> not mean at all to "bash" you. I have been "in the loop" in
> situations like this. I pointed out my previous experience,
> hearing former 49ers flagship KGO basically throw out the
> clock and throw in local references and programming whenever
> they felt like it.
>
> One time, I was with the Cool 101 49ers board op - a very
> smart radio guy, not someone who just came in from his
> second job as a greeter at Wal-Mart - during one of their
> games. He was meticulous about keeping track of the breaks
> and keeping track of where they were in the game. I'd just
> come into the studio before the next break hit, and he
> looked down at the log and said "what the heck are they
> doing down there?"
>
> Looking at the log, which he had followed 100% before that
> "break", it turned out that KGO decided it needed to throw
> in another local break, which wasn't scheduled there (or
> anywhere near there). The lead item in the break was a KGO
> local station promo.
>
> The problem is simple - "flagship" radio stations are
> basically 99.9% concentrating on how the game sounds ON
> THEIR STATION. And especially considering that KNBR's
> programming management has changed recently - with the loss
> of veteran PD Bob Agnew - it would not surprise me if
> keeping to the "network clock" is the last thing on their
> minds. And as I also mentioned, radio networks are offering
> up pre-and-post-game shows primarily intended for the "home"
> station, but calling the show "The (Station Name) Post-Game
> Show".
>
> You seemed convinced that some KFBK board op was sitting on
> the throne and missing covering KNBR/The Bone's local spot
> load or programming. I just gave a number of reasons why
> that may not be the case. I could, of course, be wrong...
> and considering the programming/management state of KFBK
> right now, maybe I am!
>
> -OA
>
One other factor to consider.... Announcers not following the log and giving incorrect break cues. If you want ever want to screw up a network, have the announcer throw it to a network break, when it's supposed to be a local.
> > Did not mean to slam anyone, and I forgot the
> sensitivities
> > of posters. Oops... So now knowing the facts and now
> stating
> > them, rather than bashing me on a radio board, try fixing
> a
> > real problem in Ohio...like the 13% of the pregnant high
> > schoolers in Canton. I know one has nothing to do with the
>
> > other but I'll feel free to bash a station if it deserves
> > it. Thank you!
>
> Hey, you have me all wrong.
>
> I was providing my own perspective on the situation, and did
> not mean at all to "bash" you. I have been "in the loop" in
> situations like this. I pointed out my previous experience,
> hearing former 49ers flagship KGO basically throw out the
> clock and throw in local references and programming whenever
> they felt like it.
>
> One time, I was with the Cool 101 49ers board op - a very
> smart radio guy, not someone who just came in from his
> second job as a greeter at Wal-Mart - during one of their
> games. He was meticulous about keeping track of the breaks
> and keeping track of where they were in the game. I'd just
> come into the studio before the next break hit, and he
> looked down at the log and said "what the heck are they
> doing down there?"
>
> Looking at the log, which he had followed 100% before that
> "break", it turned out that KGO decided it needed to throw
> in another local break, which wasn't scheduled there (or
> anywhere near there). The lead item in the break was a KGO
> local station promo.
>
> The problem is simple - "flagship" radio stations are
> basically 99.9% concentrating on how the game sounds ON
> THEIR STATION. And especially considering that KNBR's
> programming management has changed recently - with the loss
> of veteran PD Bob Agnew - it would not surprise me if
> keeping to the "network clock" is the last thing on their
> minds. And as I also mentioned, radio networks are offering
> up pre-and-post-game shows primarily intended for the "home"
> station, but calling the show "The (Station Name) Post-Game
> Show".
>
> You seemed convinced that some KFBK board op was sitting on
> the throne and missing covering KNBR/The Bone's local spot
> load or programming. I just gave a number of reasons why
> that may not be the case. I could, of course, be wrong...
> and considering the programming/management state of KFBK
> right now, maybe I am!
>
> -OA
>
Points well taken...
