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ibezdechi
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Any word on what's going on with the rebuild of KFI's tower and antenna?
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> Any word on what's going on with the rebuild of KFI's tower
> and antenna?
They are stil working on getting permits. Q2 of 2006 is the estimate.
> and antenna?
They are stil working on getting permits. Q2 of 2006 is the estimate.
The events of the past week should indicate to everyone the vital importance of communications in a time of emergency. KFI is a full-power, full service station that provides a valuable service these times. Restoring the signal should be of the utmost importance and permit delays should be deemed unacceptable for public safety reasons if for no other.
All they want is to build back what they already had.
> They are stil working on getting permits. Q2 of 2006 is the
> estimate.
>
> > Any word on what's going on with the rebuild of KFI's
> tower
> > and antenna?
>
>
All they want is to build back what they already had.
> They are stil working on getting permits. Q2 of 2006 is the
> estimate.
>
> > Any word on what's going on with the rebuild of KFI's
> tower
> > and antenna?
>
>
> The events of the past week should indicate to everyone the
> vital importance of communications in a time of emergency.
> KFI is a full-power, full service station that provides a
> valuable service these times. Restoring the signal should be
> of the utmost importance and permit delays should be deemed
> unacceptable for public safety reasons if for no other.
It is on the air with 25 kw and the metro area signal is as good as it ever was.
>
> All they want is to build back what they already had.
Codes have changed since they built the tower. Any structure that is being replaced anywhere has to comply with codes and zoning.
LA has a dozen AM stations that fully cover the market under licensed facilities. There are mor than that number of class B FMs, and many AMs that could operate with full market coverage if they went non directional day and night.
KNX and KFWB both cover the market, and are much better staffed news stations. KFI is a talker with a nice news service, but nowhere near the resources of the Infinity news stations. Plus, the Infinity stations have the TV resources of CBS, while KFI is simply a Fox radio news affiliate, not an owned station.
WWL in New Orleans is the only licensed station that truly covers the whole N.O. metro. While 90, 940 and a few others would cover it all if run non-directional, they are probably not set up to do this immediately or by remote control. So the New Orleans example is very different.
> vital importance of communications in a time of emergency.
> KFI is a full-power, full service station that provides a
> valuable service these times. Restoring the signal should be
> of the utmost importance and permit delays should be deemed
> unacceptable for public safety reasons if for no other.
It is on the air with 25 kw and the metro area signal is as good as it ever was.
>
> All they want is to build back what they already had.
Codes have changed since they built the tower. Any structure that is being replaced anywhere has to comply with codes and zoning.
LA has a dozen AM stations that fully cover the market under licensed facilities. There are mor than that number of class B FMs, and many AMs that could operate with full market coverage if they went non directional day and night.
KNX and KFWB both cover the market, and are much better staffed news stations. KFI is a talker with a nice news service, but nowhere near the resources of the Infinity news stations. Plus, the Infinity stations have the TV resources of CBS, while KFI is simply a Fox radio news affiliate, not an owned station.
WWL in New Orleans is the only licensed station that truly covers the whole N.O. metro. While 90, 940 and a few others would cover it all if run non-directional, they are probably not set up to do this immediately or by remote control. So the New Orleans example is very different.
David,
You have the trees in absolute focus, however you can't see the forest with a pair of binoculars. As usual your facts are impeccably correct, your takeaway from them, not so much.
KFI's signal is not the same in the coverage area - I work in downtown LA and the buidlings cause a tremendous amount of interference now where they had not previously. In an earthquake or terrorism event, that could mean the difference between life and death. Also KFI is a regional signal that not only extends beyond the LA Metro, but is valued and relied upon in areas far beyond the metro. Ask the people in the High Desert how much they value KFI and KFI is in their community (reference ohn and Ken protesting the release of sex offenders in their community)
As far as codes go, sorry, lives are more important than codes. There is a lot at stake here. The fact of the matter is, the tower will be rebuit and its only government bureacracy that stands in the way.
KFI is also more unique than many of the other signals you mentioned because it is not near them. What if something happens to all of the signals on Mt. Wilson? The number of stations servicing the area would drop enormously. You say it can't happen? Could 9/11?, could Katrina?, could a future nuclear event, or even an earthquake?
And lastly, the owner of the station and their resources is irrelevant. Frequencies are not awarded by how many people are in the newsdepartment. However, KFI does have all of the resources of both CC and Fox at its disposal, I'm sure they can handle a crises just fine, as they always have.
> > The events of the past week should indicate to everyone
> the
> > vital importance of communications in a time of emergency.
>
> > KFI is a full-power, full service station that provides a
> > valuable service these times. Restoring the signal should
> be
> > of the utmost importance and permit delays should be
> deemed
> > unacceptable for public safety reasons if for no other.
>
> It is on the air with 25 kw and the metro area signal is as
> good as it ever was.
> >
> > All they want is to build back what they already had.
>
> Codes have changed since they built the tower. Any structure
> that is being replaced anywhere has to comply with codes and
> zoning.
>
> LA has a dozen AM stations that fully cover the market under
> licensed facilities. There are mor than that number of class
> B FMs, and many AMs that could operate with full market
> coverage if they went non directional day and night.
>
> KNX and KFWB both cover the market, and are much better
> staffed news stations. KFI is a talker with a nice news
> service, but nowhere near the resources of the Infinity news
> stations. Plus, the Infinity stations have the TV resources
> of CBS, while KFI is simply a Fox radio news affiliate, not
> an owned station.
>
> WWL in New Orleans is the only licensed station that truly
> covers the whole N.O. metro. While 90, 940 and a few others
> would cover it all if run non-directional, they are probably
> not set up to do this immediately or by remote control. So
> the New Orleans example is very different.
>
You have the trees in absolute focus, however you can't see the forest with a pair of binoculars. As usual your facts are impeccably correct, your takeaway from them, not so much.
KFI's signal is not the same in the coverage area - I work in downtown LA and the buidlings cause a tremendous amount of interference now where they had not previously. In an earthquake or terrorism event, that could mean the difference between life and death. Also KFI is a regional signal that not only extends beyond the LA Metro, but is valued and relied upon in areas far beyond the metro. Ask the people in the High Desert how much they value KFI and KFI is in their community (reference ohn and Ken protesting the release of sex offenders in their community)
As far as codes go, sorry, lives are more important than codes. There is a lot at stake here. The fact of the matter is, the tower will be rebuit and its only government bureacracy that stands in the way.
KFI is also more unique than many of the other signals you mentioned because it is not near them. What if something happens to all of the signals on Mt. Wilson? The number of stations servicing the area would drop enormously. You say it can't happen? Could 9/11?, could Katrina?, could a future nuclear event, or even an earthquake?
And lastly, the owner of the station and their resources is irrelevant. Frequencies are not awarded by how many people are in the newsdepartment. However, KFI does have all of the resources of both CC and Fox at its disposal, I'm sure they can handle a crises just fine, as they always have.
> > The events of the past week should indicate to everyone
> the
> > vital importance of communications in a time of emergency.
>
> > KFI is a full-power, full service station that provides a
> > valuable service these times. Restoring the signal should
> be
> > of the utmost importance and permit delays should be
> deemed
> > unacceptable for public safety reasons if for no other.
>
> It is on the air with 25 kw and the metro area signal is as
> good as it ever was.
> >
> > All they want is to build back what they already had.
>
> Codes have changed since they built the tower. Any structure
> that is being replaced anywhere has to comply with codes and
> zoning.
>
> LA has a dozen AM stations that fully cover the market under
> licensed facilities. There are mor than that number of class
> B FMs, and many AMs that could operate with full market
> coverage if they went non directional day and night.
>
> KNX and KFWB both cover the market, and are much better
> staffed news stations. KFI is a talker with a nice news
> service, but nowhere near the resources of the Infinity news
> stations. Plus, the Infinity stations have the TV resources
> of CBS, while KFI is simply a Fox radio news affiliate, not
> an owned station.
>
> WWL in New Orleans is the only licensed station that truly
> covers the whole N.O. metro. While 90, 940 and a few others
> would cover it all if run non-directional, they are probably
> not set up to do this immediately or by remote control. So
> the New Orleans example is very different.