OA and Anon...points well taken. Hopefully no feelings are hurt. One caveat to this is that I know for a fact that KGO has had their games produced and/or had their production done by an outside source from North Carolina. The outside source tried to have people in NC voice the spots and then tried to have KGO play them. A big No No on a big Union station. You may or may not remember when duh Raiduhs returned from LA back in the 90's, their games were on AM and FM in SF. Those games were produced by the same group that last year did the Niners game for KGO. And even then it was a cluster"m"uck. My point may have been summed up by Anon. As much as I can't stand the host ...Brooks... it was probably his error and not KFBK's. It still sounded weird.
> One other factor to consider.... Announcers not following
> the log and giving incorrect break cues. If you want ever
> want to screw up a network, have the announcer throw it to a
> network break, when it's supposed to be a local.
>
>
> > > Did not mean to slam anyone, and I forgot the
> > sensitivities
> > > of posters. Oops... So now knowing the facts and now
> > stating
> > > them, rather than bashing me on a radio board, try
> fixing
> > a
> > > real problem in Ohio...like the 13% of the pregnant high
>
> > > schoolers in Canton. I know one has nothing to do with
> the
> >
> > > other but I'll feel free to bash a station if it
> deserves
> > > it. Thank you!
> >
> > Hey, you have me all wrong.
> >
> > I was providing my own perspective on the situation, and
> did
> > not mean at all to "bash" you. I have been "in the loop"
> in
> > situations like this. I pointed out my previous
> experience,
> > hearing former 49ers flagship KGO basically throw out the
> > clock and throw in local references and programming
> whenever
> > they felt like it.
> >
> > One time, I was with the Cool 101 49ers board op - a very
> > smart radio guy, not someone who just came in from his
> > second job as a greeter at Wal-Mart - during one of their
> > games. He was meticulous about keeping track of the
> breaks
> > and keeping track of where they were in the game. I'd
> just
> > come into the studio before the next break hit, and he
> > looked down at the log and said "what the heck are they
> > doing down there?"
> >
> > Looking at the log, which he had followed 100% before that
>
> > "break", it turned out that KGO decided it needed to throw
>
> > in another local break, which wasn't scheduled there (or
> > anywhere near there). The lead item in the break was a
> KGO
> > local station promo.
> >
> > The problem is simple - "flagship" radio stations are
> > basically 99.9% concentrating on how the game sounds ON
> > THEIR STATION. And especially considering that KNBR's
> > programming management has changed recently - with the
> loss
> > of veteran PD Bob Agnew - it would not surprise me if
> > keeping to the "network clock" is the last thing on their
> > minds. And as I also mentioned, radio networks are
> offering
> > up pre-and-post-game shows primarily intended for the
> "home"
> > station, but calling the show "The (Station Name)
> Post-Game
> > Show".
> >
> > You seemed convinced that some KFBK board op was sitting
> on
> > the throne and missing covering KNBR/The Bone's local spot
>
> > load or programming. I just gave a number of reasons why
> > that may not be the case. I could, of course, be wrong...
>
> > and considering the programming/management state of KFBK
> > right now, maybe I am!
> >
> > -OA
> >
>
OA and Anon...points well taken. Hopefully no feelings are hurt. One caveat to this is that I know for a fact that KGO has had their games produced and/or had their production done by an outside source from North Carolina. The outside source tried to have people in NC voice the spots and then tried to have KGO play them. A big No No on a big Union station. You may or may not remember when duh Raiduhs returned from LA back in the 90's, their games were on AM and FM in SF. Those games were produced by the same group that last year did the Niners game for KGO. And even then it was a cluster"m"uck. My point may have been summed up by Anon. As much as I can't stand the host ...Brooks... it was probably his error and not KFBK's. It still sounded weird.
> One other factor to consider.... Announcers not following
> the log and giving incorrect break cues. If you want ever
> want to screw up a network, have the announcer throw it to a
> network break, when it's supposed to be a local.