>
Re: KFI Tower / -
> ................................................................................................................................................................And lastly, ........................................................................................................................................................
Whew!
There are now comercial/industrial buildings in close proximity to the KFI(AM) tower spot. The old tower was grandfathered [for zoning purposes] from about the late 1940's when only oranges were in close proximity to it. The Fullerton municipal airport is even older than the tower and relatively close. There is an avation visibility problem regarding the tower which of course has led to this discussion and those visiting pilots are especially vulnerable. Perhaps strobe lights may help but that's a big blight. If another pilot looses his/her life ... Well what then?
Alternatives anybody?
I'll start;
1) Move the stick to Mr. C. Flipper's yard near the swimming pool and add salt.
> ................................................................................................................................................................And lastly, ........................................................................................................................................................
Whew!
There are now comercial/industrial buildings in close proximity to the KFI(AM) tower spot. The old tower was grandfathered [for zoning purposes] from about the late 1940's when only oranges were in close proximity to it. The Fullerton municipal airport is even older than the tower and relatively close. There is an avation visibility problem regarding the tower which of course has led to this discussion and those visiting pilots are especially vulnerable. Perhaps strobe lights may help but that's a big blight. If another pilot looses his/her life ... Well what then?
Alternatives anybody?
I'll start;
1) Move the stick to Mr. C. Flipper's yard near the swimming pool and add salt.
I
ibezdechi
Guest
> KNX and KFWB both cover the market, and are much better
> staffed news stations. KFI is a talker with a nice news
> service, but nowhere near the resources of the Infinity news
> stations. Plus, the Infinity stations have the TV resources
> of CBS, while KFI is simply a Fox radio news affiliate, not
> an owned station.
IMHO, KFI has way better news than rip-and-read KNX and KFWB.
KNX is really watered down these days.
> staffed news stations. KFI is a talker with a nice news
> service, but nowhere near the resources of the Infinity news
> stations. Plus, the Infinity stations have the TV resources
> of CBS, while KFI is simply a Fox radio news affiliate, not
> an owned station.
IMHO, KFI has way better news than rip-and-read KNX and KFWB.
KNX is really watered down these days.
I
ibezdechi
Guest
Re: KFI Tower / -
> relatively close. There is an avation visibility problem
> regarding the tower which of course has led to this
> discussion and those visiting pilots are especially
> vulnerable. Perhaps strobe lights may help but that's a
> big blight. If another pilot looses his/her life ... Well
> what then?
One more blight in L.A.??? L.A. is a one big blight!
If a pilot is so blind that he can't see strobe lights and that there is an obstruction...he doesn't deserve to fly.
> relatively close. There is an avation visibility problem
> regarding the tower which of course has led to this
> discussion and those visiting pilots are especially
> vulnerable. Perhaps strobe lights may help but that's a
> big blight. If another pilot looses his/her life ... Well
> what then?
One more blight in L.A.??? L.A. is a one big blight!
If a pilot is so blind that he can't see strobe lights and that there is an obstruction...he doesn't deserve to fly.
> KFI's signal is not the same in the coverage area - I work
> in downtown LA and the buidlings cause a tremendous amount
> of interference now where they had not previously. In an
> earthquake or terrorism event, that could mean the
> difference between life and death.
I suspect this is more the ongoing decay of AM conditions due to RFI and such. Going form 50 kw to 25 is only a tiny difference (25% in lay terms) and in downtown, you probably went from 50 mv/m or better to 40 to 45 mv/m at that distance. Huge signal, but there are several AMs in LA with far better signals in downtown than KFI... far, far better.
> Also KFI is a regional
> signal that not only extends beyond the LA Metro, but is
> valued and relied upon in areas far beyond the metro.
So is KNX. And there are a variety of other very strong signals in LA in the event of an emergency that would cover essentially the same areas.
> Ask
> the people in the High Desert how much they value KFI and
> KFI is in their community (reference ohn and Ken protesting
> the release of sex offenders in their community)
I was in victorvill last night, and KFI, as usual, was totally trashed by the Mexican staitons in the skywave/groundwave cancelation zone. Same on KNX. The two clears in LA have huge cancellation and interference about 75 to 100 miles from their sites, making night usage impossible.
>
> As far as codes go, sorry, lives are more important than
> codes. There is a lot at stake here. The fact of the matter
> is, the tower will be rebuit and its only government
> bureacracy that stands in the way.
Codes protect people 365 days a year. With dozens of viable radio staitons in LA, one can not violate codes to make one of them happy. The old tower was from the 40's.
>
> KFI is also more unique than many of the other signals you
> mentioned because it is not near them.
AMs are well distributed throughout the market, with the big ones ranging form 710 in Van Nuys, 870 in Glendale, a bunch in the SG Valley (1110, 570, 1150, 1020) one near downtown, 980, one in East LA, 1540, 3 on La cienagea (930, 790, 1330), etc. The problem is that all are on soft, liquefaction zones and the bigger the tower, the faster it will come down in a quake.
> What if something
> happens to all of the signals on Mt. Wilson? The number of
> stations servicing the area would drop enormously.
You still have all the AMs and a whole bunch of big FMs that are not there... Flint Peak, Verdugo, Hollywood hills signals tha tcover the market. And you have several very good As in the market, too.
> You say
> it can't happen? Could 9/11?, could Katrina?, could a future
> nuclear event, or even an earthquake?
Stations are plentiful and spread out. KFI is not unique.
>
> And lastly, the owner of the station and their resources is
> irrelevant. Frequencies are not awarded by how many people
> are in the newsdepartment. However, KFI does have all of the
> resources of both CC and Fox at its disposal, I'm sure they
> can handle a crises just fine, as they always have.
A 700 foot AM tower on a piece of liquefaction zone land will come down in seconds. Look at KGO in the SF quake... of KKHJ in the Northridge one (a few seconds more an the damage would have been catastrophic). KFI has no reason to be allowed to disobey codes for the unlikely event it was the only radio station left in LA. (Oh, thier new studios are also on a horrible liquefaction zone).
>
>
> > > The events of the past week should indicate to everyone
> > the
> > > vital importance of communications in a time of
> emergency.
> >
> > > KFI is a full-power, full service station that provides
> a
> > > valuable service these times. Restoring the signal
> should
> > be
> > > of the utmost importance and permit delays should be
> > deemed
> > > unacceptable for public safety reasons if for no other.
> >
> > It is on the air with 25 kw and the metro area signal is
> as
> > good as it ever was.
> > >
> > > All they want is to build back what they already had.
> >
> > Codes have changed since they built the tower. Any
> structure
> > that is being replaced anywhere has to comply with codes
> and
> > zoning.
> >
> > LA has a dozen AM stations that fully cover the market
> under
> > licensed facilities. There are mor than that number of
> class
> > B FMs, and many AMs that could operate with full market
> > coverage if they went non directional day and night.
> >
> > KNX and KFWB both cover the market, and are much better
> > staffed news stations. KFI is a talker with a nice news
> > service, but nowhere near the resources of the Infinity
> news
> > stations. Plus, the Infinity stations have the TV
> resources
> > of CBS, while KFI is simply a Fox radio news affiliate,
> not
> > an owned station.
> >
> > WWL in New Orleans is the only licensed station that truly
>
> > covers the whole N.O. metro. While 90, 940 and a few
> others
> > would cover it all if run non-directional, they are
> probably
> > not set up to do this immediately or by remote control. So
>
> > the New Orleans example is very different.
> >
>
> in downtown LA and the buidlings cause a tremendous amount
> of interference now where they had not previously. In an
> earthquake or terrorism event, that could mean the
> difference between life and death.
I suspect this is more the ongoing decay of AM conditions due to RFI and such. Going form 50 kw to 25 is only a tiny difference (25% in lay terms) and in downtown, you probably went from 50 mv/m or better to 40 to 45 mv/m at that distance. Huge signal, but there are several AMs in LA with far better signals in downtown than KFI... far, far better.
> Also KFI is a regional
> signal that not only extends beyond the LA Metro, but is
> valued and relied upon in areas far beyond the metro.
So is KNX. And there are a variety of other very strong signals in LA in the event of an emergency that would cover essentially the same areas.