>
>
> > > Did not mean to slam anyone, and I forgot the
> > sensitivities
> > > of posters. Oops... So now knowing the facts and now
> > stating
> > > them, rather than bashing me on a radio board, try
> fixing
> > a
> > > real problem in Ohio...like the 13% of the pregnant high
>
> > > schoolers in Canton. I know one has nothing to do with
> the
> >
> > > other but I'll feel free to bash a station if it
> deserves
> > > it. Thank you!
> >
> > Hey, you have me all wrong.
> >
> > I was providing my own perspective on the situation, and
> did
> > not mean at all to "bash" you. I have been "in the loop"
> in
> > situations like this. I pointed out my previous
> experience,
> > hearing former 49ers flagship KGO basically throw out the
> > clock and throw in local references and programming
> whenever
> > they felt like it.
> >
> > One time, I was with the Cool 101 49ers board op - a very
> > smart radio guy, not someone who just came in from his
> > second job as a greeter at Wal-Mart - during one of their
> > games. He was meticulous about keeping track of the
> breaks
> > and keeping track of where they were in the game. I'd
> just
> > come into the studio before the next break hit, and he
> > looked down at the log and said "what the heck are they
> > doing down there?"
> >
> > Looking at the log, which he had followed 100% before that
>
> > "break", it turned out that KGO decided it needed to throw
>
> > in another local break, which wasn't scheduled there (or
> > anywhere near there). The lead item in the break was a
> KGO
> > local station promo.
> >
> > The problem is simple - "flagship" radio stations are
> > basically 99.9% concentrating on how the game sounds ON
> > THEIR STATION. And especially considering that KNBR's
> > programming management has changed recently - with the
> loss
> > of veteran PD Bob Agnew - it would not surprise me if
> > keeping to the "network clock" is the last thing on their
> > minds. And as I also mentioned, radio networks are
> offering
> > up pre-and-post-game shows primarily intended for the
> "home"
> > station, but calling the show "The (Station Name)
> Post-Game
> > Show".
> >
> > You seemed convinced that some KFBK board op was sitting
> on
> > the throne and missing covering KNBR/The Bone's local spot
>
> > load or programming. I just gave a number of reasons why
> > that may not be the case. I could, of course, be wrong...
>
> > and considering the programming/management state of KFBK
> > right now, maybe I am!
> >
> > -OA
> >
>
Re: Points well taken...
> My point may have been summed up by
> Anon. As much as I can't stand the host ...Brooks... it was
> probably his error and not KFBK's. It still sounded weird.
And after many years of hearing sports announcers - and other announcers on game feeds - mess up what's supposed to be a standard cue to a local or network break, I'd tend to agree.
Even the venerable Commander Bill, KFBK's traffic voice for nearly a generation, had trouble with it at times, when his reports were simulcast on the then-Kings Radio Network (up until 1994) and the Sacramento Gold Miners Radio Network (CFL team, in the mid-90's).
And on that same Gold Miners network, which may or may not have been run in studio by someone posting on this thread, one of the play-by-play guys was infamous for stumbling over the toss to break.
Thanks for understanding!
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> My point may have been summed up by
> Anon. As much as I can't stand the host ...Brooks... it was
> probably his error and not KFBK's. It still sounded weird.
And after many years of hearing sports announcers - and other announcers on game feeds - mess up what's supposed to be a standard cue to a local or network break, I'd tend to agree.
Even the venerable Commander Bill, KFBK's traffic voice for nearly a generation, had trouble with it at times, when his reports were simulcast on the then-Kings Radio Network (up until 1994) and the Sacramento Gold Miners Radio Network (CFL team, in the mid-90's).
And on that same Gold Miners network, which may or may not have been run in studio by someone posting on this thread, one of the play-by-play guys was infamous for stumbling over the toss to break.
Thanks for understanding!
-OA<P ID="signature">______________
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