> Ask
> the people in the High Desert how much they value KFI and
> KFI is in their community (reference ohn and Ken protesting
> the release of sex offenders in their community)
I was in victorvill last night, and KFI, as usual, was totally trashed by the Mexican staitons in the skywave/groundwave cancelation zone. Same on KNX. The two clears in LA have huge cancellation and interference about 75 to 100 miles from their sites, making night usage impossible.
>
> As far as codes go, sorry, lives are more important than
> codes. There is a lot at stake here. The fact of the matter
> is, the tower will be rebuit and its only government
> bureacracy that stands in the way.
Codes protect people 365 days a year. With dozens of viable radio staitons in LA, one can not violate codes to make one of them happy. The old tower was from the 40's.
>
> KFI is also more unique than many of the other signals you
> mentioned because it is not near them.
AMs are well distributed throughout the market, with the big ones ranging form 710 in Van Nuys, 870 in Glendale, a bunch in the SG Valley (1110, 570, 1150, 1020) one near downtown, 980, one in East LA, 1540, 3 on La cienagea (930, 790, 1330), etc. The problem is that all are on soft, liquefaction zones and the bigger the tower, the faster it will come down in a quake.
> What if something
> happens to all of the signals on Mt. Wilson? The number of
> stations servicing the area would drop enormously.
You still have all the AMs and a whole bunch of big FMs that are not there... Flint Peak, Verdugo, Hollywood hills signals tha tcover the market. And you have several very good As in the market, too.
> You say
> it can't happen? Could 9/11?, could Katrina?, could a future
> nuclear event, or even an earthquake?
Stations are plentiful and spread out. KFI is not unique.
>
> And lastly, the owner of the station and their resources is
> irrelevant. Frequencies are not awarded by how many people
> are in the newsdepartment. However, KFI does have all of the
> resources of both CC and Fox at its disposal, I'm sure they
> can handle a crises just fine, as they always have.
A 700 foot AM tower on a piece of liquefaction zone land will come down in seconds. Look at KGO in the SF quake... of KKHJ in the Northridge one (a few seconds more an the damage would have been catastrophic). KFI has no reason to be allowed to disobey codes for the unlikely event it was the only radio station left in LA. (Oh, thier new studios are also on a horrible liquefaction zone).
>
>
> > > The events of the past week should indicate to everyone
> > the
> > > vital importance of communications in a time of
> emergency.
> >
> > > KFI is a full-power, full service station that provides
> a
> > > valuable service these times. Restoring the signal
> should
> > be
> > > of the utmost importance and permit delays should be
> > deemed
> > > unacceptable for public safety reasons if for no other.
> >
> > It is on the air with 25 kw and the metro area signal is
> as
> > good as it ever was.
> > >
> > > All they want is to build back what they already had.
> >
> > Codes have changed since they built the tower. Any
> structure
> > that is being replaced anywhere has to comply with codes
> and
> > zoning.
> >
> > LA has a dozen AM stations that fully cover the market
> under
> > licensed facilities. There are mor than that number of
> class
> > B FMs, and many AMs that could operate with full market
> > coverage if they went non directional day and night.
> >
> > KNX and KFWB both cover the market, and are much better
> > staffed news stations. KFI is a talker with a nice news
> > service, but nowhere near the resources of the Infinity
> news
> > stations. Plus, the Infinity stations have the TV
> resources
> > of CBS, while KFI is simply a Fox radio news affiliate,
> not
> > an owned station.
> >
> > WWL in New Orleans is the only licensed station that truly
>
> > covers the whole N.O. metro. While 90, 940 and a few
> others
> > would cover it all if run non-directional, they are
> probably
> > not set up to do this immediately or by remote control. So
>
> > the New Orleans example is very different.
> >
>
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> And since the signal has dropped, reception has dropped in
> san diego, and I believe a drop in arbi's. I used to tune in
> at 5am every morning.. no more! Can't receive it
>
Since KFI does not sell or generate revenue in SD, I doubt they are concerned.
In fact, however, the SD ratings show kfi higher than the same months in 2004... by about 20%.
> And since the signal has dropped, reception has dropped in
> san diego, and I believe a drop in arbi's. I used to tune in
> at 5am every morning.. no more! Can't receive it
>
Since KFI does not sell or generate revenue in SD, I doubt they are concerned.
In fact, however, the SD ratings show kfi higher than the same months in 2004... by about 20%.
Z
zumahans1
Guest
KFI? Does that stil stand for Keeping Fascists Ignorant?
> The events of the past week should indicate to everyone the
> vital importance of communications in a time of emergency.
> KFI is a full-power, full service station
You're smoking crack if you think KFI is a fullservice radio station.
They do one thing very well: appeal to right wing, angry white people.
They serve that audience very well. But do not for a moment think that they speak to the full market.
KFI is as full service as KPFK, if KPFK ran traffic reports.
> The events of the past week should indicate to everyone the
> vital importance of communications in a time of emergency.
> KFI is a full-power, full service station
You're smoking crack if you think KFI is a fullservice radio station.
They do one thing very well: appeal to right wing, angry white people.
They serve that audience very well. But do not for a moment think that they speak to the full market.
KFI is as full service as KPFK, if KPFK ran traffic reports.
Re: KFI Tower / -
Actually, I have it on good authority that they ARE concerned. San Diego may not be in the license area, but plenty of advertisers in the LA Metro buy time based upon penetration to the south. Don't for one minute believe it ain't so.
- Doc
> > And since the signal has dropped, reception has dropped in
>
> > san diego, and I believe a drop in arbi's. I used to tune
> in
> > at 5am every morning.. no more! Can't receive it
> >
>
> Since KFI does not sell or generate revenue in SD, I doubt
> they are concerned.
>
> In fact, however, the SD ratings show kfi higher than the
> same months in 2004... by about 20%.
>
Actually, I have it on good authority that they ARE concerned. San Diego may not be in the license area, but plenty of advertisers in the LA Metro buy time based upon penetration to the south. Don't for one minute believe it ain't so.
- Doc
> > And since the signal has dropped, reception has dropped in
>
> > san diego, and I believe a drop in arbi's. I used to tune
> in
> > at 5am every morning.. no more! Can't receive it
> >
>
> Since KFI does not sell or generate revenue in SD, I doubt
> they are concerned.
>
> In fact, however, the SD ratings show kfi higher than the
> same months in 2004... by about 20%.
>
K
KMRichards
Guest
Re: KFI? Does that stil stand for Keeping Fascists Ignorant?
> > The events of the past week should indicate to everyone
> the
> > vital importance of communications in a time of emergency.
>
> > KFI is a full-power, full service station
>
>
> You're smoking crack if you think KFI is a fullservice radio
> station.
>
> They do one thing very well: appeal to right wing, angry
> white people.
>
> They serve that audience very well. But do not for a moment
> think that they speak to the full market.
>
> KFI is as full service as KPFK, if KPFK ran traffic reports.
This is becoming borderline offensive.
Hans, you are twisting this thread into a political discussion rather than one about the progress in rebuilding KFI's tower.
As you well know, politics are discussed on the Off The Air board, not here.
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> > The events of the past week should indicate to everyone
> the
> > vital importance of communications in a time of emergency.
>
> > KFI is a full-power, full service station
>
>
> You're smoking crack if you think KFI is a fullservice radio
> station.
>
> They do one thing very well: appeal to right wing, angry
> white people.
>
> They serve that audience very well. But do not for a moment
> think that they speak to the full market.
>
> KFI is as full service as KPFK, if KPFK ran traffic reports.
This is becoming borderline offensive.
Hans, you are twisting this thread into a political discussion rather than one about the progress in rebuilding KFI's tower.
As you well know, politics are discussed on the Off The Air board, not here.
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drtylawndre
Guest
Re: KFI what wrong with radio that appeals to europeans
>
> They do one thing very well: appeal to right wing, angry
> white people.
what's wrong with a radio station that appeals to white people(european?)...we have those that appeal to browns, blacks, yellows, and reds(e.g. 660AM in NM)
Radio...we invented it after all, along with the phonograph, the transister, tape recorder, etc etc
>
> They do one thing very well: appeal to right wing, angry
> white people.
what's wrong with a radio station that appeals to white people(european?)...we have those that appeal to browns, blacks, yellows, and reds(e.g. 660AM in NM)
Radio...we invented it after all, along with the phonograph, the transister, tape recorder, etc etc
Re: KFI? Does that stil stand for Keeping Fascists Ignorant?
> > The events of the past week should indicate to everyone
> the
> > vital importance of communications in a time of emergency.
>
> > KFI is a full-power, full service station
>
>
> You're smoking crack if you think KFI is a fullservice radio
> station.
>
> They do one thing very well: appeal to right wing, angry
> white people.
>
> They serve that audience very well. But do not for a moment
> think that they speak to the full market.
>
> KFI is as full service as KPFK, if KPFK ran traffic reports.
>
KFI was the #2 billing station in LA in 2004 and the #4 biller in the U.S (up from #8 the previous year). That's what it's all about! If KFI was the fringe extremist station you paint it as they wouldn't be nearly as successful in ratings or revenue.
> > The events of the past week should indicate to everyone
> the
> > vital importance of communications in a time of emergency.
>
> > KFI is a full-power, full service station
>
>
> You're smoking crack if you think KFI is a fullservice radio
> station.
>
> They do one thing very well: appeal to right wing, angry
> white people.
>
> They serve that audience very well. But do not for a moment
> think that they speak to the full market.
>
> KFI is as full service as KPFK, if KPFK ran traffic reports.
>
KFI was the #2 billing station in LA in 2004 and the #4 biller in the U.S (up from #8 the previous year). That's what it's all about! If KFI was the fringe extremist station you paint it as they wouldn't be nearly as successful in ratings or revenue.
Re: KFI Tower / -
> Actually, I have it on good authority that they ARE
> concerned. San Diego may not be in the license area, but
> plenty of advertisers in the LA Metro buy time based upon
> penetration to the south. Don't for one minute believe it
> ain't so.
>
> - Doc
>
> > > And since the signal has dropped, reception has dropped
> in
> >
> > > san diego, and I believe a drop in arbi's. I used to
> tune
> > in
> > > at 5am every morning.. no more! Can't receive it
> > >
> >
> > Since KFI does not sell or generate revenue in SD, I doubt
>
> > they are concerned.
> >
> > In fact, however, the SD ratings show kfi higher than the
> > same months in 2004... by about 20%.
> >
>
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> Actually, I have it on good authority that they ARE
> concerned. San Diego may not be in the license area, but
> plenty of advertisers in the LA Metro buy time based upon
> penetration to the south. Don't for one minute believe it
> ain't so.
>
> - Doc
>
> > > And since the signal has dropped, reception has dropped
> in
> >
> > > san diego, and I believe a drop in arbi's. I used to
> tune
> > in
> > > at 5am every morning.. no more! Can't receive it
> > >
> >
> > Since KFI does not sell or generate revenue in SD, I doubt
>
> > they are concerned.
> >
> > In fact, however, the SD ratings show kfi higher than the
> > same months in 2004... by about 20%.
> >
>
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KMRichards
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Re: KFI Tower / -
> > Actually, I have it on good authority that they ARE
> > concerned. San Diego may not be in the license area, but
> > plenty of advertisers in the LA Metro buy time based upon
> > penetration to the south. Don't for one minute believe it
> > ain't so.
> >
> > - Doc
> >
> > > > And since the signal has dropped, reception has
> dropped
> > in
> > >
> > > > san diego, and I believe a drop in arbi's. I used to
> > tune
> > > in
> > > > at 5am every morning.. no more! Can't receive it
> > > >
> > >
> > > Since KFI does not sell or generate revenue in SD, I
> doubt
> >
> > > they are concerned.
> > >
> > > In fact, however, the SD ratings show kfi higher than
> the
> > > same months in 2004... by about 20%.
> > >
> >
>
>
> Thank you... I've noticed lately that Gleason types ALOT of
> nonsense and your above post helps that theory.
Oh, I see.
The radio professional who can cite actual facts and numbers is "nonsense" and someone who "has it on good authority" but cannot prove what he is saying has credibility.
Bzzzzzt.
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> > Actually, I have it on good authority that they ARE
> > concerned. San Diego may not be in the license area, but
> > plenty of advertisers in the LA Metro buy time based upon
> > penetration to the south. Don't for one minute believe it
> > ain't so.
> >
> > - Doc
> >
> > > > And since the signal has dropped, reception has
> dropped
> > in
> > >
> > > > san diego, and I believe a drop in arbi's. I used to
> > tune
> > > in
> > > > at 5am every morning.. no more! Can't receive it
> > > >
> > >
> > > Since KFI does not sell or generate revenue in SD, I
> doubt
> >
> > > they are concerned.
> > >
> > > In fact, however, the SD ratings show kfi higher than
> the
> > > same months in 2004... by about 20%.
> > >
> >
>
>
> Thank you... I've noticed lately that Gleason types ALOT of
> nonsense and your above post helps that theory.
Oh, I see.
The radio professional who can cite actual facts and numbers is "nonsense" and someone who "has it on good authority" but cannot prove what he is saying has credibility.
Bzzzzzt.
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Re: KFI Tower / -
>
> Thank you... I've noticed lately that Gleason types ALOT of
> nonsense and your above post helps that theory.
>
25 kw is not half the signal strength... it is 75%. Since the nubmers in the SD Arbitron are up (bay as much as 20% for month to month comparisons) for the same periods last year, why would they be worrrying about something that happened 8 months ago that is having no effect on the ratings at all?
The only reason any station in LA wants 50 kw is to put a big signal, above the noside level, over the metro.
KFI,by the way, considered dropping to today's equivalent of a 1-B to allow a sister station in Atlanta, also on 640, to upgrade. In other words, they really considered reducing the KFI signal or directionalizing it to benefit another market.
>
> Thank you... I've noticed lately that Gleason types ALOT of
> nonsense and your above post helps that theory.
>
25 kw is not half the signal strength... it is 75%. Since the nubmers in the SD Arbitron are up (bay as much as 20% for month to month comparisons) for the same periods last year, why would they be worrrying about something that happened 8 months ago that is having no effect on the ratings at all?
The only reason any station in LA wants 50 kw is to put a big signal, above the noside level, over the metro.
KFI,by the way, considered dropping to today's equivalent of a 1-B to allow a sister station in Atlanta, also on 640, to upgrade. In other words, they really considered reducing the KFI signal or directionalizing it to benefit another market.
Re: KFI
> >
> > They do one thing very well: appeal to right wing, angry
> > white people.
>
>
>
> what's wrong with a radio station that appeals to white
> people(european?)...we have those that appeal to browns,
> blacks, yellows, and reds(e.g. 660AM in NM)
KFI does not appeal to "white people." It appeals to conservatives.
15% of KFI's listeners are Hispanic and 4% are Black. So we are talking about over 200,000 non-"whites" in the KFI audience.
The programming appeals to an ideology, not a race or ethnic group.
By the way, a significant percentage of Hispanics are also white... the Census Bureau included them all in "white" until 1980. The correct term is "non-Hispanic whites" since that shows what you are talking about specifically.
Caucasians, by the way, did not come from Europe anyway.
>
>
> Radio...we invented it after all, along with the phonograph,
> the transister, tape recorder, etc etc
"We" meaning whom?
> >
> > They do one thing very well: appeal to right wing, angry
> > white people.
>
>
>
> what's wrong with a radio station that appeals to white
> people(european?)...we have those that appeal to browns,
> blacks, yellows, and reds(e.g. 660AM in NM)
KFI does not appeal to "white people." It appeals to conservatives.
15% of KFI's listeners are Hispanic and 4% are Black. So we are talking about over 200,000 non-"whites" in the KFI audience.
The programming appeals to an ideology, not a race or ethnic group.
By the way, a significant percentage of Hispanics are also white... the Census Bureau included them all in "white" until 1980. The correct term is "non-Hispanic whites" since that shows what you are talking about specifically.
Caucasians, by the way, did not come from Europe anyway.
>
>
> Radio...we invented it after all, along with the phonograph,
> the transister, tape recorder, etc etc
"We" meaning whom?
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